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  1. He probably barely even speaks to the current members
    11 points
  2. One thing I realized that I subconsciously knew was missing in the "nuGNR" era but never said it out loud, was humor and random fun. This occurred to me when I was listening to the Illusion albums, just how many random sounds Axl made vocally or just things that you can tell they did not for artistic grandeur but with a wink and a smile The announcement at the end of Get In the Ring, Axl's "wrecked my car" bit in the intro of Dead Horse, Axl's random "eyeyeyeye" at the start of Don't Damn Me, and even just the more jammy tunes like You Ain't The First that sounds like a band who wrote it together sitting by a campfire lol Chinese Democracy was pretty much a "serious" record by a band/brand never known for only being that level of serious. Every single one of their musical statements before that had some sort of levity and good humor to it that translated in the band being energetic and fun sounding. But on CD none of that was really present, even on the more throwaway rockers like Scraped or Riad Really I am not even casting judgement in saying one is right and one is wrong, or any of that. I just wanted to ramble and make this observation and see if others had the same thought as I did regarding that - as random as it is
    9 points
  3. Seriously, she's more skilled than Pitman, isn't as arrogant as Pitman and has better backing vocals than Pitman.
    9 points
  4. I had a thorough look at the online repertories of ASCAP, BMI, GMR (Global Music Rights) and SESAC, which are PRO's (Performing Rights Organizations) that collect royalties on behalf of songwriters and their publishers, so they list all the musicians who receive songwriting royalties for each song: https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ https://globalmusicrights.com/Catalog https://www.sesac.com/repertory/search https://repertoire.bmi.com/ These data are the result of the way a band has decided to split the publishing rights/royalties between the members and may not be identical to the writing credits in an album's liner notes - for example, a band member may not be credited as one of the writers of a particular song, but may be entitled to royalties for it. Axl is on SESAC, Slash and Duff are on GMR, and the rest of the members (old and "nu"), as well as the outside writers (West Arkeen, Del James, etc.) are on ASCAP or BMI. ASCAP and GMR report the percentage they control over other PRO's; for example, on a song listed as co-written by Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff and Steven, ASCAP reports the percentage it controls, which corresponds to the combined shares of Izzy and Steven, and the same goes for GMR in regards to Slash and Duff's combined shares. SESAC doesn't provide this information, which would be Axl's share - however, in some cases it can be calculated based on the information from the other PRO's. BMI sometimes does and other times doesn't reports the percentages for its own repertory that is separate from ASCAP. Appetite For Destruction and GN'R Lies In the albums' liner notes all original songs are credited collectively to "Guns N' Roses" and, wherever the case, to additional songwriters (West Arkeen on It's So Easy, Chris Weber on Anything Goes, Reckless Life and Move To The City). The information in ASCAP and GMR confirms what we know from other sources about how the publishing was split between the members: Axl 25%, Slash, Izzy and Duff 20% each, and Steven 15%. For example, ASCAP controls 35% of Welcome To The Jungle (Izzy's 20% + Steven's 15%) and GMR controls 40% (Slash and Duff's 20+20%), which leaves 25% for Axl. In the case of additional songwriters, as expected, the band members' shares are decreased: on It's So Easy, ASCAP controls 54% (which includes Izzy's, Steven's and West Arkeen's shares) and GMR controls 28% (Slash and Duff's combined share); on Anything Goes, Reckless Life and Move To The City, ASCAP controls 41.5% (Izzy's, Steven's and Chris Weber's shares) and GMR controls 36% (Slash and Duff's shares). So what's left is, apparently, Axl's share. Use Your Illusion I and II Unlike Appetite and Lies, the UYI liner notes list specific writers for each song (e.g. Axl and Izzy on You Could Be Mine, Slash and Axl on Locomotive, etc.). However, that doesn't affect the way the publishing for each song is split: according to the PRO's, the four "main" members (Axl, Slash, Izzy and Duff) get a fixed percentage for each original song written entirely by the band. Only this time the way the shares were calculated was more complicated compared to the shares for AFD and Lies songs, so the percentages are not round figures (according to Slash's book, that happened because they had to calculate a small share for Matt - and I guess Dizzy, too - as well as because of the many outside writers like West Arkeen, Del James, etc.). For example, although only Axl is credited for writing November Rain in the album liner notes, GMR (Slash and Duff) controls 47.68% and ASCAP (Izzy) 24.26% - and these shares apply for every original UYI song that doesn't have additional writers (the decimals in the ASCAP shares differ slightly from song to song - it may have to do with the publishers). The remaining percentages obviously include Axl's shares and, probably, Matt's and Dizzy's small shares (the data for Matt and Dizzy are not clear; ASCAP lists them as writers on some UYI songs and SESAC lists them on all songs). So, the fact that, for example, Slash is not credited in the liner notes as a co-writer on Estranged, doesn't affect his royalties. The formula they seemingly used was: first they determined who wrote what (ie. the writers of each songs that we read in the liner notes) and the percentages of each one's contributions on each song (e.g. Don't Cry, 50% Axl and 50% Izzy); then they calculated all that together and determined each one's shares on the album as a whole (at least the songs that didn't have outside writers) so Izzy, for example, had a share around 24.5% on the album; and then they applied those percentages to each song. In the case of the songs co-written by outside writers, the percentages vary: - Right Next Door To Hell: GMR (Slash, Duff) 32.52%; ASCAP (Izzy) 16.18%. So the rest includes the shares of Axl, Timo Kaltio and probably Matt and Dizzy. - Bad Obsession: GMR (Slash, Duff) 33.38%; ASCAP (Izzy, West Arkeen) 47.1%. So the rest includes the shares of Axl and probably Matt and Dizzy. - Back Off Bitch: GMR (Slash, Duff) 38.84%; ASCAP (Izzy, Paul Tobias) no info. - The Garden: GMR (Slash, Duff) 9.54%; ASCAP (Izzy, West Arkeen) 54.84%; BMI (Del James) no info. So the rest includes the shares of Axl, Del James and probably Matt and Dizzy. - Don't Damn Me: GMR (Slash, Duff) 40.44%; ASCAP (Izzy, Dave Lank) 28.55%. So the rest includes the shares of Axl and probably Matt and Dizzy. - Yesterdays: GMR (Slash, Duff) 15.72%; ASCAP (Izzy, West Arkeen, Billy McCloud) 68%; BMI (Del James) no info. So the rest includes the shares of Axl, Del James and probably Matt and Dizzy. Ain't Goin' Down (pinball machine) GMR (Slash, Duff) 50%; ASCAP (Izzy) 25%; So the remaining 25% is Axl's. Shadow Of Your Love ASCAP has no information about it. GMR and SESAC list Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff, Steven and Paul Tobias as writers (without percentages). Appetite For Destruction 2018 reissue (Locked and Loaded) - "new" songs. The Plague, New Work Tune and Ain't Goin' Down No More (instrumental) can be found only on ASCAP. All Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff and Steven are listed as writers. ASCAP (Izzy, Steven) controls 37.48%, so their combined share is slightly higher than for Appetite/Lies songs. West Arkeen songs/"Hell House demos" - Crash Diet: West Arkeen, Axl, Del James and Daniel Clarke are listed as writers. ASCAP (West Arkeen) controls 31%. - Bring It Down Home: West Arkeen and Axl are listed as writers. ASCAP (West Arkeen) controls 50%, so the other 50% is Axl's. - Too Much Too Soon: West Arkeen and Duff are listed as writers. ASCAP (West Arkeen) controls 90%, so the other 10% is Duff's. - Sentimental Movie: West Arkeen, Duff and Del James are listed as writers. ASCAP (West Arkeen) controls 75%, so the other 25% is divided between Duff and Del James. * There's no information at all about Just Another Sunday (most likely because it's not on the West Arkeen tape). Chinese Democracy + Oh My God In this case, the credits in the album's liner notes coincide with the names found in the repertories * (EDIT: I made the mistake to think that the credits on wikipedia are based on the album's liner notes, so I didn't bother to look at the booklets. But I then realised that they're based on the repertories, so there are additional writers who are not credited on the album - I've marked them in yellow). Axl is on SESAC (doesn't give info on percentages). Dizzy, Robin Finck, Tommy Stinson, Paul Tobias and Pitman are on ASCAP. Buckethead, Brain and Josh Freese are on BMI . So the data provided by ASCAP and BMI about the percentages they controls on each CD song may be actually informative, at least to an extent, about each member's contributions: - Oh My God: 50% Axl; 48% divided between Dizzy, Paul, Sean Riggs and Tommy; 2% Josh Freese. - Chinese Democracy: UPDATE: 50% Axl; 27% divided between Josh Freese and Caram; 21% divided between Dizzy, Paul, Robin and Tommy; 2% Eric Caudiex. - Shackler's Revenge: UPDATE: 50% Axl; 45% divided between Buckethead, Brain, Pete Scaturro and Caram; 5% Robin; . - Better: 50% Axl; 50% Robin. - Street Of Dreams: 63% Axl; 37% divided between Dizzy, Paul, Tommy and Robin. - If The World: 55% Axl; 45% Pitman. - There Was A Time: 50% Axl; 50% divided between Dizzy, Paul and Tommy. - Catcher In The Rye: 67% Axl; 33% divided between Dizzy, Paul, Tommy and Robin. - Scraped: UPDATE: 52% Axl; 48% Buckethead and Brain Caram (thanks, @Voodoochild). - Riad N' The Bedouins: 50% Axl; 50% divided between Dizzy, Paul, Tommy and Robin. - Sorry: 50% Axl; 50% divided betweeen Buckethead, Brain and Scaturro. - I.R.S.: 75% Axl; 25% divided between Dizzy and Paul. - Madagascar: 50% Axl; 50% Pitman and MLK estate. - This I Love: 100% Axl. - Prostitute: 90% Axl; 10% divided between Paul and Robin. It seems that Axl reserved a fixed 50% for himself for lyrics, melodies and probably production. Then his percentage might increase depending on the part he had in writing the music. So, for example, it appears that Axl wrote most of the music on Prostitute (since he has 90%) and a big part of the music on I.R.S (since he has 75%). Absurd As far as the "liner notes" go, there seems to be a return to the Appetite/Lies formula (which is a common formula used by many bands): it's credited collectively to "Guns N' Roses". As I posted in the Absurd thread the other day, the song has now been added to the ASCAP and GMR repositories (SESAC is yet to be updated). ASCAP lists Axl, Slash, Duff and Dizzy as writers/royalty recipients. ASCAP (Dizzy) controls 30% (15% directly to Dizzy + another 15% for his publisher), so this is Dizzy's total share. Pitman, who is also on ASCAP, is not listed as a writer. Updated ASCAP listing: GMR has not yet been fully updated with all the writers and Slash and Duff's share: Hard Skool Liner notes: Similarly to Absurd, on the various platforms (Spotify, etc.) the song is credited collectively to "Guns N' Roses". However, according to the press release issued by the band, it was written by Axl. Publishing/royalty shares: The song hasn't been added to any repertory yet. But, based on the press release and what happened with Absurd, it's safe to say that only Axl, Slash and Duff will be listed as writers/royalty recipients - which means that it won't appear on ASCAP, since none of Axl/Slash/Duff is represented by them.
    6 points
  5. You get jaded as an artist, there's just not as much fun to be had. It's sad but it's a definite reality. You become more measured and actually more unsure of yourself. It takes a lot of time and energy to work through that shit. This is from personal experience but I don't have the market cornered on that one.
    6 points
  6. Negative tests on both daughters. Back to school tomorrow.
    4 points
  7. Meanwhile in Sweden: By the end of this month we'll lose (almost) all (covid) restrictions. I'm happy!
    4 points
  8. This is so odd, but so true. For a guy who seems to love Queen, Elton John and Roger Waters, Axl seems to only want to live up to their grandeur and not have any of the fun they did. With artists like Queen & Elton John, the humor is very obvious to see. With someone like Roger Waters, it's harder to find but it's still there. Roger has a solo album called Amused To Death that might be the heaviest (lyrical) albim I've ever heard. Even he found time to put an inside joke or two on that album. I feel like somewhere along the way, Axl decided that everything has to be this big sweeping, super serious thing. Like he wants everything thing that comes from him to be seen as this huge artistic statement.
    4 points
  9. I don't understand how anybody could not see what the fuss is all about. Never before or since has one person embodied such supernatural levels of talent in so many different areas. I know we all have different tastes yada yada yada, but how anyone can fail to see MJs otherworldly talent honestly baffles me.
    4 points
  10. He played a snippet of Rumble HEY I saw you there! And both times Axl waved at you! It was so cute to watch, I'm happy for you! Didn't mean to take so long to check in! First pit concert for me and it was worth every penny. I was like 3 row in the pit, dead center, so whenever Axl jumped up on those riser/monitor things I had a GREAT view. Literally everytime he or Slash got up there I just stood there smiling like a fool taking it all in. I got to the arena on good time. The last bits of the line were getting through the door. Right away me and my cousin found the nearest merch booth and I got a number litho while he got a bandana. Then we made for the pit. Mammoth was very good and there were some hardcore fans in the pit. Wolfie introduced a song called Think It Over and said it was his dads favorite That boy can definitely play. I was surprised I liked the animated intro before guns took the stage. Before both bands there was a plague doctor on the screen which made me smile because I find plague doctors and their attire fascinating and also with the virus around you know... - Nighttrain in concert is a whole other level! LOVED IT -Axls voice got better as the show went on even though he did struggle during some parts, but he seemed to get more rasp. He can still run around and move like the old days which made me so happy to see. Throwing the mike stand around -He was in a good mood, randomly sang "oh give me a home where the buffalo roam..." and that R kelly bit made me laugh out loud. I guess since he was sweating so dam much he had to change shirts alot. He'd run into a little black tent off to the side I guess to change and drink some tea with honey? - Like others have said he jumped onto the piano and posed. Slash leaned over and said something to him, probably called him a slut -When Slash did the short Rumble solo Axl said some facts about it being in Pulp Fiction.. "And this has been trivia night with Axl." -Band intros, saved Slash for last and played along with forgetting him, "That's all right? That's everyone? Pretty sure. I didn't miss anyone right? Help me out" -And like others noted Slash played his ass and tophat off. Seriously. Dude was on fire, no breaks. -Fortus can shred it too when given the chance. Was very impressive. -Duff was as cool as a cucumber IT was funny seeing him make faces at Axl especially at the end of one song (cant remember) when he held the last note longer than normal, Duffs leaned over and looked at him funny -Saw Meegan sit off to the side and I think Beta came out and sat next to her? -It was nice to hear some CD songs (even if it was just 2) live. And hearing Estranged live was too damn sweet as was DTJ and Civil War. I've never been too much of a fan of KOHD. -Wichita was a nice reprieve. Well done. -At the end Axl threw his mic out to the crowd. It sailed right over me and a drop of sweat? spit? Landed on my arm The sound was iffy at points or so i thought so. Maybe where i was? Sometimes I'd miss parts of a slash solo or it'd go in and out. But I'm so glad I took the chance to see them again! My inner 16 year old has been flying high since then. The whole next day I couldn't stop smiling when I'd think about it. I'll post up the pictures here hopefully by tomorrow (this thread desperately needs some!) My phone started acting up so I had to transfer them to laptop. I'll include the litho too.
    4 points
  11. 3 points
  12. His performances of Human Nature during the Dangerous Tour have me completely mesmerized. So beautiful and touching. This strange on point choreography! They're phenomenal! It's a pity we can't share yt videos.
    3 points
  13. Absolutely, I feel the same. I think in his mind it really had to be a work for the ages. While the majority would tend to disagree that he has accomplished that, I have to say, from my perspective, he has.
    3 points
  14. I always thought that Axl's: "but I don't want to do it" in Sorry was exactly that. A fun, tongue in cheek line, said with a freaking reggae voice. Did some people think he was dead serious there? Not to mention Silkworms/Absurd of course, which is pretty much a tongue in cheek song from start to finish. The problem is that people often hate these not too serious lyrics by Axl. I've seen people whine about Absurd, saying that GNR used to be a grandious, artistic band and "pussy full of maggots" is not the GNR that they loved. 😂
    3 points
  15. I love Michael Jackson. He will always be my No. 1 artist of all time, nobody can ever come close. I'd say I know all the known details about his life, all his songs, every deep-cut or demo. Got all the albums on my shelf. So I guess you can call me a "super-fan" (but not one of those weird and creepy super-fans, I'm not obsessed with him or anything). Earth Song is my favorite song of all time by any artist. I love his later stuff, songs like "Blood on the Dance Floor", "Stranger in Moscow", "Threatened" or "Unbreakable" are easily in my Top 15 list of MJ songs. Honestly, that's probably my biggest complaint about MJ. Don't get me wrong, his shows were amazing and I get that they can't go on forever or that he can't do 3 hours like GNR, but I always felt he missed out to play some songs. For example, IMO "Bad" should have been a regular on every tour, but he hasn't performed it since the first leg of the Dangerous tour. Or "Will You Be There", that song was such a big hit it should have been on the HIStory tour setlist. All in all, my favorite set has to be the first leg of the HIStory tour. "Off The Wall medley", "The Way You Make Me Feel", "DS/Come Together" (which evwn then I would consider a deep cut). All the new HIStory album songs, all the hits from every important era. But there is no denying that the "This Is It" setlist and show would have been his absolute best. He had all the songs in there, from Off The Wall to Invincible. Songs like "Dirty Diana" and "Will You Be There" would have made a comeback, "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough", which is probably his biggest hit that he rarely did live would have been featured. I could go on and on about how great that tour would have been.
    3 points
  16. No, it was found on some Japanese market afaik.
    3 points
  17. I love the Village intro because it shifts from a peaceful atmosphere in the very beginning to a darker/angrier one towards the 1st verse. It will be great to have another version anyway, but I'm definitely no fan of the intro I've heard on the rehearsal (Mexico 2020).
    3 points
  18. I feel like you're dead on. Back in 2002 - 2006, I *never* thought I'd see the day where people spoke positively of Robin. But sure as shit, when he left, a bunch of people posted about the "good old days" with Robin in the band 😂
    2 points
  19. It was Doug Goodstein who said it and Doug was the executive producer of Howard TV. He hasn't been there for a long time so if Axl only had a problem with him, he could definitely go back on the show (slim chance I know). Doug and Mike Gange had gone to the MSG show together. I used to work with those guys in the late 2000's and when I asked them about it Doug felt kinda bad that he might have caused the tour cancellation. Gange thought it was hilarious.
    2 points
  20. I feel like people like to shit on current members because nostalgia, mainly. For some reason Tracy&Roberta are OK and should come back "if Axl needs help", but apparently Melissa shouldn't be there (even if she adds much more to the shows than just backing vocals). Same with the Gilby/Fortus comments. Some people don't realize it isn't 1992 anymore
    2 points
  21. The new Guns N Roses PlayStation 2 game looks great!
    2 points
  22. A Place With No Name (Original Version) is one of my favourite tracks that released after his death. I also agree about LNFSG, the reworked version is how this kind of thing should be done (Reworking it whilst keeping it true to the original). John McClain did a wonderful job on both that and Behind The Mask.
    2 points
  23. Of course that 2020 date isn't confirmed in any way, shape or form. Also, there's absolutely no chance the next GN'R studio album will have a new studio version of KOHD on it.
    2 points
  24. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/guns-n-roses-melissa-reese-interview-1003943/ The gig meant she had to learn roughly 50 songs in granular detail so she could help replicate them on the stage. That includes keyboard parts along with countless tiny samples she had to create herself, like the flute flurries on “November Rain,” along with guitar parts she plays on the keyboard and various sub-bass frequencies. “I had to do an insane amount of shit, plus be able to sing backgrounds for Axl,” she says. “It’s stuff that would be hard to pick out, because I’m using sounds that are meant to enhance what’s already going on with Richard [Fortus] or another guitar part. It’s supposed to just sound bigger when I’m doing it, but it’s not supposed to stand out.” and “I think that 99 percent of the people that go see Guns want to see the top hat and Axl do his thing and Duff,” says Mantia. “They don’t get at all what she’s adding. If you take her away, the low end where she’s doubling Slash’s riff on ‘Brownstone’ wouldn’t sound the same. Axl’s voice wouldn’t sound as thick on a lot of parts. But they wouldn’t give a fuck anyway, since they’re drunk and all they want to do is see Slash do his solo and twirl.”
    2 points
  25. https://www.facebook.com/gunsnroses/videos/705845094145615 just a funny animation promoting the tour
    2 points
  26. HardSkool (99 vocal) Atlas Shrugged (99 vocal) Silkworms (99 vocal) New Duff Song Knocking on Heavens Door (99 vocal) The General (07 vocal) Perhaps (99 vocal) Cover (07 vocal) New Duff Song Cover (07 vocal possibly Light My Fire) Oh My God (99 Vocal)
    2 points
  27. This and "Smooth Criminal" are my favorite songs of the entire movie. This "Human Nature" is pure magic. My favorite part, perhaps also of the entire movie is the one at 3:35 in this video. The way "Tell - them - that - it's - hu -man - na - ture" 100% harmonizes with the way the music goes. It's incredible.
    2 points
  28. It is because of that version that I cannot listen to ANY version of Human Nature without saying "BAM!" in the right spot.
    2 points
  29. Your description of the song fits perfectly with what I see in this performance. A perfect translation/transformation into choreography.
    2 points
  30. I think his performance of Human Nature during the This is It rehearsals might be the finest one he did. His voice was sublime.
    2 points
  31. I love the intro on the Village leak as well. So dramatic and mythical. Curious how the new version is going to sound like once it's finally released..
    2 points
  32. Not much else I can add that others haven't already been said. Big fan. I think my favourite "lesser known" song would be Is It Scary. I love that it seems to be a "Halloween song" or typical Thriller type track that one may associate with MJ at first but develops into having an obviously deeper meaning. Really powerful and chilling towards the end imo.
    2 points
  33. Always been an MJ fan. Waited for years until I finally could see him in concert, which was in '92. 1 week before Michael I saw GNR. Almost didn't want to go see MJ after that. Of course, that changed the second he shot up on stage. Beforehand I just wasn't quite in the mood for it, switching from a rock show to a pop show.
    2 points
  34. Ya I’m heading up tomorrow morning as well from S. Illinois. Been holding out on pit hoping it would drop to maybe $200, but it’s looking like they are holding strong at $250!🤷‍♂️ either way I’ll be there! First GN’R concert since the last Caesars Palace Show🤘
    2 points
  35. I think Bucket feels/felt especially burned by the whole thing. I doubt they speak. Which is sad because a guest appearance would be so killer.
    2 points
  36. @RussTCB loves 2000 Watts more than anyone. @lilacmess I actually run an MJ fan forum, which both Russ and myself post on. Check it out: Home | MYMJJFORUM (boards.net) And yes, I am also a Tori fan. My wife is a writer (and huge fan) and is interviewing her on Thursday. She is beyond stoked that she is getting to chat to the woman herself after being such a huge fan for so many years.
    2 points
  37. This gig further cemented just how amazing 1993 was for Axl in particular. He found his vocal groove, where his voice seemingly was in full control of his rasp and he didn't have the "razor blade gargling" sounds of '92 which in my opinion was a bit overkill. Add in the acoustic set and I just find it a shame the band wasn't able to keep itself together in that iteration for a new album in '94 or '95
    2 points
  38. Quit shitting on Melissa. Go shit on Axl for having her there if you don't like her. 🤷‍♂️
    2 points
  39. $2800 dollars to fuck up the patience solo 🤢🤮
    2 points
  40. This is the greatest thing to be discovered in gnr land in the past 3 years - probably going all the way back to CD coming out actually. The locker leaks were great and all, but this is just insanely awesome.
    2 points
  41. I mean dj went to that show in Vegas. I'm sure he sent Axl some kinda text saying great show of whatever. If Axl and Buckethead ran into each other they probably wouldn't even recognize each other lol
    2 points
  42. And Caram Constanzo. Again, you're amazing. MyGNR is really lucky to have you posting as a regular member. The amount of actual information and quotes you provide is truly fantastic.
    2 points
  43. The old intro felt a bit tacked on, but as far as melody goes I liked it.
    2 points
  44. Polite Canadians. And Saskatoon is in the prairies. Very hard working and calm folk. "Eh bud, can ya git me a second beer?" "Brother Dale, those fields wont tend themselves, eh - we ride at dawn, bud." "Right you are, Darrel, right you are. Maybe turn in early then bud?" *Just saw an above post as I write. Sounds right - I called the no beer!
    2 points
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