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41 minutes ago, jamillos said:

I literally said Jungle is irreplaceable. But if you think they have to play a song like CD forever, you could be surprised. There was a time once when they didn’t play it, and it definitely can just be replaced with something else – why not? What’s gonna happen? Do you think this is a song people come to? 
As for the others, you’re naming songs that I too have named as those that remain. But who says Nightrain can’t alternate with Michelle like in the 90s? Or Chinese with something else off Chinese Democracy? Or fucking Seeker with like Down on the Farm or something. And do they always have to open with ISE? Whatever happened to diversity and the element of surprise? "We kinda pick them as we go"...? 
They can’t go on forever with this tour as the reunion tour, containing the key members and therefore being played also/mainly for boomers etc. This has already been done ad nauseam, and now it’s time for shit like Skin n’ Bones, know what I mean? 
Kazillions of dollars have been made, now cater to the real fans. 
 

I misread the jungle thing, as you read the Chinese Democracy thing... I definitely don't think Chinese is irreplaceable, I was saying that in comparison to Prostitute it's a much, much better live song. 

Hey, I'd love if My Michelle was in more sets... but Nightrain is also one of my favourite songs and it always gets a great reaction, My Michelle is a little slower and possibly a bit more of a deeper cut in 2020, so that's why it's not always in the set.

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On 22/05/2020 at 1:24 PM, GNR_RNR said:

It is absolutely entitlement. Just look at what we've had since 2014 and how people still complain.

No, it's not. If the band were actually releasing stuff, actively communicating with the fan base, actually doing something other than hitting city X for the 3rd time on the same tour with basically an identical setlist, then yes it would be a sense of entitlement. But that's not the case here. 

What have we had from the band themselves since 2014, besides Slash and Duff and a handful of deepcuts over a 4yr period? Absolutely nothing when you think of the potential that was there. 

Really don't know how you can think people have a sense of self entitlement when the band literally give us nothing except the same live show we've all seen 

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3 hours ago, TOS--LOA said:

I agree that this NITL SELECTS is too little too late, although I hope it continues and turns into something cool. 

But I don't understand people saying that the mix is bad. This is exactly how NITL GNR sounds in person and has always sounded. Frank's drums are eq'ed terribly always and Slash's tone and playing has always been weirdly shreddy and dry/digital sounding. NITL GNR has always sounded like a completely different band from '88 or ' 92 Era guns. Whether it's in person, on YouTube or even raw tracks from IEM. 

I went to a 2016 show and the mix was better than this. I could hear the bass and the Fortus guitar perfectly, and the drums sounded better too.

The mix of this video os horrible

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4 hours ago, James Bond said:

There we go, man. Something we agree on. :lol:

I'd say he's guilty of the same thing is Estranged during the opening lines. Probably a couple others as well. He seems to straddle between that thinner high and his talking/low singing voice. He'd be totally fine to just sing it all low as he did way back when, and I think it would improve the overall sound of some of these songs if he did as you suggested.

The clips of Pretty Tied Up from the Mexico soundcheck sounded fantastic. He clearly went clean for the chorus but with the support from the backing vocals it was a smart approach. Take it easy when he can and relearn various peak points in other songs.

Yeah Estranged is a weird one. No need for the head voice yet he goes for it every time. It must just be a comfort thing for him because it just makes no sense.

It's the same things as when he switched up how he sang mr brownstone in the 90's. And since then I've just not dug any live version of brownstone (with the exception of 2010 rose bar).

His mid range is strange because it's there yet it isn't. Was listening to the "I feel good" cover from 2017 and he busts out a real nice mid voice (range of voices actually) on that. Plenty of rasp. Yet YCBM will suffer from the same thin voice issue.

I think the more Axl sings a song the 'cleaner' he will make it. I think this points to a concentrated effort  to smooth out his vocals be that for voice sparing or stylistic choices who knows.

Would love to hear way more of the 2010 'low' rasp return but I will say that using the clean voice has allowed Axl to keep his voice in pretty decent condition (in terms of range and projection etc). 

3 hours ago, DTJ80 said:

It would be a brave move to amend the voice on the big hitters (SCOM/NR etc) but at this point it’s necessary. Unless putting less strain on the voice over the course of a setlist/tour could mean he can push his voice more on those?

Certainly I think he could keep the head voice for SCOM. While the clean voice gets a bit too much stick on here it fits that song pretty well imo.

But NR could switch to a more 'you aint the first' type voice and would sound ace. 

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10 minutes ago, thomasmcole said:

No, it's not. If the band were actually releasing stuff, actively communicating with the fan base, actually doing something other than hitting city X for the 3rd time on the same tour with basically an identical setlist, then yes it would be a sense of entitlement. But that's not the case here. 

What have we had from the band themselves since 2014, besides Slash and Duff and a handful of deepcuts over a 4yr period? Absolutely nothing when you think of the potential that was there. 

Really don't know how you can think people have a sense of self entitlement when the band literally give us nothing except the same live show we've all seen 

A band doesn't owe fans proshots. Sure they are nice (and I'm glad they've started releasing them) but the majority don't just chuck them out for free.

Imagine complaining to 2014 fans that Slash and Duff were back and playing 'Coma'+'Locomotive'. You'd be laughed out.

Just read this thread, the entitlement is obvious.

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5 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

A band doesn't owe fans proshots. Sure they are nice (and I'm glad they've started releasing them) but the majority don't just chuck them out for free.

Imagine complaining to 2014 fans that Slash and Duff were back and playing 'Coma'+'Locomotive'. You'd be laughed out.

Just read this thread, the entitlement is obvious.

I think it’s different to compare the sentiment of a reunited GNR in 2014 and the current reality that we’re now down this road and there’s a certain expectation on how artists connect with their fans in 2020. 

They’ve opened that box and the expectations that come with it in the market. They can certainly choose not to interact in common ways these days, but that doesn’t save them from fan’s criticism. It’s 2020, they should be interacting in different ways through different channels. It’s great that they’ve taken this step, but to compare it to how anything else is done, it’s quite honestly the bare minimum

Now that can all change, and they should  be encouraged to do more. People want it and they can certainly find a way to turn that enthusiasm into their favor for future endeavors. I hope it works out 

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2 hours ago, Towelie said:

This is the kind of set GNR should do imo:

 

Nightrain

Hard School

Welcome To The Jungle

It's So Easy

Bad Obsession

Live & Let Die

Don't Cry

Double Talkin Jive

Locomotive

Acoustic set:

   - You Ain't The First (alternating with Used To Love Her)

   - You're Crazy (alternating with acoustic version of Civil War)

   - Patience

   - Sweet Child O Mine (whole step down to make it easier to sing, half acoustic, full band kicking in before the solo)

Atlas Shrugged

Chinese Democracy

The Seeker

Knockin On Heavens Door

Since I Don't Have You

November Rain

Mr Brownstone

Paradise City

 

If hell freezes over and they release a new album, take Locomotive, Since I Don't Have You and Double Talkin Jive out of the set and replace them with the new songs.

Since I don't have you... it's a cover, but one of my all time favourite Guns moments! I would love if they just did it every once in a while, OR if Axl played it before NV solo on Piano! there is definitely room for an Axl on piano solo moment... and towards the end Slash coming out and playing the solo on top of the piano... a guy can dream 🤣

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26 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

A band doesn't owe fans proshots. Sure they are nice (and I'm glad they've started releasing them) but the majority don't just chuck them out for free.

Imagine complaining to 2014 fans that Slash and Duff were back and playing 'Coma'+'Locomotive'. You'd be laughed out.

Just read this thread, the entitlement is obvious.

So if we don’t get shit until 2030 you’re still going to be with the argument: “oh guys, no one predicted they would be back in 2014, stop complaining”. I don’t think that’s how a band (or music) works at all.

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41 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

A band doesn't owe fans proshots. Sure they are nice (and I'm glad they've started releasing them) but the majority don't just chuck them out for free.

Imagine complaining to 2014 fans that Slash and Duff were back and playing 'Coma'+'Locomotive'. You'd be laughed out.

Just read this thread, the entitlement is obvious.

Bands aren't entitled to slavish praise just like fans aren't "entitled" to content. 

None of this is necessary and nobody is entitled to shit.

But how come Slash can pull this off?

 

But GUNS N' F'N ROSES can't.

 

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31 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

Just read this thread, the entitlement is obvious.

 

Is it entitlement, or disappointment?

I don't think many people are saying "they owe us this" or "we deserve that", but it is frustrating when we know how good this band could be. Most people seem to agree that the Salt Lake City pro-shot is a step in the right direction, but it's definitely an odd choice to release this first (poor audio and no close up shots of the lead singer isn't exactly great promotion).

That said, Double Talkin' Jive was the highlight and I'm hoping for a few more gems in the upcoming weeks.

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I think we all agree that we need more Axl closeups for the next one. Especially since you can see those there on the screens. And the mixing could be less dry to be more forgiving. Other than that, this was pretty good and I'm looking forward to more.

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20 hours ago, BreakDown2014 said:

Do you still believe that?

I get that feel when listening to the old stuff, but now his playing is completely different imo.

Nah, his tone and playing back then were different to how he plays and sounds now. 

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I like this one. Mixing isn't perfect and the mistakes are left in. Especially audible in "Chinese Democracy" The one thing I got outta these is even more respect for 4tus... and I guess I thought Slash was doing better with Chinese Democracy than he really was. He comes off as very sloppy in these videos.

If they released these shows like Metallica and Pearl Jam and you could buy a pro-shot of 'em then hell yeah I'd  be buying a few shows each month and watching them all.

The mixing is really bad in places. But overall cool thing and I like where this is going. Hopefully more will come soon.

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2 minutes ago, Powderfinger said:

Nah, his tone and playing back then were different to how he plays and sounds now. 

How about NITL vs recent Conspirators? Do you find his tone differs there, too?

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4 minutes ago, bassplayer1993 said:

I like this one. Mixing isn't perfect and the mistakes are left in. Especially audible in "Chinese Democracy" The one thing I got outta these is even more respect for 4tus... and I guess I thought Slash was doing better with Chinese Democracy than he really was. He comes off as very sloppy in these videos.

If they released these shows like Metallica and Pearl Jam and you could buy a pro-shot of 'em then hell yeah I'd  be buying a few shows each month and watching them all.

The mixing is really bad in places. But overall cool thing and I like where this is going. Hopefully more will come soon.

If they had a huge catalogue of proshots, I'd bankrupt myself, especially with 2006-10, UYI proshots. This is good though, we have such a small inventory of proshots materials, I could probably name them all off the top of my head

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1 minute ago, Ant said:

How about NITL vs recent Conspirators? Do you find his tone differs there, too?

I haven’t seen the conspirators since 2012, skipped them last few times around. He sounded better in 2012 than on the 3 NITL gigs. 

The Conspirators gigs I’ve been at were all indoor, and I’ve only saw GNR with Slash outdoors. NuGuns indoor and out. So the sound is obviously different in both environments. 

But I dunno how he sounded better outdoors in 92 than he does outdoors in 2016 & 2017

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23 minutes ago, UsedYourIllusion said:

If they had a huge catalogue of proshots, I'd bankrupt myself, especially with 2006-10, UYI proshots. This is good though, we have such a small inventory of proshots materials, I could probably name them all off the top of my head

They’re all deep down in the vault lol

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2 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

I misread the jungle thing, as you read the Chinese Democracy thing... I definitely don't think Chinese is irreplaceable, I was saying that in comparison to Prostitute it's a much, much better live song. 

Hey, I'd love if My Michelle was in more sets... but Nightrain is also one of my favourite songs and it always gets a great reaction, My Michelle is a little slower and possibly a bit more of a deeper cut in 2020, so that's why it's not always in the set.

Right, but the key is alternating the songs, not replacing them for good. How cool would that be. Well, we'll see this fall. (Unless we won't.) 

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1 hour ago, GNR_RNR said:

Yeah Estranged is a weird one. No need for the head voice yet he goes for it every time. It must just be a comfort thing for him because it just makes no sense.

It's the same things as when he switched up how he sang mr brownstone in the 90's. And since then I've just not dug any live version of brownstone (with the exception of 2010 rose bar).

His mid range is strange because it's there yet it isn't. Was listening to the "I feel good" cover from 2017 and he busts out a real nice mid voice (range of voices actually) on that. Plenty of rasp. Yet YCBM will suffer from the same thin voice issue.

I think the more Axl sings a song the 'cleaner' he will make it. I think this points to a concentrated effort  to smooth out his vocals be that for voice sparing or stylistic choices who knows.

Would love to hear way more of the 2010 'low' rasp return but I will say that using the clean voice has allowed Axl to keep his voice in pretty decent condition (in terms of range and projection etc). 

Certainly I think he could keep the head voice for SCOM. While the clean voice gets a bit too much stick on here it fits that song pretty well imo.

But NR could switch to a more 'you aint the first' type voice and would sound ace. 

The Rose Bar gig was truly an anomaly for vocal approach. Jungle stands out too because it's the only occasion beyond 1993 that I'm aware of where he does the long growl into the main riff instead of holding a long scream.

But yeah, overall I'm sure it's just a comfort thing for longevity.

Agreed on November Rain too. He could sing the whole thing in his You Ain't The First or Patience voice and it would sound totally fine.

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51 minutes ago, Ant said:

Bands aren't entitled to slavish praise just like fans aren't "entitled" to content. 

None of this is necessary and nobody is entitled to shit.

But how come Slash can pull this off?

 

But GUNS N' F'N ROSES can't.

 

this and THREE (THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!) focking Blu Rays. Why can't Guns N' Roses release some full concerts from 2016.. Axl Rose has a good body and a stabil voice in 2016.. all perfect for a official release.

Btw nice Nightrain.

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6 hours ago, jamillos said:

It definitely should be heavily altered. Think about it – how many bands do we know that keep playing more or less the same setlist with dozens of staples and just very few changes over years? When it comes down to it, there are really only some three songs that undisputedly need to be played every show: WTTJ, SCOM, and PC. Anything else can be omitted, although it would be kinda weird if it happened all at once (then again, fuck it, why not). And they’ll always play NR (unless it’s a club like Troubadour) and KOHD (I surely could do without it already). Nightrain and RQ should also be there, although Nightrain did alternate with Michelle in the old days, and RQ could do the same with something else. 
Also, why does the start always have to be Easy, Brownstone, Chinese, Jungle? Can we fucking change that already? Even if you skip one of these or replace it with something else, it would only be to the benefit of the whole thing. 
Better, Chinese, LALD, solos like WYWH, Attitude, RQ, DTJ, Seeker (especially that one!) – all these songs could be at least alternating with something. Patience with DC etc. There are many tunes with lower register that Axl could do easily, and it would help the playlist in general. Pretty Tied Up, Bad Obsession, other UYI stuff.  
But no, they always have to start with the same 4 songs and then huff and puff through the same old, same old. 
I know this topic/debate has already been discussed. Anyway, I certainly hope they’ll make HUGE changes come fall. It’s seriously moronic to keep the same setlist for years. Who does that? I personally don’t need ISE/Mr. B/CD/Jungle every show! We already know this is the band (more or less) that created AfD, we’re already aware of CD’s existence – it needs no further promotion, replace it with some other song. Like, why not Prostitute? The original has a clean voice anyway, easy-peasy.
Etc. Just make some changes. One newish song like Hard School won’t do it. It’s the whole approach that needs a goddamn upgrade. 
Sorry for the unsolicited rant. 

It’s cool mate - I agree! 😂 - I’m gonna think of my ‘workable’ setlist and post it later. I mean - Duff could do leads on Dust N Bones/14 Years EASILY too....there are a few options as you say!

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13 hours ago, GNR_RNR said:

nah again it's just not a A+ mix.

A dry mix isn't necessarily bad (in this case it's not great).

But just because something isn't exceptional doesn't mean it's trash (this forum is incapable of nuance ).

I get what you mean, and I am one of those who enjoyed overall the experience of the three songs premiered on Youtube.

But let's put it this way - if I delivered that mix to my professor back in my Mixing and Recording Techniques class back in the music college I attended, I would have failed the class without a doubt lol.  So for one of the biggest rock bands in the world to release a mix like that to me is baffling.  

Maybe they can have Caram do a quick mix using the audio files, he can send them back the mix via ProTools video that is super easy to sync up to video.  Caram did a great job with the 2017 remix of the NY show for Sirius so something like that even remotely would be very easy

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2 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

Is it entitlement, or disappointment?

I don't think many people are saying "they owe us this" or "we deserve that", but it is frustrating when we know how good this band could be. Most people seem to agree that the Salt Lake City pro-shot is a step in the right direction, but it's definitely an odd choice to release this first (poor audio and no close up shots of the lead singer isn't exactly great promotion).

That said, Double Talkin' Jive was the highlight and I'm hoping for a few more gems in the upcoming weeks.

Seriously.. I shared the link with like before it aired hoping they were gonna blow us away.. I wish I never did... The only effort put into the thing was editing out bad angles of Axl.. There were so many incredible performances of ISO and they somehow decided on a weak one?  

Hopefully they put a little more effort into this. Make something the fans can share proudly.  I know the line up isn't the greatest but they can showcase them better than that... They really need to channel the energy of the crowd in somehow. 

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1 hour ago, t-p-d-a said:

Btw nice Nightrain.

Killer performance.. Everything about that video blows away the videos Guns released the other night.. The quality.. The production... The performance... Slash's playing is so much better with those guys than with NITL.. I don't care what anyone says but I just don't hear any chemistry with Slash and Fortus... 

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