Petr Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Sorry to say but you guys sound like a bunch of haters. The Download video is cool, mix is great, band is tight, Slash is awesome and well yes, Axl does not sound like 1988 or 1992 or even 2016 but he still sings better than most vocalists and the crowd obviously enjoys is. If you guys have problem with this, why don't you forget about GNR and move to another band? This is something I really don't get. You can F?!* OFF and buy something from the New Age section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekness Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Petr said: Sorry to say but you guys sound like a bunch of haters. The Download video is cool, mix is great, band is tight, Slash is awesome and well yes, Axl does not sound like 1988 or 1992 or even 2016 but he still sings better than most vocalists and the crowd obviously enjoys is. If you guys have problem with this, why don't you forget about GNR and move to another band? This is something I really don't get. You can F?!* OFF and buy something from the New Age section. Jesus. Guns N' Roses is and will probably always be my favorite band. Let's not be biased or totally blind here though - these selects are terrible. Chinese Democracy from the first video was at most mediocre and somewhat acceptable I guess, but this most recent one was horrific. I love Axl like we all do, but if they're going to be "selects" then why is whatever team selecting the Disney performance? I've heard Axl do much better at various shows during NITL. YCBM and SCOM sounded pretty damn sad. But that's how it goes when the whole world wants you to keep performing at nearly 60 years old. I'm still not a fan of the GNR reunion for the exact fact that Axl clearly has health issues or is way too affected by age. It should have been a reunion for a new album, and then touring immediately after. Years of touring and then recording makes me nervous for the quality of stuff we're going to eventually hear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTJ80 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 34 minutes ago, zepsun said: I have to say, from a vocal point of view YCBM, Slither, and RQ were surprisingly good. Axl is fucking trying and mostly getting there. Two observations from this and all NITL videos: it's easy to hear that his upper register has lost volume - when he quickly switches lower, he sounds super loud. The sound engineer should try some hard compression and see what it sounds like it. Every singer's range starts to deteriorate from age and longterm belting/use. All the best singers experience this Steve Tyler has lost his mid range a bit David Coverdale... omg Robert Plant was able to hide it well to casual listeners, but he was losing his range within 2 years of LZ's first album. Adele started to lose her range on the "Nevemind I'll Find..." tour. She started rearranging or dropping her high notes. Sia had started lowering the pitch of her song, and rearranging her high notes secondly, even people w/ 8% at his age would experience SoB holding notes and rushing around on stage (dare I mention Bruce Dickinson?). His man-gut looks worse on camera than it does in person, so I don't think he deserves to be called out for being 'fat' really - we are just comparing him to 90s/80s GNR. I'm appreciative (and people should be surprised) that he can hit the higher notes still. I also liked the few little changes Slash made to the Slither solo. And that’s the thing - he SHOULD adapt to his current capabilities like the vocalists have above. I wish he would - everybody wins. I do think the newest video was pretty decent actually - I’ve heard FAR worse RQs and SCOMs than those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) I just wanna hear them try D tuning. Listen to Nightrain in D it's fuckin' cool.... little more menacing.... little more world weary -- it suits an Axl that kinda stalks around instead of sprints around... Edited June 21, 2020 by Ant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted June 21, 2020 Author Share Posted June 21, 2020 39 minutes ago, Petr said: Sorry to say but you guys sound like a bunch of haters. The Download video is cool, mix is great, band is tight, Slash is awesome and well yes, Axl does not sound like 1988 or 1992 or even 2016 but he still sings better than most vocalists and the crowd obviously enjoys is. If you guys have problem with this, why don't you forget about GNR and move to another band? This is something I really don't get. You can F?!* OFF and buy something from the New Age section. Not every critique is an insult, and what some people see as 'hating' others would see as 'disappointment'. Anyone still posting on a GNR forum is a fan on some level (even if it's just nostalgia or memes and jokes at this point). Any time they do anything relatively interesting, the majority of the board is enthusiastic about it. Objectively, the NITL Selects are just 'fine', when we know they could be great. The frustration builds up and it's misinterpreted as hate or hostility when really, 99% of the 'haters' just want the best from their favourite band. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koldbeer2 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Ant said: I just wanna hear them try D tuning. Listen to Nightrain in D it's fuckin' cool.... little more menacing.... little more world weary -- it suits an Axl that kinda stalks around instead of sprints around... Problem is it brings even more of the song into his weak mid range where he struggles. Low stuff is easy, high stuff has deteriorated big time recently but on things like soyl he can still get it out. But songs like Scom, ycbm that require strong mid voice he just struggling with and has done for some time and he can't do it any way other than the weak higher pitched head voice that sounds like the Mickey voice we know. The reason AcDc sounded so good even compared to 2016 Guns shows was there was only a limited time he had to drop out of that stronger high pitched raspy head voice. Whereas Guns songs move from mixed to head many times a song (just take jungle live, opens higher, drops lower in the middle then back higher, but it's right at the point where it's at its weakest connection where he could also force it out on chest voice as well, and indeed these days that's usually what he does instead). Edited June 21, 2020 by koldbeer2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, koldbeer2 said: Problem is it brings even more of the song into his weak mid range where he struggles. Low stuff is easy, high stuff has deteriorated big time recently but on things like soyl he can still get it out. But songs like Scom, ycbm that require strong mid voice he just struggling with and has done for some time and he can't do it any way other than the weak higher pitched head voice that sounds like the Mickey voice we know. Okay fine so low is easy? HOW LOW CAN WE GO, BABY --- C-tuning! Sludge N' Roses! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedYourIllusion Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said: I saw Duff play Dust N' Bones when he opened for Axl in 2011. It was great! GNR could definitely be playing it, even without Izzy. There's plenty of deep cuts that Axl would still sound great on, too (Down On The Farm, Pretty Tied Up, Bad Obsession, etc) A lot of tracks--especially if Izzy came back-- could help Axls voice. 14 Years, Dust N' Bones, maybe a solo Izzy song, a TSI song for Duff, replacing Better with Sorry, Move to the City, the songs you mentioned, The Garden, Breakdown even 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alejandro GNR Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Axl not rasping on Sorrys prechorus is a big signal his voice is torn out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underhardy Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Alejandro GNR said: Axl not rasping on Sorrys prechorus is a big signal his voice is torn out He hasn’t rasped that’s since 2010. Axl/DC was 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alejandro GNR Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 33 minutes ago, Underhardy said: He hasn’t rasped that’s since 2010. Axl/DC was 2016. Sorry from RiR 2017 is just terrible...he would never choose to sing it like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marinergtfc Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Well, at least he’s not at the Elton John ‘om till tanding’ level...............yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangom1 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 The response so far from media outlets have been mostly very positive regarding the video posted👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson87 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Axl sounds pretty damn good on this RQ outro. Having soundboard/proshot of Slither was really cool too. I hope we get some videos pre-2018, something from the NA 2016 run or my 2017 shows would be really cool to see. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Dangom1 said: The response so far from media outlets have been mostly very positive regarding the video posted👍 I cann't imagine most 'media outlets' are remotely bothered about GNR uploading a few crappy videos on YouTube! Outside of this board I'm yet to see or hear any mention of it. Because in the real world an old nostalgia-based band uploading a few crappy videos really isn't news. Edited June 22, 2020 by allwaystired 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Dangom1 said: The response so far from media outlets have been mostly very positive regarding the video posted👍 See below. 2 hours ago, allwaystired said: I cann't imagine most 'media outlets' are remotely bothered about GNR uploading a few crappy videos on YouTube! Outside of this board I'm yet to see or hear any mention of it. Because in the real world an old nostalgia-based band uploading a few crappy videos really isn't news. Haha, exactly. I sincerely doubt any "media outlets" care about this at all. Would love to be proven wrong with some links though. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 I haven't seen a single report about this on any of the usual media sites. That said, I have to admit that the YouTube comments seemed a lot more positive than I expected based on how brutal those usually are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Blackstar Posted June 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2020 (edited) The usual outlets (i.e. the sites that usually write when there is anything "new" about GnR) have written about it: https://www.kerrang.com/the-news/guns-n-roses-share-footage-from-their-2018-download-festival-headline-set/ https://ultimateclassicrock.com/guns-n-roses-download-festival-video/ https://www.loudersound.com/news/watch-as-guns-n-roses-relive-their-2018-download-headline-set https://www.udiscovermusic.com/news/guns-n-roses-2018-download/ https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/watch-pro-shot-video-of-guns-n-roses-performance-at-2018-download-festival/ https://tonedeaf.thebrag.com/guns-n-roses-streaming-series/ Edited June 22, 2020 by Blackstar 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Only here to read the complaints because people don't like anything 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 28 minutes ago, moreblack said: Only here to read the complaints because people don't like anything By 'anything' I assume you mean 'low quality YouTube clips'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, allwaystired said: By 'anything' I assume you mean 'low quality YouTube clips'? Wouldn't matter what quality they were 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 17 minutes ago, moreblack said: Wouldn't matter what quality they were There's plenty of positivity here. When it's merited. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTJ80 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 18 hours ago, Alejandro GNR said: Sorry from RiR 2017 is just terrible...he would never choose to sing it like that The version of Sorry from the Apollo in 2017 is excellent - one of my favourites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post adamsapple Posted June 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, allwaystired said: There's plenty of positivity here. When it's merited. This. Since the casuals obviously couldn't care less about actual quality as long as Slash is doing Slash on stage they might as well make some hardcore fans happy with some of the good shit they certainly do have up their sleeves but not share. It's not like NITL didn't have plenty of really good to absolutely amazing performances. On top of my head Houston 2016 comes to mind for example. By posting anything BUT what many actual fans were suggesting, requesting and asking for all the time they just show once again how little they care. Too little, too late. I'm among the first to bitch but I'm also jumping to praise the shit out of them whenever they offer something really cool. And for many reasons those "selects" posted so far were not cool. That's my personal opinion and I totally respect when people are happy with less than what's possible and enjoy what's being offered. I'm not. I've seen shaky cell phone bootlegs on YT that got me more excited and entertained than any of the "selects" so far. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragan1978 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 I enjoyed watching this videos and thought they were very cool wish we had it more coming in next period Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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