Ant Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 (edited) I'm just curious how people came to the assumption that these are demos. The reason I ask is because people seem to be using the defense "THEY'RE JUST DEMOS PEOPLE, DEMOS" to explain away any possible faults the songs have. When I was listening to some UYI demo songs last summer, I remember them being really rough, missing some "effects", and Axl would even say things briefly in between lyrics like "this will be changed" etc. While these on the other hand are quite polished sounding from a production prespective are they not, and Buckethead isn't around to do any tinkering anymore.Are people just fooling themselves when saying this? Couldn't they actually be final versions? Or do you think the final versions of the songs will be quite different? Edited February 24, 2006 by Ant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave-gnfnr2k Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 You can tell but the mixing and the vocals are not touched up yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersillyspacemonkey Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 (edited) I'm just curious how people came to the assumption that these are demos. The reason I ask is because people seem to be using the defense "THEY'RE JUST DEMOS PEOPLE, DEMOS" to explain away any possible faults the songs have. When I was listening to some UYI demo songs last summer, I remember them being really rough, missing some "effects", and Axl would even say things briefly in between lyrics like "this will be changed" etc. While these on the other hand are quite polished sounding from a production prespective are they not, and Buckethead isn't around to do any tinkering anymore.Are people just fooling themselves when saying this? Couldn't they actually be final versions? Or do you think the final versions of the songs will be quite different?they are demos.they came from a demo cd.thats how we know.no one has the entire cd as of now either. Edited February 24, 2006 by supersillyspacemonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaddisonmoore Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 uyi demos are from 15 years ago recording has changed a little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsguy Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 I'm just curious how people came to the assumption that these are demos. The reason I ask is because people seem to be using the defense "THEY'RE JUST DEMOS PEOPLE, DEMOS" to explain away any possible faults the songs have. When I was listening to some UYI demo songs last summer, I remember them being really rough, missing some "effects", and Axl would even say things briefly in between lyrics like "this will be changed" etc. While these on the other hand are quite polished sounding from a production prespective are they not, and Buckethead isn't around to do any tinkering anymore.Are people just fooling themselves when saying this? Couldn't they actually be final versions? Or do you think the final versions of the songs will be quite different?they are demos.they came from a demo cd.thats how we know.no one has the entire cd as of now either.oh..... no?GUnsguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giblet Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 The production, the levels, the mixing. Everything sounds "cheap" if you know what I mean. It doesn't sound mastered, and some of the tones in the songs leave a lot to be desired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimb0 Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 I'm just curious how people came to the assumption that these are demos. The reason I ask is because people seem to be using the defense "THEY'RE JUST DEMOS PEOPLE, DEMOS" to explain away any possible faults the songs have. When I was listening to some UYI demo songs last summer, I remember them being really rough, missing some "effects", and Axl would even say things briefly in between lyrics like "this will be changed" etc. While these on the other hand are quite polished sounding from a production prespective are they not, and Buckethead isn't around to do any tinkering anymore.Are people just fooling themselves when saying this? Couldn't they actually be final versions? Or do you think the final versions of the songs will be quite different?they are demos.they came from a demo cd.thats how we know.no one has the entire cd as of now either.oh..... no?GUnsguyWhat do you mean no?Yeah recording has changed from analog to digital most likely this time around. These are demos b/c the mixing is horrible. 13 Million Dollars buys you a lot better mixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersillyspacemonkey Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 I'm just curious how people came to the assumption that these are demos. The reason I ask is because people seem to be using the defense "THEY'RE JUST DEMOS PEOPLE, DEMOS" to explain away any possible faults the songs have. When I was listening to some UYI demo songs last summer, I remember them being really rough, missing some "effects", and Axl would even say things briefly in between lyrics like "this will be changed" etc. While these on the other hand are quite polished sounding from a production prespective are they not, and Buckethead isn't around to do any tinkering anymore.Are people just fooling themselves when saying this? Couldn't they actually be final versions? Or do you think the final versions of the songs will be quite different?they are demos.they came from a demo cd.thats how we know.no one has the entire cd as of now either.oh..... no?GUnsguyWhat do you mean no?Yeah recording has changed from analog to digital most likely this time around. These are demos b/c the mixing is horrible. 13 Million Dollars buys you a lot better mixing.im not sure.was that first guy disagreeing with me or somethign?weird.anyway yeah youre right second guy.good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetaSouL Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 (edited) Its fair to say the songs are not mixed beyond a rough demo mix. This is where all of the complaints come in about "that doesn't really fit" or "that doesn't really flow", representative of the seperate sections worked on independantly then pieced together roughly. You will see, those transitions that people are complaining about in the middle of "Better" will be bad ass on the final mix....or so my magic 8-ball tells me. Edited February 24, 2006 by MetaSouL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurpleHaze Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 The only way these songs are not demos is if the sound quality has been purposefully reduced before leaking them... otherwise, no. Poor sound quality, drum machines, rough mixing and mastering. No way these are final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbirdie76 Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 I've said before - I think there's gonna be disappointment.People sayin, they'll be better etc.I think these are the done songs. Done and done. Who the hell layers like 5 vocal tracks for a demo?? With layered backing vocals, all the little guitar nuances...no these are the real deal I think (and am afraid for some people). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl-rocks Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 They are definitly demos.They sound to weak to be the final product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 I've said before - I think there's gonna be disappointment.People sayin, they'll be better etc.I think these are the done songs. Done and done. Who the hell layers like 5 vocal tracks for a demo?? With layered backing vocals, all the little guitar nuances...no these are the real deal I think (and am afraid for some people).I do that for demos.Just because they are demos doesn't mean I do a half-assed job. And if I, a high school kid, don't do a half-assed job, I'm sure Mr. Axl doesn't do a half-assed job with his demos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetaSouL Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Who the hell layers like 5 vocal tracks for a demo?? With layered backing vocals, all the little guitar nuances...Axl Rose, the man who works on an album for 10+ years, that's who. He probably wanted to record the entire album as a trial run before the real deal...remember all of the demo versions of Don't Cry (at least 4 that I heard). You can do a lot in 10 years. The album will deliver. If the demo of Better was mixed and mastered professionally it would be groundbreaking in my opinion...and I believe we will get much more than that...I don't even think these demo recordings will be on the album, we will likely hear that which follows the trail run material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Drama Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 The only one that sounds like it might not be a demo, is IRS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimb0 Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 I've said before - I think there's gonna be disappointment.People sayin, they'll be better etc.I think these are the done songs. Done and done. Who the hell layers like 5 vocal tracks for a demo?? With layered backing vocals, all the little guitar nuances...no these are the real deal I think (and am afraid for some people).Axl Rose will easily do up to 5 vocal tracks for the finished product. Listen to AFD and Illusions he has three octaves going at some times. He fattens them up. Yeah. Also keep in mind, these are some shitty ass mp3's. 160 190? Nothing CLOSE to 320. Another reason why these Suck in quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 I've said before - I think there's gonna be disappointment.People sayin, they'll be better etc.I think these are the done songs. Done and done. Who the hell layers like 5 vocal tracks for a demo?? With layered backing vocals, all the little guitar nuances...no these are the real deal I think (and am afraid for some people).Axl Rose will easily do up to 5 vocal tracks for the finished product. Listen to AFD and Illusions he has three octaves going at some times. He fattens them up. Yeah. Also keep in mind, these are some shitty ass mp3's. 160 190? Nothing CLOSE to 320. Another reason why these Suck in quality.Yeah, not that I think these aren't demos, but to offer a different side... you reach a certain point and it doesn't matter, because the human ear can't hear the difference between 300 and 320. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetaSouL Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 (edited) I've said before - I think there's gonna be disappointment.People sayin, they'll be better etc.I think these are the done songs. Done and done. Who the hell layers like 5 vocal tracks for a demo?? With layered backing vocals, all the little guitar nuances...no these are the real deal I think (and am afraid for some people).Axl Rose will easily do up to 5 vocal tracks for the finished product. Listen to AFD and Illusions he has three octaves going at some times. He fattens them up. Yeah. Also keep in mind, these are some shitty ass mp3's. 160 190? Nothing CLOSE to 320. Another reason why these Suck in quality.The fact that these appear to be demos has little to do with bitrate. The mix itself, the transitions from verse to bridge, bridge to chorus, chorus to breakdown, have not been mixed or mastered with the great care we are certain Mr Rose will insist upon.Yeah, not that I think these aren't demos, but to offer a different side... you reach a certain point and it doesn't matter, because the human ear can't hear the difference between 300 and 320.Its not bitrate that makes the trained ear detarmine if it a demo or not, its the mix, the transition from verse to bridge, bridge to chorus, etc. I doubt Axl would spend ten years recording and one day mixing. Edited February 24, 2006 by MetaSouL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macunaima Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 I'm just curious how people came to the assumption that these are demos. The reason I ask is because people seem to be using the defense "THEY'RE JUST DEMOS PEOPLE, DEMOS" to explain away any possible faults the songs have.Are people just fooling themselves when saying this? Couldn't they actually be final versions? Or do you think the final versions of the songs will be quite different?I asked the same question here a couple of days ago. No one had a very convincing answer. Maybe the sound quality isn't great, but there are so many different layers of sound...who the fuck does that for a demo?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetaSouL Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 but there are so many different layers of sound...who the fuck does that for a demo?!Axl Rose, as we said, the man who took over ten years to make an album. He probably demanded the entire album to be recorded 12 times and then picked the best of the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister_Smiley Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 well their eather demo's or Axl got a pritty shitty music mixer, i mean 17 million and these are the finals, i don't think so. I beleive that they are demo's i wouldn't be suprized if their are some things changed and the final version blow your head away. But who knows. Only Axl does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetaSouL Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 well their eather demo's or Axl got a pritty shitty music mixer, i mean 17 million and these are the finals, i don't think so. I beleive that they are demo's i wouldn't be suprized if their are some things changed and the final version blow your head away. But who knows. Only Axl does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Sparkle Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 I'm just curious how people came to the assumption that these are demos. The reason I ask is because people seem to be using the defense "THEY'RE JUST DEMOS PEOPLE, DEMOS" to explain away any possible faults the songs have. When I was listening to some UYI demo songs last summer, I remember them being really rough, missing some "effects", and Axl would even say things briefly in between lyrics like "this will be changed" etc. While these on the other hand are quite polished sounding from a production prespective are they not, and Buckethead isn't around to do any tinkering anymore.Are people just fooling themselves when saying this? Couldn't they actually be final versions? Or do you think the final versions of the songs will be quite different?oh dear god... you can't be serious? Please never listen to music EVER AGAIN. Yeah I am sure Axl is going to have some dude playing a DRUM MACHINE out on tour. You can't tell by the sloppyness? There is NO WAY IRS is even close to final. The closest one to final version is TWAT. Sorry to be a dick, but this has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever read. Ever.That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macunaima Posted February 24, 2006 Share Posted February 24, 2006 oh dear god... you can't be serious? Please never listen to music EVER AGAIN. Yeah I am sure Axl is going to have some dude playing a DRUM MACHINE out on tour.He used a drum machine at RIR back in 2001. Lots of musicians use drum machines for live shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant Posted February 24, 2006 Author Share Posted February 24, 2006 (edited) I'm just curious how people came to the assumption that these are demos. The reason I ask is because people seem to be using the defense "THEY'RE JUST DEMOS PEOPLE, DEMOS" to explain away any possible faults the songs have. When I was listening to some UYI demo songs last summer, I remember them being really rough, missing some "effects", and Axl would even say things briefly in between lyrics like "this will be changed" etc. While these on the other hand are quite polished sounding from a production prespective are they not, and Buckethead isn't around to do any tinkering anymore.Are people just fooling themselves when saying this? Couldn't they actually be final versions? Or do you think the final versions of the songs will be quite different?oh dear god... you can't be serious? Please never listen to music EVER AGAIN. Yeah I am sure Axl is going to have some dude playing a DRUM MACHINE out on tour. You can't tell by the sloppyness? There is NO WAY IRS is even close to final. The closest one to final version is TWAT. Sorry to be a dick, but this has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever read. Ever.That is all.Err After hearing shit like Silkworms, seeing Axl looking like a french poodle, and hearing how different his voice was on the 2002 tours, you can't rule anything out at this point . I asked because the circumstances surrounding the leaks are suspicous, and I have doubts that they're from that trunk CD from a few years ago (got the feeling these are more recent). Drum machines are pretty common in modern music, why rule it out? Edited February 24, 2006 by Ant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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