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  1. I had a thorough look at the online repertories of ASCAP, BMI, GMR (Global Music Rights) and SESAC, which are PRO's (Performing Rights Organizations) that collect royalties on behalf of songwriters and their publishers, so they list all the musicians who receive songwriting royalties for each song: https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ https://globalmusicrights.com/Catalog https://www.sesac.com/repertory/search https://repertoire.bmi.com/ These data are the result of the way a band has decided to split the publishing rights/royalties between the members and may not be identical to the writing credits in an album's liner notes - for example, a band member may not be credited as one of the writers of a particular song, but may be entitled to royalties for it. Axl is on SESAC, Slash and Duff are on GMR, and the rest of the members (old and "nu"), as well as the outside writers (West Arkeen, Del James, etc.) are on ASCAP or BMI. ASCAP and GMR report the percentage they control over other PRO's; for example, on a song listed as co-written by Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff and Steven, ASCAP reports the percentage it controls, which corresponds to the combined shares of Izzy and Steven, and the same goes for GMR in regards to Slash and Duff's combined shares. SESAC doesn't provide this information, which would be Axl's share - however, in some cases it can be calculated based on the information from the other PRO's. BMI sometimes does and other times doesn't reports the percentages for its own repertory that is separate from ASCAP. Appetite For Destruction and GN'R Lies In the albums' liner notes all original songs are credited collectively to "Guns N' Roses" and, wherever the case, to additional songwriters (West Arkeen on It's So Easy, Chris Weber on Anything Goes, Reckless Life and Move To The City). The information in ASCAP and GMR confirms what we know from other sources about how the publishing was split between the members: Axl 25%, Slash, Izzy and Duff 20% each, and Steven 15%. For example, ASCAP controls 35% of Welcome To The Jungle (Izzy's 20% + Steven's 15%) and GMR controls 40% (Slash and Duff's 20+20%), which leaves 25% for Axl. In the case of additional songwriters, as expected, the band members' shares are decreased: on It's So Easy, ASCAP controls 54% (which includes Izzy's, Steven's and West Arkeen's shares) and GMR controls 28% (Slash and Duff's combined share); on Anything Goes, Reckless Life and Move To The City, ASCAP controls 41.5% (Izzy's, Steven's and Chris Weber's shares) and GMR controls 36% (Slash and Duff's shares). So what's left is, apparently, Axl's share. Use Your Illusion I and II Unlike Appetite and Lies, the UYI liner notes list specific writers for each song (e.g. Axl and Izzy on You Could Be Mine, Slash and Axl on Locomotive, etc.). However, that doesn't affect the way the publishing for each song is split: according to the PRO's, the four "main" members (Axl, Slash, Izzy and Duff) get a fixed percentage for each original song written entirely by the band. Only this time the way the shares were calculated was more complicated compared to the shares for AFD and Lies songs, so the percentages are not round figures (according to Slash's book, that happened because they had to calculate a small share for Matt - and I guess Dizzy, too - as well as because of the many outside writers like West Arkeen, Del James, etc.). For example, although only Axl is credited for writing November Rain in the album liner notes, GMR (Slash and Duff) controls 47.68% and ASCAP (Izzy) 24.26% - and these shares apply for every original UYI song that doesn't have additional writers (the decimals in the ASCAP shares differ slightly from song to song - it may have to do with the publishers). The remaining percentages obviously include Axl's shares and, probably, Matt's and Dizzy's small shares (the data for Matt and Dizzy are not clear; ASCAP lists them as writers on some UYI songs and SESAC lists them on all songs). So, the fact that, for example, Slash is not credited in the liner notes as a co-writer on Estranged, doesn't affect his royalties. The formula they seemingly used was: first they determined who wrote what (ie. the writers of each songs that we read in the liner notes) and the percentages of each one's contributions on each song (e.g. Don't Cry, 50% Axl and 50% Izzy); then they calculated all that together and determined each one's shares on the album as a whole (at least the songs that didn't have outside writers) so Izzy, for example, had a share around 24.5% on the album; and then they applied those percentages to each song. In the case of the songs co-written by outside writers, the percentages vary: - Right Next Door To Hell: GMR (Slash, Duff) 32.52%; ASCAP (Izzy) 16.18%. So the rest includes the shares of Axl, Timo Kaltio and probably Matt and Dizzy. - Bad Obsession: GMR (Slash, Duff) 33.38%; ASCAP (Izzy, West Arkeen) 47.1%. So the rest includes the shares of Axl and probably Matt and Dizzy. - Back Off Bitch: GMR (Slash, Duff) 38.84%; ASCAP (Izzy, Paul Tobias) no info. - The Garden: GMR (Slash, Duff) 9.54%; ASCAP (Izzy, West Arkeen) 54.84%; BMI (Del James) no info. So the rest includes the shares of Axl, Del James and probably Matt and Dizzy. - Don't Damn Me: GMR (Slash, Duff) 40.44%; ASCAP (Izzy, Dave Lank) 28.55%. So the rest includes the shares of Axl and probably Matt and Dizzy. - Yesterdays: GMR (Slash, Duff) 15.72%; ASCAP (Izzy, West Arkeen, Billy McCloud) 68%; BMI (Del James) no info. So the rest includes the shares of Axl, Del James and probably Matt and Dizzy. Ain't Goin' Down (pinball machine) GMR (Slash, Duff) 50%; ASCAP (Izzy) 25%; So the remaining 25% is Axl's. Shadow Of Your Love ASCAP has no information about it. GMR and SESAC list Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff, Steven and Paul Tobias as writers (without percentages). Appetite For Destruction 2018 reissue (Locked and Loaded) - "new" songs. The Plague, New Work Tune and Ain't Goin' Down No More (instrumental) can be found only on ASCAP. All Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff and Steven are listed as writers. ASCAP (Izzy, Steven) controls 37.48%, so their combined share is slightly higher than for Appetite/Lies songs. West Arkeen songs/"Hell House demos" - Crash Diet: West Arkeen, Axl, Del James and Daniel Clarke are listed as writers. ASCAP (West Arkeen) controls 31%. - Bring It Down Home: West Arkeen and Axl are listed as writers. ASCAP (West Arkeen) controls 50%, so the other 50% is Axl's. - Too Much Too Soon: West Arkeen and Duff are listed as writers. ASCAP (West Arkeen) controls 90%, so the other 10% is Duff's. - Sentimental Movie: West Arkeen, Duff and Del James are listed as writers. ASCAP (West Arkeen) controls 75%, so the other 25% is divided between Duff and Del James. * There's no information at all about Just Another Sunday (most likely because it's not on the West Arkeen tape). Chinese Democracy + Oh My God In this case, the credits in the album's liner notes coincide with the names found in the repertories * (EDIT: I made the mistake to think that the credits on wikipedia are based on the album's liner notes, so I didn't bother to look at the booklets. But I then realised that they're based on the repertories, so there are additional writers who are not credited on the album - I've marked them in yellow). Axl is on SESAC (doesn't give info on percentages). Dizzy, Robin Finck, Tommy Stinson, Paul Tobias and Pitman are on ASCAP. Buckethead, Brain and Josh Freese are on BMI . So the data provided by ASCAP and BMI about the percentages they controls on each CD song may be actually informative, at least to an extent, about each member's contributions: - Oh My God: 50% Axl; 48% divided between Dizzy, Paul, Sean Riggs and Tommy; 2% Josh Freese. - Chinese Democracy: UPDATE: 50% Axl; 27% divided between Josh Freese and Caram; 21% divided between Dizzy, Paul, Robin and Tommy; 2% Eric Caudiex. - Shackler's Revenge: UPDATE: 50% Axl; 45% divided between Buckethead, Brain, Pete Scaturro and Caram; 5% Robin; . - Better: 50% Axl; 50% Robin. - Street Of Dreams: 63% Axl; 37% divided between Dizzy, Paul, Tommy and Robin. - If The World: 55% Axl; 45% Pitman. - There Was A Time: 50% Axl; 50% divided between Dizzy, Paul and Tommy. - Catcher In The Rye: 67% Axl; 33% divided between Dizzy, Paul, Tommy and Robin. - Scraped: UPDATE: 52% Axl; 48% Buckethead and Brain Caram (thanks, @Voodoochild). - Riad N' The Bedouins: 50% Axl; 50% divided between Dizzy, Paul, Tommy and Robin. - Sorry: 50% Axl; 50% divided betweeen Buckethead, Brain and Scaturro. - I.R.S.: 75% Axl; 25% divided between Dizzy and Paul. - Madagascar: 50% Axl; 50% Pitman and MLK estate. - This I Love: 100% Axl. - Prostitute: 90% Axl; 10% divided between Paul and Robin. It seems that Axl reserved a fixed 50% for himself for lyrics, melodies and probably production. Then his percentage might increase depending on the part he had in writing the music. So, for example, it appears that Axl wrote most of the music on Prostitute (since he has 90%) and a big part of the music on I.R.S (since he has 75%). Absurd As far as the "liner notes" go, there seems to be a return to the Appetite/Lies formula (which is a common formula used by many bands): it's credited collectively to "Guns N' Roses". As I posted in the Absurd thread the other day, the song has now been added to the ASCAP and GMR repositories (SESAC is yet to be updated). ASCAP lists Axl, Slash, Duff and Dizzy as writers/royalty recipients. ASCAP (Dizzy) controls 30% (15% directly to Dizzy + another 15% for his publisher), so this is Dizzy's total share. Pitman, who is also on ASCAP, is not listed as a writer. Updated ASCAP listing: GMR has not yet been fully updated with all the writers and Slash and Duff's share: Hard Skool Liner notes: Similarly to Absurd, on the various platforms (Spotify, etc.) the song is credited collectively to "Guns N' Roses". However, according to the press release issued by the band, it was written by Axl. Publishing/royalty shares: The song hasn't been added to any repertory yet. But, based on the press release and what happened with Absurd, it's safe to say that only Axl, Slash and Duff will be listed as writers/royalty recipients - which means that it won't appear on ASCAP, since none of Axl/Slash/Duff is represented by them.
    22 points
  2. 8 points
  3. This song has grown on me big time. I really like it and admire the choice to release this weird song as first new single. Way better than something generic and bland.
    5 points
  4. And Caram Constanzo. Again, you're amazing. MyGNR is really lucky to have you posting as a regular member. The amount of actual information and quotes you provide is truly fantastic.
    4 points
  5. Top acts like gnr & foo fighters should boycott these asshole shows I always assumed curfew wasn’t about noise but union labor due overtime for venue employees no? im assuming if there were any residences around the venue they’d be drunk on wine anyway
    4 points
  6. Do what you want, just please don't associate my website with you. This isn't a case of you using a vague phrase or generic word like "screwdriver" or "Franklin" as your username - If you do a google search for Lithorati, there's less then two pages of results and they all have something to do with my website. If you sell something using that username, it's not unreasonable for people to think it's me - which is unfair on me since I have nothing to do with it.
    4 points
  7. Yea it so fuckin stupid but what isn’t stupid in today’s world Ha this is the time I miss the old Axl. He would’ve probably killed someone that night
    3 points
  8. Both my kids in quarantine now because they have been in near contact with someone with the disease (in class or at music practice). I think the entire school is in quarantine now actually. We opened up recently (no restrictions for kids - normal school, normal activities), and the Delta variant has practically shut us down in a swift response. Lots of arguments in the media because of this. Some are saying we are sacrificing our kids because of "long covid". Some are questioning why we aren't shutting down again now with cases being record high. Personally, with more than 50% fully vaccinated now and everybody over the age of 18 having been offered the vaccines, I am fine with this. The kids would have got the disease anyway at some point and as long as they are not affected much (there is little evidence for "long covid" being a problem after 6 months), and as long as not many above 18 get sick, this is the way forward, in my opinion. The vaccine is here, most people have been vaccinated (I think 70-80% have the first dose), there is not much more we can do expect delay the inevitable - it is time to control this towards the conclusion.
    3 points
  9. Why do you hate Melissa so much? Are you aware other rock bands have people off stage behind a curtain doing what Melissa does? I'd rather everyone who's contributing be up on stage part of the show. That's how GNR have always operated. Melissa is up there doing her thing and basically rocking out the entire two and a half hour show. Great energy.
    3 points
  10. There was so much going on that I didn't even pay much attention to Axl's vocal quality in real time. There was a bad snow storm while getting to the show so that was nerve wracking. Then the band cky was so bad that they got booed off the stage. When the house lights came up, they were still having shit thrown at them. Then GN'R finally taking the stage and seeing the whole thing: Bucket being Bucket, Robin being amazing, Axl in a way over sized Red Wings jersey, 4 new songs being played in a row (CD, The Blues, Madagascar, Riad), Axl eventually walking out on the show during Patience.......there was a LOT going on lol.
    3 points
  11. LOL! Looks like it's sleigh bells, maybe they played White Christmas?
    2 points
  12. Caram and Axl produced and mixed Chinese Democracy. There are a few additional mix by And Wallace that survived in the end product, but he wasn't the main guy. If you want to listen to his work on those songs, just listen to the Antiquiet demos. Keep in mind that those tracks were not mastered and had a low sample rate when streamed on that site.
    2 points
  13. 2 points
  14. This is my first post here in years.. I only discovered the new track AbsuЯd this morning, and immediately recognized it as Silkworms, the track previewed many years ago. It's not exactly the same. Seems weird GN'R releasing *new* Gn'R music as their own??? I thought the original Silkworms was a Chris Pittman track. Didn't Pittman have a falling out with Axl over money? ..seems odd to release it now. I wonder how Pittman feels about the new mix? Didn't Axl once say during a live show, the fans were not quite ready for Silkworms (..and possibly other material in a similar vein). On the subject on new GNR music, i wanted AFD or UYI style stuff. Silkworms to me is down there with the likes of My World I guess something new is better than nothing. I wonder if the new album will simply be a dusting of old unfinished work along with some cover tracks, which is similar to what they did with UYI. I assume there is no chance of hearing any of Bucketheads work, stored in the vault.
    2 points
  15. "Bridge School" might trigger PTSD around here. I got into the band right around the time that happened, definitely not a good time to become a GNR fan lol
    2 points
  16. 2 points
  17. Well done on you as a mother. Sounds like she is only mildly affected. Hoping it will stay that way. It most likely will. With one dose she has about 60-80% less chance of developing serious symptoms, and she must be young which again protects her. I am confident she will soon be 100% again.
    2 points
  18. My daughter has Covid currently. She tested positive a week ago after going to a festival. She seems okay so far - feels a bit tired and has a cold. She did say it's weird that the symptoms go up and down, disappearing for a while then coming back. She lost her smell and taste which was the first symptom. I'm not overly worried, I keep checking in with her every couple of days to see how she feels because I know you can feel like you're recovering then suddenly get worse. Her boyfriend is in isolation with her but despite also going to the festival and being in the same house he's remained negative so far. They've both only had one jab but hoping they're young enough for that to be enough. They could have been double jabbed by now but like many 20 somethings didn't make it a priority. I think my persistent nagging is the reason they have at least one.
    2 points
  19. Oh, they are fine. Thanks. Just a precaution until they have received negative tests.
    2 points
  20. Hope your kids are okay and it's just a precaution.
    2 points
  21. Zombie post (or whatever it’s called) I was at this concert, I remember it being very, very loud. The audience audio levels in the recording of this show are very low. I specifically remember the part in patience where Axl sings “the lights they shine so bright,”the house lights came on and the whole crowd roared; you can’t hear it at all when watching the pro shot.
    2 points
  22. That curfew was utter stupid. Crowd sang along and there was noise again. 3 minutes wouldnt kill anyone.
    2 points
  23. I just watched this. This is professionalism at its best! Great work by the band for still playing Paradise City even though the sound was turned off. It was cool by the fans to sing along. The organizers of the festival suck! People pay money to see GNR and other bands. To do this to paying customers isn't cool!
    2 points
  24. Hard Skool was gonna follow PC buy yeah the set was cut
    2 points
  25. Awesome of the band, and I got goosebumps when the crowd took over. Super lame of the festival. I know they kind of have a history of this, but seriously, there was like... maybe two minutes left of the show. Seems like some of the organizers must suffer from TPS.
    2 points
  26. Paradise City wow, I love that song live. Axl sounded great of the 2nd half
    2 points
  27. What does it for me is how he caught the bra during the first line without having to move a muscle, good throw I guess haha but awesome
    2 points
  28. I heard they wanted to play Hard Skool right after PC but the Curfew made them change plans.
    2 points
  29. imagine some blu ray dics of all this classic gigs. I would sell my kidney and some liver parts
    2 points
  30. Anyone remember when we were thinking Axl/DC into GNR would be a cool idea? Nowadays you’d be charged for attempted murder of Axl.
    2 points
  31. It’ll definitely be on an album IMO
    1 point
  32. Half man, half beast. I'm not sure what it is, but whatever it is, it's weird and it's pissed off and it calls itself Slash Bon Jovi can suck my dick
    1 point
  33. The credits in the booklet for Chinese seem reliable, but the quick rundown is: Chinese Democracy (guitar, 2nd solo through the outro) Shackler's Revenge (writing & arrangement, guitar) Better (guitar, 2nd solo) Street of Dreams (guitar, 2nd solo) If The World (guitars, all solos, acoustic guitar) There Was a Time (guitar, 2nd solo) Catcher in the Rye (absent) Scraped (writing & arrangement, guitar, 2nd solo) Riad N' The Bedouins (guitar, 2nd solo) Sorry (writing & arrangement, guitar, all solos) I.R.S. (guitar, 2nd solo) Madagascar (guitar, all solos) This I Love (absent) Prostitute (guitar, all solos) The leaks can't have certainty, but Bucket appears to have done the 2nd solo in songs like Hardschool and Quicksong.
    1 point
  34. I can only speak for myself, Is it Melissa's contribution essential to the show? Isn't it enough with Dizzy? For me it is not about a person or name. If tomorrow they fire Melissa and they replace her with some John Doe I would feel the same way. GN'R didn't become an iconic band because of keyboards. Don't get me wrong GN'R has the right to hire 10 keyboard players if they feel like it. And I have the right to be against it.
    1 point
  35. Bucket head left way before 2004 so it was a crap excuse. They blatantly were not going to do that show, nothing else was booked for that summer either. The band were non active. Apart from 4tus saying they were "due to start up again" every month from 2003 till 2006
    1 point
  36. 1 point
  37. I'll admit that Slash ads a whole lot to the recorded version but its still lipstick on the pig that is Silkworms. There's at least 10 other original Guns N Roses songs I'd rather hear them play live than this.
    1 point
  38. Out Go The Lights by Aerosmith.
    1 point
  39. Girl Rock School Showcase
    1 point
  40. I don’t think Axl’s mental health was in a place to pull off tours in 2002. When he says he was “sick”, that can mean a variety of things. I also firmly believe he has gone on medication since then.
    1 point
  41. He's not suing his parents or the photographer because he's chasing the money. It's a blatant and shameless cashgrab by a workshy mooch.
    1 point
  42. Agree. I'd add to this: Colma Monsters and Robots Praxis - Transmutation Electric Tears And throwing a random one in: Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains
    1 point
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