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scrolling thru this thread, is almost as entertaining as every show thread we had in the past, thanks for giving me a few good laughs.

But on a more seriouse note, the recent clip is of course an improvement to the first one, but it's far away from an professionally mixed live show for an official release. 

And that's my only complaint, why the hell can't they get somebody on board, who does a better job on videosound engineering?

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Just now, EricA said:

scrolling thru this thread, is almost as entertaining as every show thread we had in the past, thanks for giving me a few good laughs.

But on a more seriouse note, the recent clip is of course an improvement to the first one, but it's far away from an professionally mixed live show for an offical release. 

And that's my only complaint, why the hell can't they get somebody on board, who does a better job on videosound engineering?

Because they would have to pay someone. Management seem like extremely tight asses who aren't willing to spare a dime for anyone.

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2 minutes ago, Towelie said:

But he can't sing. People have just lowered their expectations so much that they'll accept any shit that's offered. If a random man got up singing karaoke like that in a pub, he would be booed and jeered and laughed at. People give him a pass because he's Axl Rose and he can hide behind the great musicianship of players like Slash, Buckethead, Bumblefoot et al. But lets be real here for a moment, Axl Rose sounds like dog shit. I wouldn't dare play this to any of my friends or family, would you? 

All of my friends and family have been thinking Axl can't sing since 1987, so I guess that's a no :lol:

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5 minutes ago, Lio said:

All of my friends and family have been thinking Axl can't sing since 1987, so I guess that's a no :lol:

Yes, but he really can't sing now. That's a style thing - some people don't like the screeching 80s hard rock style of singing, but anyone who knows anything about singing will attest that Axl was world class in 1987. 

It doesn't take a professional vocal coach to tell that Axl Rose circa 2012-2020 sounds like shit a good 80% of the time.

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Just watched this.

Thoughts:

In general, very good. Having read the comments on here first I was very pleasantly surprised as I was expecting a horror show.

Slash on fire. Loving the green guitar. Excellent all round. Simples!

Duff's bass licks are great, loving the funky stuff during the RQ intro. Attitude great.

Fortus solid and harmless as ever. RQ solo totally unnecessary!, but he's a gifted player and can shred a bit. Don't like the rhythm bit he plays under the RQ solo though, far too cheesy. 

Dizzy / Melissa might as well have not been there (for these 5 songs at least).

Axl's voice ok to good. Vocals at the end of RQ are fantastic, but he does struggle a touch in a few parts - he briefly but noticeably drops down an octave at the end of the RQ second verse. I think we need to accept at his age he will never recreate what he could have done in his thirties, so I've no complaints at all. His low register is still completely fantastic ("where do we go" immediately after SCOM solo). I'm sure it sounded even better live (i.e. there). Maybe drop the songs down a key might help in a year or so. I agree with other comments that he should sing Slither closer to how Scott sang it. The biggest missed opportunity with Axl was the wilderness years - 95-2005 when he was at the perfect age, but didn't tour. It's the equivalent of the Muhammad Ali years when he didn't fight due to Vietnam right at what would have been the peak of his career.

Band overall made a few mistakes here and there, but this is not the London Philharmonic, and adds to the charm. They lack the "sleaze factor" a touch (see below for drums).

Sound mix in general excellent (see below for drums).

So, drums...

I'm a drummer, so I'm aware I'm overly critical of drumming and likely have biased views. There's two things here - the drummer himself, and the drum sound mix.

With drums the truth is that a good band with a bad drummer will sound like a bad band, and a bad band with a good drummer can sound tight as fuck.

Frank is absolutely solid, and while he's far from my favourite GnR drummer (Stephen for sleaze and groove, Matt for rhythm, Brain overall), he's not bad. He just lacks the "sleaze factor" and groove particularly on songs like RQ where he is motoring the pace just a touch.

The main issue is the mix though. The GnR sound, particularly Appetite era, is that "sleaze " I mentioned which is all driven by the hi-hat and ride, and you can't even hear them!! Its terrible. All you can hear are what sound like gated and triggered bass and snare pops. Coincidentally i watched Appetite for Democracy last night (it was on UK tv) and the sound was exactly the same, so it isn't a new thing and has been a GnR feature since around 2010-12 (listen to RIR3 then this and compare the drum mix). You need to hear the slow groove of the hi-hat, the dynamics, caressing the rhythm of the song forwards - this is totally lacking. It is most noticeable in SCOM. Sort the drum sound out, and even with Frank playing, it would elevate the whole thing 1000%.

Anyway, my positive / constructive criticism!

Overall though - fully enjoyed it. Great to wake up to and watch with a breakfast coffee. 8/10.

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8 hours ago, Carburetta said:

Yeah ‘cos singing in time is too much for one of the greatest rock vocalists of all time, if only he had learnt that at some stage over the past 40yrs, imagine what he could have become? Maybe when he gets better at this “singing in time” he’ll really develop into something. Is there anything else you think he could learn?

Judging by Axl’s performances of his own songs the last few years, he can’t even sing his own songs in time, either speeding up, or slowing down, to the point of being completely out of time from the rest of the band, yet, you’re telling me he does this on purpose, because he’s a ‘professional’ singer... 

You nutswingers are hilarious :lol:

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47 minutes ago, Towelie said:

Yeah, it's a shitshow, but we didn't need pro-shot "selects" to find that out. Axl's sounded dreadful for years.

This band are a disgrace and it's all on Axl. 

It's kind of funny seeing the drones in the audience singing along, seemingly in their own little world, pretending it's 1992. No, it doesn't sound better in person. You've been had and you just don't want to admit it.

I would be embarrassed to be caught on camera looking like I'm enjoying this shit. It's painful and you look like a twat, a mug, having paid top dollar to witness a guy who doesn't even have the basic respect to put in the tiniest modicum of effort to sound listenable for his audience. 

Dude, come on. Yeah, Axl’s pretty much sucked since 2017 (my theory is that the AC/DC thing has seriously worn down his throat), but "drones" in the audience, "pretending it’s 1992"? Man, they’re just having a good time. Some of them weren’t even around when Guns were in their heydays. And not everyone is a hard-core nutter like us here, dissecting Axl’s every syllable and every move. Why don’t we let those people have their fun. 
And I assure you I’m not one of those HTGTH-like defenders who don’t criticize anything. I always call em like I see em. E.g., Axl now sucks, and so does the playlist. Slash is god, though, etc. Peace. 

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1 minute ago, jamillos said:

Dude, come on. Yeah, Axl’s pretty much sucked since 2017 (my theory is that the AC/DC thing has seriously worn down his throat), but "drones" in the audience, "pretending it’s 1992"? Man, they’re just having good time. Some of them weren’t even around when Guns were in their heydays. And not everyone is a hard-core nutter like us here, dissecting Axl’s every syllable and every move. Why don’t we let those people have their fun. 
And I assure you I’m not one of those HTGTH-like defenders who don’t criticize anything. I always call em like I see em. E.g., Axl now sucks, and so does the playlist. Slash is god, though, etc. Peace. 

I stand by what I said. 

Agree with you about Slash though. He's the only reason I watch these videos.

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3 minutes ago, Towelie said:

I stand by what I said. 

Agree with you about Slash though. He's the only reason I watch these videos.

So basically, people who don't hate it like you do (i.e. who don't see it your way) are mindless zombies. Gotcha. Very mature, gotta say. ;) 

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1 minute ago, jamillos said:

So basically, people who don't hate it like you do (i.e. who don't see it your way) are mindless zombies. Gotcha. Very mature, gotta say. ;) 

People who pay top dollar to see Axl Rose half-ass it have more money than sense, yes. 

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16 minutes ago, metallex78 said:

Judging by Axl’s performances of his own songs the last few years, he can’t even sing his own songs in time, either speeding up, or slowing down, to the point of being completely out of time from the rest of the band, yet, you’re telling me he does this on purpose, because he’s a ‘professional’ singer... 

You nutswingers are hilarious :lol:

I’m a nutswinger, but you on the other hand are a guy who because the song isn’t being sung exactly like Scott Weiland sang it, thinks that Axl is making timing errors all song long, and is doing this in front of 100k people, several nights a week? You realise that this is an unlikely scenario don’t you? 

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27 minutes ago, ToonGuns said:

Axl's voice ok to good. Vocals at the end of RQ are fantastic, but he does struggle a touch in a few parts - he briefly but noticeably drops down an octave at the end of the RQ second verse.

Are you serious?

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14 minutes ago, there is no dana only zool said:

2002

Yep I know. I saw them at Leeds 2002. I don't really count a few random EU dates and a cancelled N/American tour etc (plus a couple of New Year warm ups and MTV) within what ultimately was a 13 year period (1993-2006) as making up for the lost opportunity I was referring to in terms of some of what could have been Axl's prime vocal years, which was the point I was trying to make.

13 minutes ago, Rayno said:

Are you serious?

Yep. The rasp that opens the outro. It deteriorates a bit further towards the end of the song if I'm being honest,  but that shrill is there. Don't get me wrong, this is not prime Axl, but take it for what it is and it isn't bad at all.

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1 hour ago, EricA said:

but it's far away from an professionally mixed live show for an official release. 

No, it is in fact very much that.

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It’s frustrating to see Axl like this but I don’t think he ever half asses it on stage. He still moves about more than is good for his delivery given his age and current size. And he still sings when he doesn’t need to. What’s the point in that pitiful whimper just before the Slither solo? He doesn’t need to do anything there.

Not to forget these excerpts come from the middle of a three hour show. If anything, he’s trying too hard. He literally can’t sing some of these songs all the way through anymore but perseveres with them in the original key anyway.

Attempting Coma every night is admirable but ridiculous.

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1 hour ago, Lio said:

Axl's still a great performer. Slash is amazing, Duff is really great. They put on a top show. Most people at the show are thrilled afterwards and the reviews are mostly positive. So the negative stuff you get here is not at all what you get at a show. People go to a show, are all excited about a great performance, only to read on here that it actually sucked.

A very astute observations here, genuinely had a giggle at that last bit :lol:.

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44 minutes ago, SMG said:

No, it is in fact very much that.

ok, if you say so:shrugs:

maybe it's more likely my very own perception only, but as it goes for every live show sound itself, the video sound also has to blow me away, and this one doesn't do it, at least not entirely. But either way, i'm happy that we got a new clip.

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I wonder who said "hey let's upload Slither, Rocket Queen, YCBM and SCOM. Axl always sounds great on those songs!"

They could not have picked worse songs than that. Maybe the first performance of Dead Horse from 2019.

RELEASE SOMETHING FROM 1986-1993 OR 2006/7, 2009/10.

2016 would be okay too.

 

Also I can't believe people are into this.

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I couldn’t watch it through ... believe me or not but I just couldn’t. The band is good, crowd, camera work and sound are also pretty ok. But Axl ruins it for me. Each time he tries to sing I skipped forward until I finally had to give up. 

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33 minutes ago, UcudBmine said:

Also I can't believe people are into this.

It's a step forward that they are upload some live stuff on YouTube. That's the point, what makes me interested

 

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3 hours ago, Rayno said:

What about the sound?

It is what it is. The Sounds cack, Axl sounds mostly cack, Slash on rocket queen sounds like me playing along drunk...But, expectations are low so..... 

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1 hour ago, SMG said:

No, it is in fact very much that.

You cannot be serious. Guitars are a mess, drums too. Listen to Metallica live shows, pal.

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