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Fernando now claiming COVID “prevented Guns from releasing new material”

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8 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

We are literally getting a new shirt every week what the fuck:

https://instagram.com/stories/gunsnroses/2312738748013260487?igshid=1ptaertjw8b0w

It’s a crazy thought, but what if they released something from 1986 on YouTube and then threw out some merch like this behind it?

Otherwise, what does “The Hell Tour” have to do with anything this band is doing in 2020? The AFD reissue is done 

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4 hours ago, Alejandro GNR said:

I dont understand some of you comparing a new Axl and Slash release to new stuff by the Stones or Pearl Jam or whoever.

I get the frustration, I myself become VERY frustated by the lack of new material.

But come on! Whatever may be left of hard rock fans are waiting for Axl and Slash’s new music. THEY CANT FAIL.

The Stones surely wrote that tune in 3 minutes and its a good song, but they dont need to surpass any expectation. Their carreer already did that.

GnR has a limited catalogue, and now that Axl and Slash are together again they must try their best to release something not forgettable.

I get the need of time on THIS PARTICULAR ALBUM.

I hope they get something like Maiden when Bruce came back and they killed it with Brave New World. 
 

 

As much as I do agree with the concept of letting the band take its time to write, record and release the best album they can possibly make - I just am worried that said time could also give us a Chinese Democracy situation where tinkering for the sake of "we have to make it perfect" will suck the organic life out of another GNR release

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41 minutes ago, guitarpatch said:

It’s a crazy thought, but what if they released something from 1986 on YouTube and then threw out some merch like this behind it?

Otherwise, what does “The Hell Tour” have to do with anything this band is doing in 2020? The AFD reissue is done 

Honestly they could have done so much with that. My very first thought off the top of my head is use some of that footage and photos that marc canter has, you know a full BOOK of photographs to promote the merch.

if I recall correctly though, the hell ‘TOUR’ was actually just 1 show in Seattle and it took a couple of days to make it out there because of car/van troubles and tensions in the band (probably mostly Axl complaining about being around drunks)

It really seems like a big fuss about virtually nothing, especially when we won’t even get content from that show. I don’t even think Marc has content from that show because it was in Seattle. So, again I don’t see a point besides charging us $60 for a Polo that probably cost $3 per unit with a $2 iron on patch. 

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Yup. I just read the ‘Hell Tour’ section of Marc Canters book. Slash and Duff both say they had a bunch of shows planned in Oregon and Washington State, probably mostly Seattle, yet they cancelled most of the other dates except for the one they could make in Seattle. They ended up playing San Francisco on the way back down. So, yeah. 2 shows. ‘hell tour.’

only GNR can attempt to profit off a tour they essentially cancelled 35 years ago.

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If GNR didn’t attempt to profit off cancelled tours, they’d be out of business! (I kid I kid.. I know they’d done like a thousand successful big concerts :D)

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17 minutes ago, PirateRadio said:

If GNR didn’t attempt to profit off cancelled tours, they’d be out of business! (I kid I kid.. I know they’d done like a thousand successful big concerts :D)

Pretty funny to me when this was done 1 week after GNR’s manager says “I think doing old stuff would be wrong” 

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2 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

Pretty funny to me when this was done 1 week after GNR’s manager says “I think doing old stuff would be wrong” 

Ladies and gentlemen, the one and only: Fernandon’t

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3 hours ago, ToonGuns said:

Yep. Leave Bucket and Robin alone.

Release "new" music now. Not reworked CD stuff.

Save Bucket etc for a future CD boxset clear out.

I don't understand the mindset around erasing that part of GnR / any part of GnR that doesn't include Slash from history. Many bands have multiple line ups, some more successful than others, but all deserve respect.

I love Slash, but don't erase history.

That's a great idea, I'd totally support that. 

A 3 disc CD re-release with everything, using all 3 of the covers would be awesome.

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2 hours ago, guitarpatch said:

It’s a crazy thought, but what if they released something from 1986 on YouTube and then threw out some merch like this behind it?

Otherwise, what does “The Hell Tour” have to do with anything this band is doing in 2020? The AFD reissue is done 

Each week release a new concert on YouTube along with a tie-in t-shirt available on the online store with all proceeds going to to COVID relief.

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16 minutes ago, James Bond said:

Each week release a new concert on YouTube along with a tie-in t-shirt available on the online store with all proceeds going to to COVID relief.

Just have the shirts fund part of the time/editing needed to get that stuff on YouTube. I’d have no problem with them making $ off something like this. If they want to donate all the better. 
 

Once a week, once a month, or say you’ll do a specific number. You could encompass the history of the band, create some excitement amongst die hards, and have some pretty cool limited one off merch choices that will prob sell better than a random Hell Tour polo 

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2 hours ago, StayofExecution2020 said:

He can't. There's a pandemic going on. Fernandon't should tell him that.

To be fair to Fernando, NIN / Trent are taking a completely different approach to releasing music since about 2009. NIN/Trent basically just makes it and releases it and that's as far as it goes, it comes and goes in a blink of an eye. I think GNR are trying to figure out how to release their (hypothetical as yet) album, and get maximum exposure and maximum staying power. I know that GNR have mountains of material, but if they don't want to release it then, so be it until they do decide to release it. I want to hear the best record they can make, not the best half hearted 'get something out to plug a gap' record... and I'm saying that and I want to hear new music as much as anybody here. GNR have always taken extraordinarily long to do anything, this will never change, hoping that it will is pointless 30+ years in😅

The last NIN records I can name or remember being released were With teeth and Ghosts... I would be curious to see how the later NIN albums have been selling. I don't entirely agree with his method of releasing music, but it is his to do what he wants with it. Has there been anything worthwhile? I wouldn't even know where to start to look.

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2 hours ago, StayofExecution2020 said:

So they're selling hell tour shirts but fernandon't won't upload shows from the illusion tour? Yea fuck him

He didn't say they won't release UYI tour footage, he just said that right now the focus is going to be on footage/audio from NITL shows. Lot's of people want to see the recent shows that they were at, this makes a lot more sense than digging up archive footage from 20-30yrs ago... and yes, of course I want to see AFD/UYI era footage too but getting ANYTHING is a miracle!! 

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3 hours ago, guitarpatch said:

It’s a crazy thought, but what if they released something from 1986 on YouTube and then threw out some merch like this behind it?

Otherwise, what does “The Hell Tour” have to do with anything this band is doing in 2020? The AFD reissue is done 

Come see Guns N Roses on the "What The Hell™ Are We Even Doing Anymore?" Tour. 

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22 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

He didn't say they won't release UYI tour footage, he just said that right now the focus is going to be on footage/audio from NITL shows. Lot's of people want to see the recent shows that they were at, this makes a lot more sense than digging up archive footage from 20-30yrs ago... and yes, of course I want to see AFD/UYI era footage too but getting ANYTHING is a miracle!! 

Well since we’re just hanging out waiting and there are no shows, just say something like this...

“It’s the 35th anniversary of the infamous Hell Tour!!! In celebration of its roots, GNR is deciding to release 10 concerts from its past over the coming weeks/months on YouTube.”

Link to Hell Tour Shirt Polo

You could then even tie in NITL shows as a possible lead in for rescheduled 2021 dates or a possible single or album release.

Fans want content at this time. They want something to look forward to on whatever day it is. It’s hard to get attention/eyeballs at times and it’s there if they choose to interact. Much safer bet to release old shows you’d never monetize than your comeback album 

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1 hour ago, NicoGNR5 said:

Ladies and gentlemen, the one and only: Fernandon’t

The guy lucked into the easiest gig in history, basically. Became manager of Guns N' Roses because Axl felt a connection to his mother.

 

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This one video clip did more for the ‘hell tour’ than any amount of merch ever will:

i wish we could get Axl’s point of view... oh wait

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14 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

To be fair though, at least what he says in term of the copyright strikes makes sense and if he is speaking the truth and following up on seeing to it that those strikes get removed, kudos to him.

Except he never would've needed to do this if they had taken care of certain individuals back when the takedowns were starting. Instead they turned a blind eye and did nothing for 2 years or so, and now they want to repair the damage that they did nothing to prevent in the first place?

I listened to a little bit of the interview. Fernando seems like a cool guy to hang out with but I'm not sure I would want him managing my band.

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37 minutes ago, Old_school_gnr_fan said:

The guy lucked into the easiest gig in history, basically. Became manager of Guns N' Roses because Axl felt a connection to his mother.

 

He became gnr manager because he does what Axl says and does not do anything that might annoy him, simple as that... if the other managers had held on and not tried to persuade the unpersuadable Axl to do things he didn't  want to, they would still be managing. 

Fernando manages because he does not rock the boat and he said all of the above in the chat. 

Of course his in, was that Beta became Axls assistant. 

I personally don't think he should be managing a band this size straight out of the gate.  I know he says he has been working for gnr for 20yrs, but that was not in a managerial position. He has 10yrs experience as a manager, he does not have business training... he studied computers. He compared his appointment as manager to past guys like Doug etc. Really they haven't had effective management since Niven. Irving was also a genius too, but flew too close to the sun😄

Takeaway for me is. 1. He is a decent guy. 2. He can be a bit condescending when he thinks fans are targeting him. 3. He is very aware of the core fans opinion on him and guns and is interested in smoothing our the wrinkles... 3. He will never push Axl to do anything if he thinks Axl will push back in any way... and that is very disappointing. 4. He isn't  aware of how Metallica are managed? In short Metallica are managed Professionally and effectively, with an eye on the business! Which is pleasing the core fanbase - constant updates, constant live video releases, band q&a sessions, interviews, remastered boxers that are affordable... the list goes on.

 

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11 hours ago, KeyserSoze said:

And are we really comparing GNR to Kiss now??? Kiss, a band with TWENTY FOUR studio albums??? Jesus, give it a rest please

GNR are far worse than KISS when it comes to the fanbase and music releases

Merch wise they are similar with selling any crap merch they can think of but thats about it

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Guns has 1 album that is better than Kiss' entire 24 album collection COMBINED.  Kiss sucks ass, most overrated band in the history of rock music.  I do wish Guns would have released more music over the years however.  It is incredibly frustrating.

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Hey Admins, can we change the quote in the title to  “If the tours weren’t as they are now, we would have had music by now. I believe.” As the direct quote from Fernando? Its pretty much the same as whats up there, but I was quoting a fan page before I came across the actual video. Not trying to discredit Fernando anymore than he thinks he is.

also, theres this:

 

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