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3 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Here's the thing with the whole "they don't owe us anything" argument: the fans aren't the ones who run around telling anyone who will listen how much awesome material there is that they plan to release someday. 

Axl, literally everyone who's ever been in GNR, every manager they've ever had, friends and anyone who's ever hung around the band has done that a lot over the years. Everyone is always going on about how much material there is, how awesome it is and how they're going to release it someday. 

So to me, the fans really can't be held responsible for claims that Axl and everyone else makes. 

Except maybe Bucket and Paul. ;) But yeah, you're right. Plus if they had no intention of releasing anything because "they don't owe us anything", they wouldn't be so bothered by a bunch of 20yo demo's making it on to the internet.

I just can't get over how shit this band is compared to literally every other band I'm a fan of. 

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25 minutes ago, username said:

Except maybe Bucket and Paul. ;) But yeah, you're right. Plus if they had no intention of releasing anything because "they don't owe us anything", they wouldn't be so bothered by a bunch of 20yo demo's making it on to the internet.

I just can't get over how shit this band is compared to literally every other band I'm a fan of. 

Well, they aren't a band really, are they? They don't write songs in a room together and jam out ideas. They probably haven't done that for 30 years. Even if someday we do get a new record, it'll probably be stuff written mostly by people who are no longer in the band, recorded seperately by the current lineup and patched together in the same Frankenstein-esque copy/paste manner of Chinese Democracy. There is no genuine band chemistry in Guns N Roses and there hasn't been since the late 80s in terms of creative output.

Guns N Roses 2001-2020 has been Axl's solo project. There is no democratic band scenario where everyone contributes and everyone has a say in what the band does. It's all about Axl Rose, and as it transpires, he really doesn't have a lot to offer by himself.

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3 minutes ago, Towelie said:

Well, they aren't a band really, are they? They don't write songs in a room together and jam out ideas. They probably haven't done that for 30 years. Even if someday we do get a new record, it'll probably be stuff written mostly by people who are no longer in the band, recorded seperately by the currently lineup and patched together in the same Frankenstein-esque copy/paste manner of Chinese Democracy. There is no genuine band chemistry in Guns N Roses and there hasn't been since the late 80s in terms of creative output.

Guns N Roses 2001-2020 has been Axl's solo project. There is no democratic band scenario where everyone contributes and everyone has a say in what the band does. It's all about Axl Rose, and as it transpires, he really doesn't have a lot to offer by himself.

All of this is painfully true. Depressing. 

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10 minutes ago, username said:

All of this is painfully true. Depressing. 

I think Axl mistakenly thought that because he's irreplaceable as the singer/frontman, that made him qualified to be a band leader. If the last twenty years has taught us anything, it's that Axl Rose is not capable of being a band leader. He does not produce results. You can blame the label, Slash, the leaks, management etc but at the end of the day, Axl Rose has had twenty years to prove he was worthy of being trusted with the Guns N Roses name, and he managed one record. One album in twenty seven fucking years. With all his resources, money, opportunies and support, that is all he could come up. It's pathetic really. There are corpses who are more productive.

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24 minutes ago, Towelie said:

I think Axl mistakenly thought that because he's irreplaceable as the singer/frontman, that made him qualified to be a band leader. If the last twenty years has taught us anything, it's that Axl Rose is not capable of being a band leader. He does not produce results. You can blame the label, Slash, the leaks, management etc but at the end of the day, Axl Rose has had twenty years to prove he was worthy of being trusted with the Guns N Roses name, and he managed one record. One album in twenty seven fucking years. With all his resources, money, opportunies and support, that is all he could come up. It's pathetic really. There are corpses who are more productive.

To me it seems like 1997-2001 is the only time GnR really worked as a unit. A band going into the studio with a vision, a purpose, something to prove. That's also what makes Village so good. After that things fell apart. You can already see it with all the Brain re-recordings. After 2004 it was gone completely. In 2006 they came back very strong as a live act and were (imo) as good as GnR has been live after 1993. But the studio energy seems to have been gone already. 

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1 hour ago, Towelie said:

I think Axl mistakenly thought that because he's irreplaceable as the singer/frontman, that made him qualified to be a band leader. If the last twenty years has taught us anything, it's that Axl Rose is not capable of being a band leader. He does not produce results. You can blame the label, Slash, the leaks, management etc but at the end of the day, Axl Rose has had twenty years to prove he was worthy of being trusted with the Guns N Roses name, and he managed one record. One album in twenty seven fucking years. With all his resources, money, opportunies and support, that is all he could come up. It's pathetic really. There are corpses who are more productive.

Axl is a brand leader. Current Gn'R is certainly not the Gn'R who was responsible for AFD, Lies, and UYI. When Axl had less control, other band members had enough power and influence to get shit done like releasing UYI when he wanted more time to tinker with it. Now it seems like he pretty much calls all the shots.

I seriously doubt the approach for making a potential new album will consist of Axl being in the same room with the rest of the band. It's far more likely imo that the rest of the band will play on existing material and come up with new instrumentals that will be sent to Axl and he'll give his opinion on it, record his ideas alone and vice versa. Could still sound like Gn'R but not really a band process like you said. Still better than nothing if it happens.

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1 hour ago, Towelie said:

 

Guns N Roses 2001-2020 has been Axl's solo project. There is no democratic band scenario where everyone contributes and everyone has a say in what the band does. It's all about Axl Rose, and as it transpires, he really doesn't have a lot to offer by himself.

I think this is untrue. Axl was paying his band money to go to the studio, collaborate and come up with ideas. Even dating back to the Illusions records, the guys all brought in their own ideas and then everybody else worked on it. Sometimes together, mostly separately. A band all in the same room organically creating new music sounds lovely, but it isn't always reality. I can name a slew of bands with one primary songwriter. Doesn't make them less of a band, and it certainly doesn't make it a solo project. Look at the long list of songwriting credits on Chinese Democracy. That's not a solo effort. That's an entire band creating music.

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8 minutes ago, Rovim said:

Axl is a brand leader. 

A lot of that comes down to surrounding yourself with the right people. And Axl most definitely has done a truly terrible job there. 

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5 minutes ago, username said:

A lot of that comes down to surrounding yourself with the right people. And Axl most definitely has done a truly terrible job there. 

but what is the goal? if it's to make money, I'd say the Gn'R camp is doing pretty well for themselves. The hardcore fans are not happy. A small group of people on the internet heard some leaks. No one gives a fuck or at the very least it doesn't really affect Axl and his money making machine.

edit: I think Axl surrounds himself with people he can trust to protect his interests. If he wasn't happy with their approach, he would make adjustments.

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2 minutes ago, Rovim said:

but what is the goal? if it's to make money, I'd say the Gn'R camp is doing pretty well for themselves. The hardcore fans are not happy. A small group of people on the internet heard some leaks. No one gives a fuck or at the very least it doesn't really affect Axl and his money making machine.

All true. And if that's really all they care about (which seems to be the case) this band is practically dead. There is no creative urge, artistic integrity, ambition or anything of the sort left. That's sad. 

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Just now, username said:

All true. And if that's really all they care about (which seems to be the case) this band is practically dead. There is no creative urge, artistic integrity, ambition or anything of the sort left. That's sad. 

I don't think that's the case. This is just a guess but I believe it's possible Axl's focus is on touring and making as much money as possible, striking the iron while it's hot and he is not concerned with going into a studio until this phase is complete. It doesn't mean he won't focus on completing and maybe releasing an album at a later time, but maybe he is in no hurry to get there. I think this year is another touring year. I don't like it, I just think that could be the way he sees it.

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GNR will complete the upcoming dates & do a fall tour, I'd be very surprised if they release an album this year. Hell the release date for CD will be eclipsed by the time NITL ends. 

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On 1/3/2020 at 10:01 AM, TheSeeker said:

Yeah the leaks exposed that Axl fudged the number of completed songs he had banked - he bluffed for 20 years and got away with it

 

Who's to say that there isn't way more songs recorded post the year 2000?

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2 minutes ago, Bucketbot25 said:

Who's to say that there isn't way more songs recorded post the year 2000?

Lol, you can even question if the CDs that Tom Zutaut had in his locker represent the whole batch of songs and ideas that they did in those years. There can be 10 or 15 more CDs of stuff that we have no idea about.

Just because we got to hear some of the stuff  doesn’t mean that it is the whole thing. 

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4 minutes ago, Bucketbot25 said:

Who's to say that there isn't way more songs recorded post the year 2000?

Bumblefoot

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4 minutes ago, TheSeeker said:

Bumblefoot

Can you please provide proof that he said that or confirmed it? cause I highly doubt he did.

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Just now, Rovim said:

Can you please provide proof that he said that or confirmed it? cause I highly doubt he did.

Bumblefoot did confirm that the 06-14 lineup didn't record any music together.

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3 minutes ago, Towelie said:

Bumblefoot did confirm that the 06-14 lineup didn't record any music together.

yeah but that doesn't mean that what we've heard is all the existing unreleased material that Axl has managed to accumulate. From the way Duff and Slash described it and others as well there is way more unheard unreleased material.

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18 minutes ago, Rovim said:

yeah but that doesn't mean that what we've heard is all the existing unreleased material that Axl has managed to accumulate. From the way Duff and Slash described it and others as well there is way more unheard unreleased material.

Exactly. Bumblefoot sucks. So does Ashba. Personally, I'm glad they didn't get to write anything for GNR. The locker room CDs aren't everything. I am sure there are different mixes of those songs, and other songs with vocals that we don't know about. 

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It seems that the 2006-2014 lineup didn't write anything new together, as Bumblefoot said that Axl showed no interest in any ideas brought to the table by that lineup. They did work on and finished pre-existing material, though.

Personally I wouldn't care much about music written by the Bumblefoot/Ashba lineup (and I understand why Axl wasn't interested). And I wouldn't care about early 00's songs re-worked by them either, so I don't mind much that that lineup didn't release anything. I think these songs should have been released when they were supposed to, in the early 00's, by the lineup that contributed to them, but since they weren't, I totally prefer to hear them reworked by Slash and Duff than by Bumblefoot and DJ Ashba.

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3 hours ago, GnR Chris said:

This is a false though. Chinese Democracy wasn't a "best of." There were other A-list songs held off the record, partly due to what had leaked, and partly because they planned a follow-up record. 

 

2 hours ago, ZoSoRose said:

I didnt believe this until this year. 

The leaks make me think I would have preferred a finished CD2 to CD. Its all killer hard rock

Yep. The leaks showed that CD2 would have totally kicked CDs ass, and would easily have gone up against any of the classic material. But if Axl doesn't want to release it and prove he had what it takes, whatever. He can spend the rest of his life as a yoyo and jigsaw merchant for all I give a fuck.

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9 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

It seems that the 2006-2014 lineup didn't write anything new together, as Bumblefoot said that Axl showed no interest in any ideas brought to the table by that lineup. They did work on and finished pre-existing material, though.

Personally I wouldn't care much about music written by the Bumblefoot/Ashba lineup (and I understand why Axl wasn't interested). And I wouldn't care about early 00's songs re-worked by them either, so I don't mind much that that lineup didn't release anything. I think these songs should have been released when they were supposed to, in the early 00's, by the lineup that contributed to them, but since they weren't, I pretty much prefer to hear them reworked by Slash and Duff than by Bumblefoot and DJ Ashba.

I like Bumble and the added flavor he brought to Chinese but I remember Axl said something like he thought the old band members (writing members like Robin and Bucket) were right for the album and current members at the time were right to what they were doing now (I guess the tour)

I suppose Bumble and DJ were not his first choices and he needed them to keep it going. The work was already done and now that Slash and Duff are back in Gn'R, the ideal musicians are there to rerecord. Before he had no incentive to rerecord the work of Robin and Bucket. Weird how the original replacements for Slash are probably going to be replaced by Slash lol

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On 03/01/2020 at 7:11 AM, downliner said:

Has UMG actually filed a lawsuit against Rick? :question:

UMG claims 97 tracks were leaked. When in fact mostly are alternate version songs from the Chinese Democracy album (an album that UMG couldn't care less).

There are nearly twenty unfinished instrumentals, that will never see the light of day, and a bunch of cast aside songs with "vocals" (basically Axl singing on his couch) that didn't make the cut.

The recordings were obtained from a storage unit auction, it says it all!

The settlement agreement made by UMG was ludicrious! 15k bucks! 15 like the total number of songs the band has released since 1993!

 

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2 minutes ago, Silent Jay said:

and a bunch of cast aside songs with "vocals" (basically Axl singing on his couch) that didn't make the cut.

Atlas, Hard School, and Perhaps got proper vocals though. (more or less) we know Axl wanted to release Atlas and that Hard School was added as a possibility to the set list.

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8 minutes ago, Rovim said:

Atlas, Hard School, and Perhaps got proper vocals though. (more or less) we know Axl wanted to release Atlas and that Hard School was added as a possibility to the set list.

Agreed. Considering the vocals for all of the other songs that made the final cut for CD are identical to these, there’s nothing to suggest that Atlas, Hard School, Perhaps and arguably even State of Grace aren’t final.

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