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2 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

You are the offspring of many generations' slow acquisition of genetic immunity to the influenza virus. Every time someone dies from the flu we as a species develop more resistance. 

And why do you focus on the flu? You claimed SARS-CoV-2 would go away in its own without our help. Again, there are examples of viruses not going away and becoming a constant part of the human condition, and viruses we humans eradicate through cures like vaccines. So you really just sprout nonsensical stream of brainfarts. 

yes, there are examples of viruses not going away.

corona will, because people develop antibodies. do you agree that some people develop antibodies, others dont? I suppose you do. Do you also agree that some people die, others dont? of course, you do. So it's then not hard to understand that in the end, only those who have a strong natural resistance to the virus, will survive. Ergo, the virus will go away by itself. Certainly not without a significant amount of victims, but it will go away. That's my point. nothing more, nothing less.

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I saw a doctor on CNN this morning. He said Stage 3 of testing a vaccine is on. I guess that's good news. I did hear if any of the stages weren't going well they would have had to start over, so I guess being in Stage 3 is a good thing. Didn't say when a vaccine could be done and ready for people. 

Texas said people have to wear masks again, but the Gov said the stores and restaurants should tell people to wear masks. Let's see how this goes over? I have been wearing a mask since this all started and will continue whenever I go out or to Walmart, since that's about the only place I shop.

Stay well

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2 hours ago, action said:

yes, there are examples of viruses not going away.

corona will, because people develop antibodies. 

Huh? We develop antibodies against every pathogen, including HIV, cold viruses flu viruses, ebola, etc, yet they are persistant and don't go away. The reason some go away is usually because they fail to spread efficiently or because we develop treatments against them. It simply doesn't matter if we develop ABs after we have passed the bug onto the next host. 

What is wrong with you that lets you just say nonsense and hope you are right? Is there no filter from between when you just think of something and you say it? No processing of thoughts to wead out those that are based on flawed assumptions, ideas based on nothing, bizzare jumps of logic? Do you have no desire to be correct or trustworthy? 

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16 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

No processing of thoughts to wead out those that are based on flawed assumptions, ideas based on nothing, bizzare jumps of logic? Do you have no desire to be correct or trustworthy? 

that sounds like way too much effort :shrugs:

I do pick up some things from time to time. I'm not totally oblivious to information. 

you do realise that the best discoveries in history were based on pure jumps of logic, yes? so there must be some value in it. don't dismiss every thought because it isn't based in verified facts. there is value in speculation

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6 hours ago, action said:

you do realise that the best discoveries in history were based on pure jumps of logic, yes? so there must be some value in it. don't dismiss every thought because it isn't based in verified facts. there is value in speculation

I don't dismiss your thoughts because they aren't based in facts, I dismiss your thoughts because they violate established facts, knowledge, logic and reason.

A genius is a person that is knowledgeable about the world and has the ability to creatively come up with innovative, often interdisciplinary, hypotheses based on this knowledge.

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Over 36,000 new cases in the US in the last 24 hours and what's looking like a definite trend upwards day to day. 

I mean to think that this is what we're seeing even after Trump reduced testing I'd hate to think what the real number is. 

Wonder when he's going to get tired of winning. Sooooo much winning going on all over the place.  

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Definitely an uptick. And it isn't a second wave since, as downzy pointed out, this is the result of the epidemic hitting different states at different times. All of the states where the numbers are increasing should be shutting down now, not opening up. That's moronic.

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14 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Definitely an uptick. And it isn't a second wave since, as downzy pointed out, this is the result of the epidemic hitting different states at different times. All of the states where the numbers are increasing should be shutting down now, not opening up. That's moronic.

I think I made the observation earlier in the outbreak that we were probably looking at one big first wave in the US vs multiple distinct waves. Basically pointing out that lifting a lockdown in Texas just because numbers are down I’m New York is probably not the best strategy. :lol: 

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On 23.6.2020 at 8:47 PM, action said:

yes, there are examples of viruses not going away.

corona will, because people develop antibodies. do you agree that some people develop antibodies, others dont? I suppose you do. Do you also agree that some people die, others dont? of course, you do. So it's then not hard to understand that in the end, only those who have a strong natural resistance to the virus, will survive. Ergo, the virus will go away by itself. Certainly not without a significant amount of victims, but it will go away. That's my point. nothing more, nothing less.

In other words it will go away, once all the people who can't handle it have died off?! How many will that be? 1 Million? 10 Million? 100 Million? More? And how long will that take? 1 year? 100 years (assuming they can't come up with a vaccine/people refuse to take it)? Or maybe it will just stick around and continue to affect some more than others. Funny how experts are not sure that it will go away, how they are not even sure how long antibodies will protect you from getting it again, but you know that it will go away!?

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4 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

In other words it will go away, once all the people who can't handle it have died off?! How many will that be? 1 Million? 10 Million? 100 Million? More? And how long will that take? 1 year? 100 years (assuming they can't come up with a vaccine/people refuse to take it)? Or maybe it will just stick around and continue to affect some more than others. Funny how experts are not sure that it will go away, how they are not even sure how long antibodies will protect you from getting it again, but you know that it will go away!?

yeah, pretty much like you said

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Experts said it would decline in the summer months because of the heat and a second wave in the fall.  It's spiking now in the hottest states in the country.  Herd immunity is the only way I see this going away.  

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12 minutes ago, Swampfox said:

Experts said it would decline in the summer months because of the heat and a second wave in the fall.  It's spiking now in the hottest states in the country.  Herd immunity is the only way I see this going away.  

Experts said that based on their other expert advice being followed. Crowding beaches wasn’t one of their recommendations. 

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36 minutes ago, Swampfox said:

Experts said it would decline in the summer months because of the heat and a second wave in the fall.  

I can't remember any epidemiologist saying it would go away because of the heat. Trump said it, though :lol:

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8 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I can't remember any epidemiologist saying it would go away because of the heat. Trump said it, though :lol:

Trumps got it sorted. If you scale back testing you get fewer confirmed cases. It's fucking genius really.

It's like not going to the doctor to avoid being diagnosed with cancer.

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Texas numbers are going way up again.

It is now mandatory to wears masks in public and if you go into any store or restaurants.

Texas is getting ready a convention center incase the hospitals get overrun again and they need a place to put  patients.

I saw a very sad story yesterday on the Texas news. Two brothers died within hours of each other from complications due to the corona virus. Very sad. They both had families. The community has raised over $50,000 on a go fund me page for their families. One of the family members was online telling every one that the virus is still here and to please stay inside or wear a mask if you have to go out.

I know it's a bitch to stay inside and away from friends, but this is a life or death situation. It has been from the beginning, but because Trump makes lite of it, some people think it's safe to resume your lives. It's not. The US is getting closer to the 200,000 death mark and if some people don't take this seriously, we till hit that number very quickkly.

Schools are supposed to start August 10. How can a state allow this if the virus is spreading quicker than it did back in March?

Things have to change or things will continue to get worse and more and more people will get this damn virus.

Stay safe.

2 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

I can't remember any epidemiologist saying it would go away because of the heat. Trump said it, though :lol:

Texas has been in the 80 and 90's and near 100 some days. Our numbers have gone up again. This virus can't be killed or contained if people don't wise up and stay inside or wear a damn mask.

Go to etsy.com. They have the cutest masks around. You can be cool while making a fashion statement too.

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3 hours ago, soon said:

Experts said that based on their other expert advice being followed. Crowding beaches wasn’t one of their recommendations. 

They didn't recommend mass protests either.

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5 minutes ago, Swampfox said:

They didn't recommend mass protests either.

The fight against police brutality trumped public safety. We've done a pretty good job here in canada but I think the real test will be after labour day.

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8 minutes ago, Coma16 said:

The fight against police brutality trumped public safety. We've done a pretty good job here in canada but I think the real test will be after labour day.

I've seen protests shown all over the world stemming from George Floyd's murder.  Has there been any protests in Canada or are people going about their business?

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16 minutes ago, Swampfox said:

I've seen protests shown all over the world stemming from George Floyd's murder.  Has there been any protests in Canada or are people going about their business?

There have been a few peaceful ones here in Toronto. There was word that anarchists from Montreal were gonna riot but it never happened.

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1 hour ago, Swampfox said:

They didn't recommend mass protests either.

Although police brutality and police murder is indeed a public health issue that falls under the purview of public health experts, and although some such authorities no doubt have spoken to the need to eradicate police murder, I too have not heard any health authorities call for mass protest.

”Mass” being a key word to focous on, of course. It’s never a good idea to view mass movements and events as one homogenous body of people. So I would say it’s an error to lump all the various mobilizations together.

For instance inner city, poor, black men of working and schooling age were already exposed to the virus at much higher levels then monetarily privileged people in suburbs. Those same black and inner city people also lacked medical coverage to a disproportionate degree.

When someone brings a fight to your door and the only risk you are facing in fighting back are the same risks that you would be facing by going to work one of your two front line jobs, via mass transit... you fight back.

(this ought to also help one understand what kind of pressures systemic and interpersonal racism brings to bear on these communities without being murdered by cops)

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9 hours ago, spunko12345 said:

Trumps got it sorted. If you scale back testing you get fewer confirmed cases. It's fucking genius really.

It's like not going to the doctor to avoid being diagnosed with cancer.

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8 hours ago, Coma16 said:

There have been a few peaceful ones here in Toronto. There was word that anarchists from Montreal were gonna riot but it never happened.

:blink: ?!? ...anarchists from Montreal were gonna riot...  wtf peaceful Toronto dude only riots coming from here were back in ‘92... ;)

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My man Roberto Duran has caught COVID-19.  I swear to God if anything happens to Duran I will NEVER forgive this fuckin' virus.  Fuckin' bastard man, Duran, Duran of all people.  Fuck it though, it can't do shit to Duran, he's made of fuckin' iron.  Fuckin' coronavirus has gone to far now.

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