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2 hours ago, Murielweathers@gmail.com said:

 

As far as Axl himself. I grew up exactly the way he did: Pentecostal, overzealous, abusive "Christian" family, sang in a trio, knew the Bible because I had to memorize it, Bipolar-not-that-he-admits-anything, all that jazz. The family mottos were "Don't Disturb The Queen" and "Duck and Cover". 

So I have (probably) over identified with Axl. I see things from his point of view, particularly when people give him shit because people are idiots and assholes. I had honestly never thought of a man being anything other than a skirt chasing, perverted, waste of space. I still am in awe of the fact that Axl could be so open about himself and people still liked him. In the south, men never show any fragility if they can help it. I'm used to being made fun of and laughed at myself by family and others for anything I ever said or did. It just amazes me that he can go through all that and still find a sense of peace and a sense of self and happiness. Because honestly it's too damn hard.

Ridiculous rant over.

that was very honest and touching post.  Thank you :)

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Better, YCBM, and yes, SCOM could all go. 
In fact, there seems to be this idea that there are songs that absolutely have to be always played. I would agree with this only as far as two songs go: Jungle and PC. Anything else could either disappear for a while or, ideally, alternate with something else. I understand KOHD, NR, and SCOM will probably be always played – but the band wouldn’t go bankrupt if they alternated it because 50% of people would stop attending their shows in such case. Bullshit. They’ve had shows in the past (old Guns) where they didn’t always play these songs, and all was fine. They didn’t lose any fans, in fact, they gained new ones. I’ve said it here before – they started UYI tour playing previously unheard songs, they even opened their first show with a new song – they had the balls to do that in none less than Rio. 
"Better" should go immediately. Why doesn’t Axl choose something else, more suitable, from CD? This song is heavy on raspy vocals, and this way it sounds abhorrent. There are those "cleaner-approach" songs, like Prostitute etc. 
And as for SCOM, YCBM – what would happen if they dropped it for a while? At some point, with the new album out, the playlist will have to be heavily altered anyway, so why not start now? Does Metallica play Nothing Else Matters at every show? No. Do Deep Purple play Child in Time? No way. Have they lost fans because of that? Fuck no! 
They could change the playlist heavily and alternate it like they used to 4 years ago. Suit it to Axl’s current vocal form, not to some bullshit notion of casual fans’ expectations. Keep doing it the way you have, the casuals will eventually get sick of it, and you’re screwed (and then Nando will suddenly start visiting this forum again). 
Even the beginning – does it always have to be ISE/Brownstone/CD/Jungle? It’s like they’re not making any effort whatsoever, just running idly. 

There are loads of possible alternatives they could do: 

Dead Horse – Shadow of Your Love – You’re Crazy (AfD) – Nice Boys 
The Seeker – Down on the Farm 
Bad Obsession – Pretty Tied Up 
Nightrain – Out ta Get Me – My Michelle 
Civil War – Yesterdays – Estranged 
Patience – Don’t Cry 
Used to Love Her – You’re Crazy (Lies) 
Coma – There Was a Time – Locomotive 
Chinese Democracy – Shackler’s Revenge 
Madagascar – Sorry – Prostitute 

And so on! 
I hope something like this will begin as of March. 

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1 hour ago, jamillos said:

And so on! 
 

you can't do a modern Gn'R show by the book designed to work without doing:

wttj,it's so easy, brownstone, kohd, lald, PC, Nightrain, Patience/don't cry, Chinese, a few main CD era tunes, civil war, November Rain, Estranged, YCBM, RQ/MM/OTGM, SCOM

then you add on top of that DTJ/Slash solo spot, Coma and other uyi tunes like Yesterdays or UTLH/You're Crazy sometimes and a lot of covers

so you're already at more than 20 tunes you kinda have to play at least that's their formula which can feel restricting as a fan and unexciting even if it does show how strong the material is but it's 20 years with almost 2/3 of the setlist is comprised of the same tunes.

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42 minutes ago, Rovim said:

you can't do a modern Gn'R show by the book designed to work without doing:

wttj,it's so easy, brownstone, kohd, lald, PC, Nightrain, Patience/don't cry, Chinese, a few main CD era tunes, civil war, November Rain, Estranged, YCBM, RQ/MM/OTGM, SCOM

then you add on top of that DTJ/Slash solo spot, Coma and other uyi tunes like Yesterdays or UTLH/You're Crazy sometimes and a lot of covers

so you're already at more than 20 tunes you kinda have to play at least that's their formula which can feel restricting as a fan and unexciting even if it does show how strong the material is but it's 20 years with almost 2/3 of the setlist is comprised of the same tunes.

Of course you can, and that's my point. And you definitely can alternate almost everything. 

A casual didn't get to hear Rocket Queen? Good, deal with it; the world is on fire, and there are no certainties any more! 

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1 hour ago, jamillos said:

Of course you can, and that's my point. And you definitely can alternate almost everything. 

A casual didn't get to hear Rocket Queen? Good, deal with it; the world is on fire, and there are no certainties any more! 

well the big additions in recent years have been Coma, Locomtive, Dead Horse, DTJ, SOYL, and Slither and that's my point: if they do in average 25 to 30 tunes a show, there are only about less than 10 tunes they rotate. A song will never take the place of PC or WTTJ or Nightrain. They can do anything they want but their goal is also to give as many fans what they want when they come to see a show so like many other bands with a known and loved catalog, they try to find a certain balance. It works and if you change it you get something that could be less appealing to more people.

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31 minutes ago, Rovim said:

well the big additions in recent years have been Coma, Locomtive, Dead Horse, DTJ, SOYL, and Slither and that's my point: if they do in average 25 to 30 tunes a show, there are only about less than 10 tunes they rotate. A song will never take the place of PC or WTTJ or Nightrain. They can do anything they want but their goal is also to give as many fans what they want when they come to see a show so like many other bands with a known and loved catalog, they try to find a certain balance. It works and if you change it you get something that could be less appealing to more people.

I see your point, but try to see mine. We’re too close to the band. They absolutely can alternate the setlist with the exception of a few songs – the way I suggested in the first post. I don’t think the other huge music brands I’ve named above have such rigid playlists, and yet they get by flawlessly. The only factor that makes them play the same stuff for years on are themselves. All but 2–3 songs can be rotated. It would even bring some element of excitement. That doesn't mean get rid of stuff like YCBM once and for all. 

And they do this to their own detriment. They perpetuate the same playlist = I’m not buying a ticket (and thus no concert merchandize either).

Edit: Coma and DTJ have been played since the beginning. The real additions were DH and Loco. Slither, sure. 

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1 hour ago, jamillos said:

I see your point, but try to see mine. We’re too close to the band. They absolutely can alternate the setlist with the exception of a few songs – the way I suggested in the first post. I don’t think the other huge music brands I’ve named above have such rigid playlists, and yet they get by flawlessly. The only factor that makes them play the same stuff for years on are themselves. All but 2–3 songs can be rotated. It would even bring some element of excitement. That doesn't mean get rid of stuff like YCBM once and for all. 

And they do this to their own detriment. They perpetuate the same playlist = I’m not buying a ticket (and thus no concert merchandize either).

Edit: Coma and DTJ have been played since the beginning. The real additions were DH and Loco. Slither, sure. 

I was talking about the last 4 years. Reunion years. I see your point, I just mean this setlist was constructed for a reason: more of a something for everyone so basically more money cause more Gn'R spenders want a lot from most of the records they identify Gn'R with and some hardcore fans may get bored so they bring back a couple of UYI tracks and learn a few covers so no one can say it's not an all new show.

 

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9 hours ago, Murielweathers@gmail.com said:

Storytime: I'm in Oklahoma and the closest they are playing for the US leg is Arlington, TX. That's 5 maybe 6 hours away depending on traffic. I can't drive due to my health issues. The dugout tickets are around $300. The cheapest seats are around $150. IF I were to find someone stupid enough to go with me I'd pony up the $300 for their dugout ticket as well. Call it disability guilt. I paid for my friend's $177 ticket back in October while he paid for gas.

As far as Axl himself. I grew up exactly the way he did: Pentecostal, overzealous, abusive "Christian" family, sang in a trio, knew the Bible because I had to memorize it, Bipolar-not-that-he-admits-anything, all that jazz. The family mottos were "Don't Disturb The Queen" and "Duck and Cover". 

So I have (probably) over identified with Axl. I see things from his point of view, particularly when people give him shit because people are idiots and assholes. I had honestly never thought of a man being anything other than a skirt chasing, perverted, waste of space. I still am in awe of the fact that Axl could be so open about himself and people still liked him. In the south, men never show any fragility if they can help it. I'm used to being made fun of and laughed at myself by family and others for anything I ever said or did. It just amazes me that he can go through all that and still find a sense of peace and a sense of self and happiness. Because honestly it's too damn hard.

Ridiculous rant over.

nice post, hey I admire Axl a lot I just think his handlers do no good for him, this Axl your describing is one of the past, the one now is not really himself at all 

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10 hours ago, Sydney Fan said:

I could be happy not hearing scom live again. I dont know why they stopped doing yesterday.

Same, never been a huge fan of the song. I don't mind it too much though, they kind of have to play it at each show.

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5 hours ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

nice post, hey I admire Axl a lot I just think his handlers do no good for him, this Axl your describing is one of the past, the one now is not really himself at all 

I agree with you completely. He is too closed off from his fans and everything else around him.

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Is there a place to watch the Fox coverage of Sweet Child? I tried googling it and can't find anything. So awesome that GNR got to be anywhere near the SB. One year they need to actually listen to Dee Snider and book a proper group. 

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14 hours ago, MaskingApathy said:

Same, never been a huge fan of the song. I don't mind it too much though, they kind of have to play it at each show.

the solo is still one of Slash's best imo. It's just overplayed and there are much better Gn'R tunes but still a great song. They will never play a full show without doing it. The casuals will riot. It must be at least mostly nostalgic cause that is what this brand is selling.

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7 minutes ago, t-p-d-a said:

he smiles :-)

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Wig 2020 confirmed? 

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35 minutes ago, jafeijo said:

Wig 2020 confirmed? 

What the fuck is this?! 🤣🤣🤣

 

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17 minutes ago, Politania said:

It rather looks like a bad dyeing of hair. the sides are brighter than the top. 

-look at Slash ... he looks  so offended, like jealous wife next to her husband, when the guy is saying hello to another woman :D:D haha

Hahaha. I hadn't looked too closely at the pic. When I read your post, I was like "Really?" then I scrolled up and thought "Oh shit! Accurate!" haha

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A lot of focus is placed on Axl - but what did people think of Slash? I've only watched the Fox video (I don't bother with crappy cameraphone footage) but to me he looked pretty dis-engaged and drained. Anyone else get that feeling? 

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2 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

A lot of focus is placed on Axl - but what did people think of Slash? I've only watched the Fox video (I don't bother with crappy cameraphone footage) but to me he looked pretty dis-engaged and drained. Anyone else get that feeling? 

From everything I read here it was pretty much the consensus that Slash nailed it and saved the performance.

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1 minute ago, Tom-Ass said:

From everything I read here it was pretty much the consensus that Slash nailed it and saved the performance.

Ok- fair enough! As I say, I only watched the one video. I just thought the whole song sounded flat and lifeless to me. 

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On 2/4/2020 at 7:19 AM, jamillos said:

There are loads of possible alternatives they could do: 

Dead Horse – Shadow of Your Love – You’re Crazy (AfD) – Nice Boys 
The Seeker – Down on the Farm 
Bad Obsession – Pretty Tied Up 
Nightrain – Out ta Get Me – My Michelle 
Civil War – Yesterdays – Estranged 
Patience – Don’t Cry 
Used to Love Her – You’re Crazy (Lies) 
Coma – There Was a Time – Locomotive 
Chinese Democracy – Shackler’s Revenge 
Madagascar – Sorry – Prostitute 

And so on! 
I hope something like this will begin as of March. 

Chinese, Nightrain, Civil War, Estranged, Patience and Don't Cry should forever be staples IMO

Particularly Chinese. I think this band smash that song out of the park. Slash truly shines on it I feel, and that's coming from someone who doesn't appreciate his Pot Noodles on some of the other Chinese tunes. 

SCOM will always be played. It wouldn't effect me in any way if it was dropped, but the casual fan would be baffled if they did. A bird next to me started crying when Slash started playing the intro at the Slane show. Fuck knows what she was thinking when she seen me weep uncontrollably when the intro of There Was A Time was played, and even more so when I realised Axl was butchering it...:lol:

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There is footage on-line of the gig with about 6/7 full songs and snippets of the rest. Better was horrific, Slither just doesn’t work and Dead Horse as a band was all over the place but the gig appeared to be nowhere near as bad as folk are making out.

Yes, the band and Axl in particular could make smarter song choices to best utilise his current capabilities but what I heard was no different to the last couple of years.

Note - I am very much FOR a setlist overhaul and new material. It’s just worth pointing out if I had paid to go to that gig, I wouldn’t have been disappointed like many folk on here appear to be. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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My take and I know@RussTcb will disagree 

I have seen Axl at his best - he is nowhere close now - Slash is a monster always has been always will be - The Show 

Smkc recorded a album of new material in less than a month - 12 songs whether u like them or not - 12 new songs 

Axl voice is gone - a shell of his former self and has beengone  for a number of years 

I appreciate him trying - As a lifer I went to 4 NITL gigs - he sounded decent - nothing special - I get a lot of flake on this board on my Fan boy ism of Slash - From Day 1 I have always thought Slash and Axl were 50-50 on the bands success 

I always thought Slash was the show and I know this is a “ New Gnr board - not a lifer or day 1 board - hell its barely a Slash board but if u went to a illusion tour gig or a NITL gig u should realize Slash has always been the show with his playing and Bigger than life persona 

 

I accept Axl for who he is in 2020 - about time everyone does as well - The cat is trying but his voice barring surgery or a miracle is shit

Ps - You can’t drop Scom or YCbm because Axl cant sing them - it’s Axl job to sing the songs 

Just Enjoy the band as they r - A guitar driven band led by Slash  that once had the best singer in the world - Mr Axl Rose 

 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, TMAC20 said:

 

Smkc recorded a album of new material in less than a month - 12 songs whether u like them or not - 12 new songs 

They didn't record them in less than a month, it was more like 5 months.

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