Pele Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) I recently remembered a guy on GNREvo saying that The General had been given to another band, and he put the YouTube song up. This was before Evader put the clip out for us all to hear, so I thought it would be interesting to compare. Here was his explanation: I was road manager in Universal Mexico and I was assigned to "Jaguares", a Mexican rock band. I don't remember but in 2010 the lead singer from the band was in "writers block" so we want to help. We call to HQ in USA and they send us a couple of CDS from "Untitled Project CD", we convince to Saul (lead singer) to give a chance and he likes a "BAND JAM RNG" and he creates a song from that audio. We were wondering about the band who record that and we were very surprised when the HQ call us to say "Its a Guns N Roses song, Axl Rose is working right now". I and another 6 guys were fired because Axl Rose was very fucking angry. Its was the first version of "The General". The audio is similar - you can kinda sing the 'do you recall who would do this to you, do this, to you' bits over it. Official (I think) link below. Edited May 18, 2020 by Pele 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted May 18, 2020 Author Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) In addition to the above, I do think some of the instrumental demo's will appear in other works. I've seen someone post Buckethead instrumentals that sound like Shacker's Revenge (not his original Shackler song with Bootsy Collins). I've recently read there is an album by Siren Cues called Eclectic Cinema. This features Melissa, Brian and Paul Huge - and someone said the track Cobalt is The General. I've not heard the song myself. https://www.apmmusic.com/albums/SIR-0035 I've also just read the instrumental demo 'As it Began' was released by Saive, feauring Richard Fortus and is called Goodbye. Official link below. Edited May 18, 2020 by Pele 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
©GnrPersia Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Pele said: I've also just read the instrumental demo 'As it Began' was released by Saive, feauring Richard Fortus and is called Goodbye. Official link below. shit... Now I know why I had this feeling that I've heard As It Began somewhere before. This track by Saivu was one of my favorites back in time. tnx for info! Edited May 18, 2020 by ©GnrPersia 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sosso Posted May 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) What a shame that he was fired, because he could send me some unreleased songs to fix my writers block. Edited May 18, 2020 by Sosso 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) I will say that this song is in a different key than the cell phone clip - this song is in A minor whereas the cell phone clip had the first part in E minor (the guitar solo) with a modulation to D minor for the main part (and the key the orchestral parts are in). There is no modulation in this song to begin with, as well I don't hear enough of a similarity to really consider it more than just someone making random stuff up online, with all due respect to that person of course lol I would say unless if there is legit, actual proof to confirm it beyond heresay, or a better recording of The General where we can actually make out its parts, I wouldn't put much thought into it IMO. Although that song is pretty cool in its own right, I dig it! Edited May 18, 2020 by WhazUp 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeonKinight Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Also, there's a band jam in 2011 which they play at the same BPM as this song. This was one of the things i wanted to say on a podcast 2 years ago. Now it's much too late... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattromero Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) This Volvi Para Creer doesnt sound much like The General to me, but I can get why the person think it does But Cobalt have an ambience really similar to what we've heard from The General, maybe it's inspired by it, or a alt version idk But Goodbye it's deffinetly As it Began w/o a doubt Edited May 18, 2020 by mattromero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicoGNR5 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 It’s a shame because I love As It Began and I would like to see Axl giving it vocals, maybe with a solo by Slash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wreckless Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 7 hours ago, Pele said: In addition to the above, I do think some of the instrumental demo's will appear in other works. I've seen someone post Buckethead instrumentals that sound like Shacker's Revenge (not his original Shackler song with Bootsy Collins). I've recently read there is an album by Siren Cues called Eclectic Cinema. This features Melissa, Brian and Paul Huge - and someone said the track Cobalt is The General. I've not heard the song myself. https://www.apmmusic.com/albums/SIR-0035 I've also just read the instrumental demo 'As it Began' was released by Saive, feauring Richard Fortus and is called Goodbye. Official link below. Interesting topic:) It does sound familiar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassplayer1993 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) You sure they're not just trying to promote a completely unknown band with such claims? Although stylistically... does sound like it could come from a later CHiDem session, except without great musicians. I doubt it, though. Besides - writer's block and he writes lyrics for a full song like this? Cobalt does sound a bit like the cellphone clip, though. Like a re-recorded, re-brained version. If that song was "As it began" then... what a waste Edited May 18, 2020 by bassplayer1993 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted May 18, 2020 Author Share Posted May 18, 2020 2 hours ago, bassplayer1993 said: You sure they're not just trying to promote a completely unknown band with such claims? Although stylistically... does sound like it could come from a later CHiDem session, except without great musicians. I doubt it, though. Besides - writer's block and he writes lyrics for a full song like this? Cobalt does sound a bit like the cellphone clip, though. Like a re-recorded, re-brained version. If that song was "As it began" then... what a waste The guy who posted it also said he heard GNR do an instrumental jam, and it was almost note for note with the Jaguares song. He posted the link, but unfortunately the vid is now private: I'll post the link because it doesn't actually work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inX2GkDAGl0 My theory is that the guy heard the instrumental jam, and thought 'that sounds like Y Volvi Para Creer by Jaguares' and made up the story. I haven't heard Cobalt - where can you listen to it? It's written by the guy who wrote the music for The General, so safe to say there is some connection there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimalScream Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, Pele said: I haven't heard Cobalt - where can you listen to it? On the APM link you posted there's a play button for each track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted May 18, 2020 Author Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) This has the makings of an interesting thread. I've also been told that a band called 'The Friendly Indians' played Going Down live in 1998 or 1999. There may be a link the bands bass player and Tommy. EDIT - this appears to be a rumor started on the Brazilian Axl Rose Fan Club without any basis Edited May 18, 2020 by Pele 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAFC Nick Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 15 hours ago, Pele said: In addition to the above, I do think some of the instrumental demo's will appear in other works. I've seen someone post Buckethead instrumentals that sound like Shacker's Revenge (not his original Shackler song with Bootsy Collins). I've recently read there is an album by Siren Cues called Eclectic Cinema. This features Melissa, Brian and Paul Huge - and someone said the track Cobalt is The General. I've not heard the song myself. https://www.apmmusic.com/albums/SIR-0035 I've also just read the instrumental demo 'As it Began' was released by Saive, feauring Richard Fortus and is called Goodbye. Official link below. Wow! If I had heard this with no context, I'd be saying it sounded similar but was quite coincidental, but with the Fortus link this substantiates it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSoftie Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 22 hours ago, Pele said: In addition to the above, I do think some of the instrumental demo's will appear in other works. I've seen someone post Buckethead instrumentals that sound like Shacker's Revenge (not his original Shackler song with Bootsy Collins). I've recently read there is an album by Siren Cues called Eclectic Cinema. This features Melissa, Brian and Paul Huge - and someone said the track Cobalt is The General. I've not heard the song myself. https://www.apmmusic.com/albums/SIR-0035 I've also just read the instrumental demo 'As it Began' was released by Saive, feauring Richard Fortus and is called Goodbye. Official link below. Why... I really enjoy AIB. I will be really devasted if they've given this away never to be finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfTheWave Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Right at 20 seconds in Cobalt sounds like it's going to turn into The General but it doesn't quite go there. Similar but I don't think it's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 19 hours ago, NeonKinight said: Also, there's a band jam in 2011 which they play at the same BPM as this song. This was one of the things i wanted to say on a podcast 2 years ago. Now it's much too late... Can you give us a link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinaleblood Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) As It Began started when Fortus wasn't in the band yet. The mix on the locker cds is dated Nivember 2000 if I remember well. That's almost two years before Fortus joined. Why would Fortus use a GNR song predating his involvment for some obscure collaboration? I can hear the similarities in sound, but the chord progression is different. Do we have a source stating the credits for that Goodbye song? Discogs maybe? Edited May 19, 2020 by Twinaleblood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Twinaleblood said: As It Began started when Fortus wasn't in the band yet. The mix on the locker cds is dated Nivember 2000 if I remember well. That's almost two years before Fortus joined. Why would Fortus use a GNR song predating his involvment for some obscure collaboration? I can hear the similarities in sound, but the chord progression is different. Do we have a source stating the credits for that Goodbye song? Discogs maybe? This is all I could find: "First single from upcoming Sáivu album. Song is written and performed by Sáivu and Richard Fortus of Guns n Roses." From their soundcloud page 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finck2006 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 On 20/5/2020 at 10:18 PM, Creed said: The guitar sounds like a bucket melody. And that break at 3:00 also sounds like of the leaks. Might be, maxbe Fernando will answer. I dont think they gave a song that was intended to be released and that sone of us heard in 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 On the edge I slide Slow as time goes by Love on your knees, untie your insides This is how I invent myself and this is how I exist I am the war I am the fight God without ruthless heaven be Be without beginning your first step This is how I invent myself and this is how I exist On the edge I start And I'm wrong in your vastness Folding hands we will be Immaculate race Unfolding souls We will make redeemable gods So ... I invent myself and so I exist So ... I invent myself and so I exist So ... I invent myself and so I exist That's how I invent myself and that's how I exist! And I came back to believe To live... And I came back to believe To live... And I came back to believe To live... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightrain7 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Ive heard a few mins of the General last year. Very deep, dark and eerie song from the lyrics and tone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattromero Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Nightrain7 said: Ive heard a few mins of the General last year. Very deep, dark and eerie song from the lyrics and tone. How did you got access to the song? Edited May 23, 2020 by mattromero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 On 17/05/2020 at 9:24 PM, Pele said: In addition to the above, I do think some of the instrumental demo's will appear in other works. I've seen someone post Buckethead instrumentals that sound like Shacker's Revenge (not his original Shackler song with Bootsy Collins). I've recently read there is an album by Siren Cues called Eclectic Cinema. This features Melissa, Brian and Paul Huge - and someone said the track Cobalt is The General. I've not heard the song myself. https://www.apmmusic.com/albums/SIR-0035 I've also just read the instrumental demo 'As it Began' was released by Saive, feauring Richard Fortus and is called Goodbye. Official link below. Cobalt has nothing to do with The General IMO. Maybe the tempo, which says nothing really. The Sáivu song - great solo there. It actually reminded me of Robin's solo in Perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLotus1111 Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 On 5/22/2020 at 8:10 PM, Nightrain7 said: Ive heard a few mins of the General last year. Very deep, dark and eerie song from the lyrics and tone. Are you joking or serious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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