01/31/20 - Miami, FL - American Airlines Arena **SWEET CHILD TELEVISED ON FOX**NOW WITH MORE SNOOP DOGG**

[RussTCB]

5 minutes ago, Coma16 said:

Say what you want about him, but his intentions were to tour the shit out of Chinese Democracy and then produce the next record.  When that didn't happen he hit the road to do what he loves.

That same phrase can be said of every single person in GNR from 2001 outside of Axl. 

[AxlRoseCDII]

20 hours ago, adamsapple said:

I don't think Axl's work ethic is holding up things but maybe his health? If the only way to get the raging and ranting Axl under control and to be on time is to kill all of his emotions and turn his speech and face into a dull mask I'd rather have riots and late starts. Age might be a factor too, but at this point there are 80 year olds that have more energy than him. No wonder he can't come up with lyrics or bring his A-game on stage anymore when he seems to be somewhat sedated most of the time. An artist needs to feel.

110% this.

I do think Axl has been heavily medicated since 2011. Weight gain, less motivation, etc.

[WildStar]

1 hour ago, Lio said:

It's total BS that casual fans would be disappointed if they didn't play songs like CD, Better, Yesterdays, Coma, TIL, Sorry and so many others they've been playing for years.

They have to play Jungle, scom, nr, pc, don't cry, ycbm, Patience, kohd and maybe lald. (Don't think I forgot any.) That's 9. They can rotate all the rest with new songs or other deepcuts.

I'm not one of those asking a complete overhaul, but to pretend they have to play all these songs (3 hours+ set!!), is just silly.  It's not unreasonable to expect some changes now and again.

Even new music could spark the interest of casuals. 

'GNR have a new album! It's better than the first album Appetite For What's it's face' 

[Politania]

I can't believe that some people would rather have riots and late starts again.

I also  think Axl's  been heavily medicated since 2011... but damn it, I wouldn't never ever want to see him that mad, full of anger, emotions and problems anymore.

[lame ass security]

21 hours ago, adamsapple said:

I don't think Axl's work ethic is holding up things but maybe his health? If the only way to get the raging and ranting Axl under control and to be on time is to kill all of his emotions and turn his speech and face into a dull mask I'd rather have riots and late starts. Age might be a factor too, but at this point there are 80 year olds that have more energy than him. No wonder he can't come up with lyrics or bring his A-game on stage anymore when he seems to be somewhat sedated most of the time. An artist needs to feel.

I'm just waiting for someone to say that Axl has had a lobotomy. 

[adamsapple]

5 minutes ago, Politania said:

I can't believe that some people would rather have riots and late starts again.

I also  think Axl's  been heavily medicated since 2011... but damn it, I wouldn't never ever want to see him that mad, full of anger, emotions and problems anymore.

It's more like a figure of speech, I don't want actual riots or late starts, but if Axl enjoys life and music more by going on a bit later and fans get a better performance out of that then that's better than the current state. I don't know why he's medicated, but I'd say he most likely is and it's no funny stuff.

[Politania]

2 minutes ago, adamsapple said:

It's more like a figure of speech, I don't want actual riots or late starts, but if Axl enjoys life and music more by going on a bit later and fans get a better performance out of that then that's better than the current state. I don't know why he's medicated, but I'd say he most likely is and it's no funny stuff.

it's no funny stuff, I agree with that. But I still claims I'd never wanted old times to go back, even little bit.

[djones1225]

I think it could be medication or alcohol and with the rumors of Axl stopped drinking when he toured with AC/DC it makes somewhat sense, he lost weight his voice was better and seemed motivated, then 2017 hit and it's gone downhill.

[Lio]

1 hour ago, adamsapple said:

It's more like a figure of speech, I don't want actual riots or late starts, but if Axl enjoys life and music more by going on a bit later and fans get a better performance out of that then that's better than the current state. I don't know why he's medicated, but I'd say he most likely is and it's no funny stuff.

Why? Does Axl look like he's enjoying life less than at any other period we've seen him? I don't think so. 

Also, most fans are happy with the performance.

I'm not speculating on medication of medical condition, but Axl to me seems much happier and at ease since 2016 than ever maybe.

[DurhamGirl]

3 hours ago, Liva said:

I was pretty clear in the fact that I was speculating in all this, so yes I pulled these numbers and scenarios "outta my arse" just like others put all the blame on Axl or pull their own theories outta their arse's...fact is no one knows for a fact a damn thing, its all just their own speculation, so what makes your theory or someone else's any more credible or reasonable?  The only fact that we can all agree on is there has been no new music released under the GNR name since CD in 2008.  The old 1986 cuts released in their box set were not CD era songs and probably have different ownership/rules governing how they were released.  Axl released a loony tunes song, not under the GNR name, so its clear he is ok in releasing things and not the hermit/hoarder you make him out to be.

If it is a legal issue, you keep your mouth shut, dont do interviews and get it sorted with the lawyers.  The last thing you want is someone slipping up in an interview and those words being twisted around by the record label and used against GNR.  There is a reason you have a "right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be used against you."  You let the lawyer do your arguing, you dont say dumb shit to reporters and be at the mercy of the reporter changing around what you said (happens all the time) and that snippet coming back to screw your argument against the label.

Fortus has no ambition...do you know that?  He told you that personally?  He was in the Dead Daisies and left them when it came time to pick a band.  Could have been for the payday, sure...but maybe he see's the future brighter with GNR if they can release whatever they may or may have music wise.

Again...we are all just speculating and making stuff up...can we agree on that?

I found this post helpful in my understanding of the present situation, thankyou.

[Liva]

2 hours ago, DurhamGirl said:

I found this post helpful in my understanding of the present situation, thankyou.

you are very welcome!

[moreblack]

everything on this forum is nothing but speculation and guesswork

[Liva]

45 minutes ago, moreblack said:

everything on this forum is nothing but speculation and guesswork

exactly...so there is no way to assign blame, make guesswork into fact, then get mad at facts that are based on guesswork or speculation. 

If you are bored because the setlist is the same every night, if that really really bothers you and keeps you up at night, do yourself a favor and stop looking at the setlist as often or at all, and you wont be as disappointed.  When it comes time for the show you are going to attend, you will not have the setlist memorized and you will be happier.  

If you are mad that he sounds the same every night or they do something the same everything, stop watching the videos on youtube of every show, you will be less disappointed.  As it looks, the band or someone related to them, label/publisher/rights holders/band themselves, are taking the youtube videos down, so once they are mostly gone, you will yearn for the days you could go watch the same song on every night of the tour and complain they are all the same. 

Note - every time I said "you" it is not directed personally at you moreblack, I am speaking to the general forum

i have been on the forum since before they made us sign up with usernames.  I was at boston 2002, all 4 2006 NYC hammerstein shows, been to every NYC area show since 2006 and was at Vegas night 1 2016... I have watched the evolution of the complaining. 

In 2006 - people complained about Axl's dreads, and voice and wanted 2001 Rio Axl back.

in 2010 - people complained about Axl's mustache and less fit physique and his voice not being great, they wanted 2006 Axl back, all of a sudden the pony tail dreads were deemed cool

in 2012-2014 - people complained about Axl being overweight and wanted 2010 Axl back, both physically and vocally. 

In 2016 - people complained about Axl being overweight and Steven and Izzy not being onstage, people wanted 1989 GNR back, some even wanted bucket back instead of Slash.

In 2019 - people complained and wanted 2016 Axl back, or Axl/DC (I saw Axl/DC at MSG), people actually wanted Axl to tour with AC/DC and not GNR

Now - before the tour starts, we want 2016 Axl back, cause he tried in 2016, but doesnt try anymore.  Duff is now weak and Slash isnt that good all of a sudden anymore.

The constant complaining is interesting to say the least.  They have a formula that works for them and if Axl or the band needs structure in order for a smooth show to go off then this "boring" set list is perfect and clearly has been working.  I would assume its designed with extreme thought on giving Axl breaks, letting members shine, not crushing Axl vocally by having certain songs next to each other, to have them start and end within a timeframe to minimize fines and overruns etc.  Plus now, there are more different guitars and tunings used, certain video is displayed for specific songs. The whole show is choreographed and they seem to have made it almost bulletproof.  A change might seem simple to us, but could be a bigger production or risk from the bands standpoint.  Imagine having meltdowns because lights/sounds/video/audio/guitar/inner ear audio were not in sync with constantly changing setlists and stuff was going wrong and Axl storming off/shutting down shows.  If that were to start happening, bet people would want those boring setlist days back. 

Orrrr...maybe they are just lazy and on autopilot...who knows?

[Lio]

@Liva Except Beta denied taking down videos and agreed videos are a promotion for the band. And GNR social media asked fans to post videos of their show experience.

Those are facts.

I basically scroll through all the setlist complaints nowadays. It's all very predictable. Setlist complaints are more boring than the setlist.

However, they seem to be able to add songs like Wichita, I feel good, BHS etc. I've seen eight shows and I think there's only one where I didn't get a song I hadn't heard before. It's not that choreographed. I don't think anyone realistically would expect or even want a complete overhaul. And they can and do add stuff to the set.

I just crave new music.

When that time comes, the usual suspects will be complaining. But many will be thrilled too. In fact, besides the complaining, when something amazing happens, most people will be enthusiastic (at least for a few hours😜).

As for Axl having meltdowns, at the Berlin show many things went wrong, Axl was obviously very frustrated, but he didn't storm off. He's less volatile these days and handles mishaps a lot better. Let's hope the storming off days are behind us.

[Politania]

40 minutes ago, Lio said:

 

He's less volatile these days and handles mishaps a lot better. Let's hope the storming off days are behind us.

I really have hope for this. At the beginning of reunion tour, a lot of fans  were skeptical about his behavior. They were afraid of him being late, unpredictable behavior. And it wasn't there. It seems to me now that many people are relieved and they come to the GNR concerts, knowing that Axl will be on time. that's a big plus.

[action]

12 hours ago, Lio said:

Why? Does Axl look like he's enjoying life less than at any other period we've seen him? I don't think so. 

Also, most fans are happy with the performance.

I'm not speculating on medication of medical condition, but Axl to me seems much happier and at ease since 2016 than ever maybe.

you can be medicated and acting happy at the same time, one does not exclude the other.

everyone can see Axl really doesn't look healthy these days. It doesn't seem like he can go on like this much longer. He needs to get his act together before something truly bad happens to him.

[Lio]

2 hours ago, action said:

you can be medicated and acting happy at the same time, one does not exclude the other.

everyone can see Axl really doesn't look healthy these days. It doesn't seem like he can go on like this much longer. He needs to get his act together before something truly bad happens to him.

So when did he have his act together according to you then? Whatever that might mean. He's doing all the shows like clockwork, no rants, no outbursts, neither on or off the stage. I'm not sure what you're expecting. To me that sounds like having your act together.

People here like speculating about his health, but I have only seen this 'concern' about his health on the forum. I never read anything about him looking unhealthy in reviews.

[EvanG]

3 hours ago, action said:

everyone can see Axl really doesn't look healthy these days. It doesn't seem like he can go on like this much longer. He needs to get his act together before something truly bad happens to him.

Maybe I'm missing something, but what is it that makes him look 'unhealthy'?

[action]

26 minutes ago, Lio said:

So when did he have his act together according to you then? Whatever that might mean. He's doing all the shows like clockwork, no rants, no outbursts, neither on or off the stage. I'm not sure what you're expecting. To me that sounds like having your act together.

People here like speculating about his health, but I have only seen this 'concern' about his health on the forum. I never read anything about him looking unhealthy in reviews.

why should reviews care about his health? they review the show and not his health.

it's only natural that such focus should be confined to this forum: as fans, we care about more than just the show. we care about axl's wellbeing too. 

[action]

10 minutes ago, EvanG said:

Maybe I'm missing something, but what is it that makes him look 'unhealthy'?

that's nothing new then 

[EvanG]

Just now, action said:

that's nothing new then 

I'll ask again, what is it that makes him look unhealthy?

I'm just asking because I'm curious because I honestly don't see what people like you are on about.

[Lio]

8 minutes ago, action said:

why should reviews care about his health? they review the show and not his health.

it's only natural that such focus should be confined to this forum: as fans, we care about more than just the show. we care about axl's wellbeing too. 

Of course reviews care. If artists look unhealthy/doped up/botoxed/whatever, you read it in the reviews. The media are obsessed with looks.

If anything, they mention he runs around for 3 hours. I don't know many unhealthy people who do that. In fact, I know none.

[Caedo]

Lol nothing about Axl looks unhealthy except for him being a bit overweight which is hardly unusual for a 58 year old. All you people going on about him being sedated and lacking energy need to get a grip seriously. He still covers the stage better than most his age, he just doesn't need to be jumping off pianos anymore. 

Edited February 10, 2020 by Caedo

[action]

7 minutes ago, EvanG said:

I'll ask again, what is it that makes him look unhealthy?

I'm just asking because I'm curious because I honestly don't see what people like you are on about.

I guess you never will.  

[jamillos]

I've never met anyone who's 58 and looks so good, wtf are ya people talking about. As for the "sedation", couldn't it be that he's finally happy these days, having buried all kinds of hatchets and making shitloads of money? I think it has something to do with it.