WhazUp Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, CAFC Nick said: Agreed. Considering the vocals for all of the other songs that made the final cut for CD are identical to these, there’s nothing to suggest that Atlas, Hard School, Perhaps and arguably even State of Grace aren’t final. With State of Grace it definitely sounds like scratch vocals - some of the pronunciation of some of the words are a bit hesitant, and some are just completely pure syllabic and not complete words, sort of like Axl has the melody all figured out but was working out what words would have the best effect there Hard School and Atlas are both finished sounding, moreso than State of Grace - and both of those songs as a whole instrumentally sound a lot more finished as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, GnR Chris said: Again, this is patently false. Stop perpetuating lies. The songs weren't "cast aside." There were songs specifically held over for a follow-up or third album to be released in close succession. Obviously that didn't happen. But not everything left off Chinese was considered B-side. Considering the state of some of the ideas on the disks, it is very possible many of them are simply ideas being developed but at that point weren't developed enough to be already on a tracklist for any follow ups. Any of them could either have been continued to be worked on and slated for the future albums, or cast aside at a future time post-Village Session tracking so I think you both are right in ways. Some of them can be considered future disk demos, some cast asides, etc. We just don't know specifics because the band has only released one album and not much information otherwise other than the tracks Axl talked about during the Forum chats Edited January 4, 2020 by WhazUp 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live Like a Suicide Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 8 hours ago, GnR Chris said: I agree in theory, but Beta is out there arguing with fans in comment threads on Instagram about Stephanie Seymour and Axl's relationship from decades ago. She was belittling another GNR fan on Instagram who has spend thousands of dollars, bought tons of merch (including Locked and Loaded box set at original price), and traveled all over the world to see GNR. Professionalism isn't something Beta or her kid are known for. I tried for years giving them the benefit of the doubt. Fuck that. Of course. If you include the rest of my comment, you will see i disagree with some of TB's practices too. As far as i'm concerned, TB sucks ass at marketing and promotions, particularly regarding community engagement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, GnR Chris said: Again, this is patently false. Stop perpetuating lies. The songs weren't "cast aside." There were songs specifically held over for a follow-up or third album to be released in close succession. Obviously that didn't happen. But not everything left off Chinese was considered B-side. sounds pretty authoritative if not misleading at best axl had a few instrumentals and four sub par songs left off CD not the 80 songs in the bank that him and his moochers supported him in proclaiming - it was more of an empty promise Edited January 5, 2020 by double talkin jive mfkr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAFC Nick Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 12 hours ago, Silent Jay said: The "mananah naah naaah" parts during State of Grace are kinda hard to decipher, don't you think? Oh absolutely, but I wonder if it’s more of a poor mix thing rather than a non-finalised vocals thing. I can’t name any new-GNR song where we have heard demo vocals that changed when compared to CD (and don’t say TIL cos that remix was after the album! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAC Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 59 minutes ago, CAFC Nick said: Oh absolutely, but I wonder if it’s more of a poor mix thing rather than a non-finalised vocals thing. I can’t name any new-GNR song where we have heard demo vocals that changed when compared to CD (and don’t say TIL cos that remix was after the album! ) He slightly changed the lyrics of "better" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jw224 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 30 minutes ago, ZODIAC said: He slightly changed the lyrics of "better" That was more editing a part out rather than actually adding anything new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotsfired cro Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 any album released under GNR moniker with Slash on it WON'T have Frank on it. Take my word for that. will Fortus remain the sole post UYI era memeber left behind, I doubt but we will see. Fact, as long as they tour with Frank - they are nowhere near finished or near the studio. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 43 minutes ago, shotsfired cro said: any album released under GNR moniker with Slash on it WON'T have Frank on it. Take my word for that. will Fortus remain the sole post UYI era memeber left behind, I doubt but we will see. Fact, as long as they tour with Frank - they are nowhere near finished or near the studio. But yet Frank was on SOYL.... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Coma16 said: But yet Frank was on SOYL.... was he or not ? pretty inconclusive Edited January 5, 2020 by double talkin jive mfkr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, double talkin jive mfkr said: was he or not ? pretty inconclusive You should be able to tell for yourself, right? If the drumming is great, it should be Steven. If it's terrible, it should be Frank, right? At least that's what many people seem to claim. So.... You should be able to tell us who it is based on the quality of drumming, right? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAFC Nick Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 hours ago, ZODIAC said: He slightly changed the lyrics of "better" Don’t forget the slight adaptations to Riad and The Blues. I’m talking about fundamental changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, RussTCB said: You should be able to tell for yourself, right? If the drumming is great, it should be Steven. If it's terrible, it should be Frank, right? At least that's what many people seem to claim. So.... You should be able to tell us who it is based on the quality of drumming, right? sort of - its a bit of a mystery the first part does not sound like steven, sounds clumsy the fills in some parts sound like him then the chorus sounds like frank or someone else not steven but to answer your question yes frank sucks Edited January 5, 2020 by double talkin jive mfkr 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAFC Nick Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, RussTCB said: You should be able to tell for yourself, right? If the drumming is great, it should be Steven. If it's terrible, it should be Frank, right? At least that's what many people seem to claim. So.... You should be able to tell us who it is based on the quality of drumming, right? Not the best source for this one by any means, but Steven Adler says that wasn’t his drumming on the officially released SOYL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 hours ago, CAFC Nick said: Not the best source for this one by any means, but Steven Adler says that wasn’t his drumming on the officially released SOYL. Oh, I know. That's beside my point though. It goes back to what @Gordon Comstock and I were talking about last week: a lot of people seem to hate certain members of GNR no matter what. Frank is terrible to some people no matter what. Steven and / or Matt are the greatest ever to some people no matter what. So..... Shouldn't someone be able to tell the difference between Frank and these other two amazing drummers easily without having confirmation of who's actually playing on the track? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAFC Nick Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 hours ago, RussTCB said: Oh, I know. That's beside my point though. It goes back to what @Gordon Comstock and I were talking about last week: a lot of people seem to hate certain members of GNR no matter what. Frank is terrible to some people no matter what. Steven and / or Matt are the greatest ever to some people no matter what. So..... Shouldn't someone be able to tell the difference between Frank and these other two amazing drummers easily without having confirmation of who's actually playing on the track? Yeah good point! I can’t tell either way. Personally I’ve never been one for going “this person is better than that” (except for DJ Ashba ). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 hours ago, RussTCB said: Oh, I know. That's beside my point though. It goes back to what @Gordon Comstock and I were talking about last week: a lot of people seem to hate certain members of GNR no matter what. Frank is terrible to some people no matter what. Steven and / or Matt are the greatest ever to some people no matter what. So..... Shouldn't someone be able to tell the difference between Frank and these other two amazing drummers easily without having confirmation of who's actually playing on the track? i supported frank during the nu phase however you bring slash and duff back in the picture and you need an upgrade to the original classic members or even brain who can do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, CAFC Nick said: Yeah good point! I can’t tell either way. Personally I’ve never been one for going “this person is better than that” (except for DJ Ashba ). Haha, same here. Including and especially DJ. 3 minutes ago, double talkin jive mfkr said: i supported frank during the nu phase however you bring slash and duff back in the picture and you need an upgrade to the original classic members or even brain who can do it You're missing the point. If Frank is such a worse drummer than Steven or Matt, you should be able to tell us for certain if he's playing on SOYL without someone telling you, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadcaplaughs Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I just had a chance to listen to Eddie Trunk and Rick's interview. Listening to those two virgins try to out yell each other was one of the saddest things I've seen in the GN'R community in some time (and we do not have a shortage of sad going ons around here). In all seriousness though... -Rick comes across like some creepy redneck (and I am in NO WAY saying he is; just how he comes across in the interview). The parts where he was trying to rant and rave about song titles from the leaks, Team Brazil, and the "Mac Daddy" to an audience that had no idea what the hell he was talking about cracked me up. Even Trunk had to tell him to shut up. Hell, Trunk could barely contain his derision for Rick after he hung up. I understand Rick's idea was to make it public that he did not leak any audio, and call me crazy, but I believe him, but I'm guessing he has not retained legal counsel. Any lawyer would have told him to just keep his mouth shut until this blows over. -Then there's Trunk. The dude dick swings like he's some kind of music business professor - trying to lecture Rick about who owns songs - yet does not seem to understand that basic concept that the $150,000.00 per song UMG seeks are statutory copyright damages. Eddie thinks the record label tried to directly sell ownership of unreleased Guns N' Roses songs to Rick Dunsford. Trunk should be banned from talking about music ever again for having an idea that stupid. Hell, maybe instead of ranting and raving like a 16 year old girl about how he left a GN'R concert, he should read one of those books on the basics of the music business. To give credit to Trunk, I do not think he sees himself as a celebrity per se. I do believe he'd be the first person to tell you he's just a random dude whose persistence paid off. To me, his error seems to be thinking the people he interviews (especially the GN'R guys) are his personal friends. I give Trunk complete credit for scoring some great GN'R interviews; particularly with Axl. I still listen to that 2006 interview from time to time. But Trunk needs to understand that his guests come to his show to promote products and control their narratives. Just look at the Axl interviews. When Axl came to the radio station in 2006, it was on the eve of Guns n' Roses' first tour since 2002; a tour that resulted in two riots, was cancelled prematurely, and ended with Axl looking like a complete loose cannon unable to move on from the wrongs of Duff, Slash, and Izzy. Axl gave that interview because it was an easy way to show people he actually intended on showing up to the concerts, and made a lot of people realize Axl has at least one foot in the real world (and can even be charming. When Axl did the television interview in 2011, the band needed to promote a grossly undersold arena tour (when the band, at that time in the United States, was at best an amphitheater band). Also, the music press and internet were still mocking Axl relentlessly for the Rock in Rio show. Even with all that, Beta and Fenando had to essentially trick Axl into giving the interview. Sorry for the rant; just my two cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, themadcaplaughs said: Then there's Trunk. The dude dick swings like he's some kind of music business professor - trying to lecture Rick about who owns songs - yet does not seem to understand that basic concept that the $150,000.00 per song UMG seeks are statutory copyright damages. Eddie thinks the record label tried to directly sell ownership of unreleased Guns N' Roses songs to Rick Dunsford. Trunk should be banned from talking about music ever again for having an idea that stupid. Hell, maybe instead of ranting and raving like a 16 year old girl about how he left a GN'R concert, he should read one of those books on the basics of the music business. Holy shit, I couldn't agree more with this. I was stunned when I heard the segment. Trunks couldn't have sounded dumber if he tried during that portion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 The term "redneck" is offensive. Eddie is a complete tool and Rick, well Rick, hopefully gets out of this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, Coma16 said: The term "redneck" is offensive. No, it's not. https://www.yesmagazine.org/economy/2015/05/20/is-west-virginia-s-coal-history-a-goldmine-mine-wars/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOH Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 19 hours ago, Rovim said: yeah I just meant more or less proper vocals cause Hard School feels a little empty like another verse will improve it. Do you really believe Axl will put tunes on the set list just to fight boredom by a small group of hardcore fans? I doubt it but if true that would be hilarious. I think they do stuff with the setlists to troll us for sure. There was a big wink and nod with "Prostitute" on a leaked setlist after a leak but it was spelled incorrectly, which to me (or I was reading way too much into it) was poking fun at all of the arguing on forums about whether or not the lyric is "prostitute", because it's not sung clearly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, RussTCB said: No, it's not. https://www.yesmagazine.org/economy/2015/05/20/is-west-virginia-s-coal-history-a-goldmine-mine-wars/ A lot has changed since 2015... plus it's accepted for people of certain groups to refer to themselves as said group. 😛 Fuxk we need new music... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 12 hours ago, double talkin jive mfkr said: sounds pretty authoritative if not misleading at best axl had a few instrumentals and four sub par songs left off CD not the 80 songs in the bank that him and his moochers supported him in proclaiming - it was more of an empty promise but we have no way of knowing if the 2019 leaks from those disks is all the unreleased material that's left in Axl's "vault". You are treating the leaks as if the whole thing was an official release. That is in no way a clear indication of how many tunes Axl managed to complete. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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