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  1. Isn’t it time to shut down the topic altogether. I mean, how much speculation bullshit can we spew out of our desperate mouths 😔
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  2. I'm bumping this now because I've looked it up. WTTJ was in Billboard's Sept. 9, 1987 listing of new video clips (so it didn't become available on Sept. 28, but earlier): https://worldradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-Business/Music/Billboard-Index/IDX/1987/1987-09-12-Billboard-Page-0083.pdf BUT: the fact that the video was released (=became available for broadcast) on a certain date, doesn't mean that it was aired on MTV on that same date or close to it. In fact, as per Tom Zutaut, band members, Doug Goldstein etc., some time passed until MTV aired it. MTV's CEO, Tom Freston, confirmed Zutaut's story in this article from 1991: According to MTV's Freston, Geffen Records founder David Geffen personally called him to urge the network to play a video by a new band named Guns N' Roses. The network, stung by viewer allegations that MTV was playing too much heavy-metal rock, initially passed on the band's premiere video, titled "Welcome to the Jungle." After much prodding and pressure, the network played "Welcome to the Jungle' in the early morning. Response was so overwhelming that the clip eventually made it to prime time, where reaction became explosive. MTV helped make Guns N' Roses one of the biggest rock 'n' roll acts in the world. https://greensboro.com/10-years-of-mtv-music-television-cable-network-put-its-label-on-music-of-the/article_0cff721c-1e5c-5dd9-a578-2979f1c4f1f4.html Later Freston clarified that David Geffen's phone call was not about first airing the video, but about moving it to regular rotation. According to Freston and Tom Hunter (VP of MTV programming at the time), the video was first aired on Headbangers Ball: TOM HUNTER: When they submitted “Welcome to the Jungle,” we accepted it for Headbangers Ball , which was typically what we’d do with a video that extreme. Axl was twitching in an electric chair! EDDIE ROSENBLATT (Geffen VP): Geffen Records had sold a couple hundred thousand albums and MTV still wouldn’t play the video. I sent my weekly sales report on the album to Lee Masters, and I got on the phone and made him read it with me. TOM FRESTON: The programming group decided to put “Welcome to the Jungle” on Headbangers Ball for starters. Not in regular rotation. It was getting played a couple of times a week. David Geffen called me and said, “Every time you guys play this thing at 3 A.M. , our sales light up. Please leave it on.” Normally, I would never tell the programming guys what to put into rotation. But this was David Geffen. JOHN CANNELLI (MTV senior VP): There was controversy over how much to play “Welcome to the Jungle.” Our GM, Lee Masters, thought we were playing too much hard rock. Lee and Tom Hunter, the guys with radio backgrounds, were afraid of the video. Tom got some pressure from Geffen, so we put it on the overnights, and all of a sudden we started getting requests. Then we played it in the afternoon, and from there it went through the roof. And I became GNR’s guy at the network. We did one of Axl’s first MTV interviews at my apartment in Chelsea. TOM HUNTER: Freston called me and said we had to play “Welcome to the Jungle” in regular rotation. I said, “Have you seen the video?” He said, “One of the pieces of advice I got from Pittman was: When David Geffen calls, pay attention. And Geffen called me.” [...] If we added it into regular rotation, we’d get shit from other managers and labels whose hard rock videos we wouldn’t play. So I handwrote it into the programming log—that way, the add wouldn’t appear in trade magazines. I gave it two plays a day in regular rotation. It got an amazing number of calls right out of the box. [Source: I Want My MTV; The Uncensored Story of the Music Video Revolution, 2011] * At that time, Headbangers Ball was broadcast once a week at 00:00-2:00 am (and maybe the episodes were being re-aired one more time during the week). The WTTJ video was played in the band interview on Headbangers Ball (with the staged trashing of the set) on October 24, 1987. From the interview it sounds like that could have been the first time it was played, but probably, going by Zutaut's story about the party, it had been played a couple of times before . It was also mentioned during the interview that they had problems getting the video on TV and Axl said that they had to edit out some of the news footage in it. Later (April 1988) Slash would say something similar In an interview on December 26, 1987, Axl commented that the video was getting very little airplay. * Billboard published MTV's programming every week, listing the videos that were on various regular rotation rates (heavy, medium etc.) and the new additions for each week. WTTJ didn't appear there until the second week of January 1988, when it was listed in the new adds (which means that it would be played, at most, seven times a week): The next week it was moved to "breakout rotation" (which was a category for "potential hits" and meant three plays per 24 hours maximum for four weeks, and then it would be "evaluated" for moving to another category). Then on February 10 it was moved to "medium rotation" meaning also a maximum of three plays a day. In late February the "medium rotation" category was absorbed by the "buzz bin" category, so WWTJ moved there. I didn't look further. * TL;DR: The video was released (=made available for airplay) around September 12, 1987. It wasn't on MTV's rotation (either light, medium or heavy) until the second week of January 1988. Before that, it had been played only on Headbangers Ball - probably starting from sometime in October - which means that it was played twice a week at most (supposing it was played on every Headbanger episode, which is unlikely), so it got very little airplay on MTV. Then it seems that after pressure from Eddie Rosenblatt MTV added it to its regular rotation in January 1988, but still it was played during the night. And then David Geffen called them personally and they moved it to regular hours airplay. EDIT: So probably Zutaut is referring to the first time it was aired on Headbangers Ball (i.e. sometime in October 1987). However, the rest of his story doesn't match with the dates above, since it took more than two months for the video to be put on regular rotation.
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  3. Like everything else GnR related, this will be shit.
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  4. C'mon boys and girls, forget all this nonsense about a new GNR album... there's more chance of a Led Zeppelin reunion at this stage! Besides, it's much much much more rewarding, fun, and interesting to talk about the different EQ and level mixes from the leaked CD sessions and speculate about how successful these tracks would've been had they been released in 2001! And let's not forget about the legendary 2002 VMA rehearsal tape either! I for one am salivating at the prospect of one day seeing that! That's literally all there is. Sad times! Most dangerous band in the world? Possibly more the most disappointing band in the world.
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  5. Isn't it time to take Susan out of the topic's title?
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  6. If they'd put out a new record on a regular basis, like every 3-5 years, then I wouldn't mind covers on their records but after 30 years they should be able to fill an album with 14 own songs.
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  7. Axl on I Feel Good sounded more like vintage Axl than almost every song performed over the NITL tour. And that’s really fucking odd if you ask me. But it made for a great performance in my opinion.
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  8. Because I love a thread on comparing different mixes if the Chinese songs... CD - Josh drumming version. Tommy's bass is so hard. I love Buckets contributions though, presumably the 2007 leak is probably from around 2002 after his solo had been added, but the mix is different to the locker leak and the intro is absolute stupid. The Blues - maybe the Brain mix. The keyboard strings are cool. Riad - the Beaven mix is so cool. Heavy as fuck, the tambourine, bass, again is nice and raw and punky. Why did they neuter this track so much. If the world - actually the album mix for the real drums. The locker version sounds a bit messy and there's no drum roll in to the chorus. The 2008 leak has some nice funky guitar in the second chorus but, and I can't believe I'm saying this, I actually prefer Frank's drumming on it. Sorry - album version as the demo is instrumental. But... remember when Sebastian said it was like doom metal, the locker leak version had the heaviest grinding guitars, he wasn't kidding. As with all the tracks, had its balls chopped off on the album. IRS - not sure on this one. I actually like the sleazy guitars on the antiquiet leak in the last verse. and Dizzys nice electric piano sound. And Buckets solo is killer. But the drums are nice on the locker mix with Joshs heavy sound. Madagascar - the Brain drums up version sounds big and kinda Levee Breaks style which is how it should be. It's an epic, a big gun. I can see him sat in the attic with his drum transcripts all around him as he recorded this one. Only thing that let's it down is not having real strings. Catcher - they replace BRIAN May with bumble. Only in Gnr... Bumble is my least fave guitarist from guns. Dunno what it is about him. Just not a good fit, a poor man's bucket head. Prostitute - actually no idea. The bucket head bits are superb but the RTB version is pretty simple and I love the more stripped back approach. It's a bit Queen in places. The Antiquiet leak is pretty solid though, being a nice mix off the versions essentially. Not keen on how the drums are mixed though. Bumble is on this track, what dies he do exactly? A 3rd rhythm guitarist pretty much. Sums up the final album. Twat - 2006 long version for Buckets solo. RTB because it's a bit weird that there's minimal guitars in the verses and the chorus riff is killer. 1999 mix is interesting with the strings in the verse. I like Robins solo in this one a lot. I dunno, every version has its good points. Apart from the album one. Bassically anything but the album. Bumble was unnescary as was Frank. Album could have come out 2006, yes it's 6 years late but it had BH and still sounded heavy. With each new crop of leaks they seem to get lighter and less bass and drums. Had it have come out in 2001 I think it would have sounded amazing and so cool, but minimal BH contributions. Hes barely on the 2001 CD tracks, cd2 would have probably been the BH one with stuff like Devious Bastard, Sorry, Zodiac etc. A darker heavier album. Meaner. Ahhh if only this had happened. We'd have probably had cd3 by 2004, BH wouldn't have left so soon and we wouldn't have had the Ashba years.
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  9. That sounds right. I think it was a Memorial Day weekend and I was going to be away with the family, so I taped the Headbanger's Ball. I remember that after the first time I watched it I brought it over to a buddy's house so he could see it too.
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  10. More likely they just thought that was Erin in the picture. I've seen that picture mislabeled as Erin before.
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  11. Okay, according to this Headbangers Ball fan site https://www.headbangersballunofficialtributesite.com/episode-database WTTJ was first aired on Headbangers Ball on September 5, 1987, so right upon its release - the Billboard issue listing it as a new release covered the week of 5-12 September 1987. Then it was played on most subsequent Headbangers Ball shows, so until early 1988 it was played on MTV about twice a week. So it looks like the question is answered: first airing September 5, 1987, regular rotation in early January 1988 (or late December '87, as MTV's CEO says he first put it on rotation "unofficially".
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  12. Okay, I'm clueless on Mike and his band but once Mike forgot he's living another day, good stuff. Two months sober, he's got brain fog and JT's wants to quiz him on his GNR references in past songs. He thanks you and I thank you for giving him the answers. Fun to see JT so into it though. Like that street kids making family story, very deadhead like. Yes it is, not on the bus but you've all seen it.
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  13. Man, I love me some Men At Work! I still don't think I'm gonna end up buying the GN'R GH. I have the 7" for Sympathy, so I think I already own everything on it. If I see it cheap one day, I'll probably buy it but it would hare to be like half price or something. I didn't even realize there was a Walmart exclusive version.
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  14. Oh dear. What evidence? If evidence tells us anything, then that it will take a lot of time, but it might eventually come out. Even Axl said he didnt record all this shit just to keep it buried. So maybe think harder next time before posting.
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  15. Slash was using on and off all the way into Snakepit 2. Up to the point he had that tour cancelled and had a defibrilator
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  16. Well I "invested" 50 quid in the Green Bay Packers on the weekend and that went straight down the toilet so anyone listening to financial advice from me should definately think again 😁
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  17. Here's our first product review. All views, likes and comments help a ton
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  18. Billie Eilish - When We All Fall Asleep Where Do We Go. Have listened to it tons in the last year, still digging it from start to finish
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  19. A new auction site related to the gear used by GN'R either in studio or during tours. New items will be added... Does anyone need a CD recorder or a rack tuner for bass? that's your place "GnR Gear From Yester' Year"
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  20. I invested in those 5 coins you quoted around December 10th 2020 so it was about 1 month for those returns. I've not cashed out any profits yet though as I think these coins will have more value in future
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  21. Overrated is a nice way to refer to song discarded from being on an album.
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  22. The only one I don't have now is the Church Of Rock N Roll 7", and I can't remember ever seeing one for sale so I'm not holding out hope On a side note, Church has become ridiculously "valuable" lately... around the time they released the burn single actually, the price shot up to over $100, sometimes over $200. And the record doesn't even sound good, it was never mastered properly for vinyl... if any of their albums need a repress, it's Church. Which variant of s/t did you get? I have the regular black first pressing (with the typos on the back) and the handprint haze edition.
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  23. nice! I only have church of rock n' roll and a cool variant of the self titled that enjoy the ride records released.
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  25. will said that for Shadow of you love and he did it very well
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  26. 2042: Guns N' Roses 5 (5 discs of previously unreleased material after most band members have moved into a nursing home)
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  27. Now I recall my ptsd of the missile tower sounds
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  28. This will still be a decent watch despite the horrendous reenactments. Hopefully Tom gives us insight into his storage locker! Ha. Hopefully this becomes available for those of us across the pond.
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  29. Well @Gambit83 this is the first interview of yours that has been a struggle for me to get through. Some decent stories. Saw NOFX twice back in the day on Warped Tour 1998 & 2000, but they aren't really my thing. Looking forward to the next episode regardless!
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  30. Trailer (sensational, as expected). The picture they use in relation to his marriage... https://streamable.com/m2nprx
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  32. In the last month (aka since my last post) 2020 Black Sabbath - Tyr AC/DC - Stiff Upper Lip Black Sabbath - Forbidden Black Sabbath - Cross Purposes AC/DC - Blow Up Your Video Dio - Magica Yes - Drama Iced Earth - Night Of The Stormrider 2021 Kiss - Creatures Of The Night Nightwish - Angels Fall First Queen - Self Titled Queen - Queen II Queen - Sheer Heart Attack Nightwish - Oceanborn Nightwish - Wishmaster Queen - A Night At The Opera Queen - A Day At The Races Queen - News Of The World Queen - Jazz From Queens debut onwards has been this past week. I'm sure there were others from 2020 but those were albums I heard for the first time ever at the end of the year.
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  33. And he sounds freaking great on The Seeker and WL!
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  34. "give it to me" State of grace with Duff and Slash and I will be happy for.......5 years !!!!
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  35. Didn't have the songs would be my guess, not they are bad - they are fine but they aren't jaw dropping "I have to listen to that song on repeat" songs. Then the music climate at the time wasn't very receptive of that style of music. I think it also came out on Geffen? who obviously wanted Slash back in GNR, so I doubt they killed themselves working the record, probably just enough not to totally piss off Slash 🤣
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  36. Honestly, they just weren't that good. Of course there's some good riffs and ideas in those 2 albums, but to me they're like slightly better SMKC albums, and neither singer was going to bring the band up to an arena level. I hope he does another "Slash & Friends" album one day. That was easily his best solo album and it would be a nice change of pace from the stuff with Myles.
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  37. Capital punishment, as extensive studies on the topic have shown, is not a viable form of deterrence. I've read several (not all), and have not come across anything that suggests that it works as a preventative measure. Perhaps the scholars who have looked into the issue have missed something, but based on the accumulative research on the topic, the burden of proof is now on those who want to demonstrate some connection between state-sanctioned execution and its affect on the state's murder rate.
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  38. I disagree with the view that it's impossible to know anything about the effects of the death penalty simply because there are other variables at play that affect murder rates. If you go by that principle, you would have to reject pretty much all social science and not just that which relates to the death penalty.
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  39. "Those who defend the deterrent value of the death penalty offer little systematic research to support their view. Instead, they rely on an intuitive feeling that capital punishment should be uniquely effective. When the available evidence doesn't support that conclusion, they argue that the evidence is imperfect. It is. But if there were any substantial net deterrent effect from capital punishment under modern U.S. conditions, the studies we have surveyed should clearly reveal it. They do not."
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  41. Imagine how cool if they released all the lithos as a book in real size?
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  42. Yeah, there is no place for the death penalty in a civilised society. One of the major reasons for having a justice system is to blunt the edges of the more visceral human instinctive responses to perceived wrongdoing (i.e. to pursue revenge and retribution) and ensure that the danger to society is contained or removed whilst also being fair, proportionate and retaining the moral high ground. Capital punishment basically says that in order to deal with the worst criminals, society should stoop to their level and perpetrate a vicious act on them. I get why that's appealing - I think any victim of a violent crime probably would at some point, because it's wired (to a greater or lesser degree) into our heads to find catharsis in retribution. Ten years ago, I was attacked, half-strangled and had my guitar stolen by a couple of men, who took me by surprise as I was walking to a guitar lesson. One held my hands while the other had my throat, and if a guy walking past hadn't come to help me out, who knows how far it would have gone? In the months after it happened, I'd often have violent thoughts towards those guys - but with hindsight I see why I couldn't be put in charge of determining their punishment, if they ever got caught. My perspective would be totally distorted, blown out of proportion and not at all objective. I think we collectively should always try to be 'better' than criminals, even those who commit the worst crimes, and killing them is really just a concession to one of the worst parts of human nature that we're all still trying to move beyond in the continual battle between animal instincts and emotional intelligence that defines our existence.
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  43. Sure, I am just not sure whether any financial compensation and apology can fully compensate for potentially decades lost. So in that sense, no matter what we choose (imprisonment or capital punishment), we risk causing grave errors to other human beings that we can't correct. But yeah, in most cases it is worse to kill someone wrongly than imprison them. Still, we cannot argue as only one of these options comes with a possibility of irretrievable wrongs inflicted on the innocent.
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  44. The purpose of imprisonment is at least fourfold: rehabilitation, deterrence, prevention of new crimes, and revenge. You are correct that rehabilitation has been shown to not work efficiently (studies report only a 10% reduced chance of new crimes), but this is likely to vary from country to country as a consequence of the resources allocated to rehabilitation programs. Simply imprisoning criminals in itself will likely not result in rehabilitation, it must be couples to rehabilitation programs that work on each inmate to help that person change (education, therapy, etc). And yes, proper rehabilitation is expensive. But as others pointed out, so is capital punishment. Maybe it isn't a question about economics but ethics? Additionally, someone made the argument that capital punishment should be abolished because mistakes are made. Sure, but the same argument could be made against any other punishment. People get imprisoned wrongly. People get fined wrongly. And yes, you can't make up for a wrongful capital punishment...but can you make up for wrongful 30 years in prison? I am not making a case for capital punishment here, just pointing out a flawed argument. It probably lies on the assumption that nothing it worse than death. It is the ultimate punishment. But is it? To everybody? Always? Where I come from, we don't have capital punishment (fortunately), but we also don't have very long prison sentences (21 years is typically maximum). We also spend more resources on rehabilitation than most. This includes caring for inmates. This might fly in the face of people who focuses on the "revenge" motif for imprisonment; we think that is a bit primitive and bloodthirsty and would rather focus on rehabilitation. You don't fight violence with violence - that sends the wrong signal. Besides, imprisonment is always a punishment to those involved. Very few wants to lose years to confinement. At least here.
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  45. See you have a great point there, there's is a cycle in music. And by crossing our history with the history of music you understand why there's no place for Rock with this generation. Rock moved a wave of rebellious and angry post-war teens, the World was a tougher place, Baby-boomers and the Generation X had to deal with a lot of poverty and they didn't have access to a lot of things Millenials and Gen Z (argh!) do. So a angry style of music doesn't ressonate with them! There's a sheik in Dubai that said something very emblematic about the future of the country and that can be applied here, he said: "My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I drive a Mercedes, my son drives a Land Rover, his son will drive a Land Rover, but his son will ride a camel". What he means is that there is a cycle in the world and that tougher times create tougher people that create softer times that create softer people that create tougher times and all that comes along. Maybe Rock will become mainstream again after the Trump, Bolsonaro, Pandemic eras and the World crisis that's yet to come in the next couple of years due to COVID.
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