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  1. He's referencing the people that do show up. Of those who do vote, the minority has decided the makeup of the Senate and the White House.
  2. It’s pretty simple. If you win the most votes of any other candidate, you win the popular vote. As opposed to Bush in 2000 and Trump in 2016 (and almost certainly in 2020), another candidate obtained more votes.
  3. Clinton won the 1992 election by over 4 points; nearly 9 points in 1996.
  4. So what are English people suppose to call the symbol? What's the correct name for the symbol in English? Again, the first references to the n word surfaced in the 1500s. It was not until the late 1770s with the slave trade in full swing that the term became a slur. At least, according to historical records. So again, if the term was at one point a neutral term to describe someone with black skin, shouldn't your logic still apply?
  5. It's the word the English language uses to describe the symbol that was used in the Nazi flag. If you want to waste anymore time arguing over semantics, be my guest. No it wasn't. It was a term to describe dark skinned individuals. The historical account of the term doesn't reveal it to be used as a slur until two hundred years after its first use.
  6. You might be right. Perhaps I've played Wolfenstein too many times and the symbol and its associations with Nazism has been ingrained. That said, nearly every person I showed my images from my time India asked why I would take a picture of a swastika and why are they displayed in India. All except one person were not aware that it held a different meaning and association than what is common in North America. Also, I do recall now that my tour guide did make a point to explain to the group why the symbol is used and what it means. It felt as though the question came up a lot so
  7. Agreed. You're the one who keeps bringing up usage in other parts of the world Swastika is the English name for the symbol. Yes, Nazis never used this term, because there is a german word. Again, you have a problem with reading history backwards, then you should have no problem with using the n word. It wasn't considered a racial slur for several centuries. Give it a try next time you're out and let me know how it goes.
  8. Again, my exposure to it in India did not invoke judgment, just a pause and a feeling of discomfort considering my own personal associations with the imagery. We all make associations and arbitrary evaluations all the time. I think we're all a little more partial to matters of race and other issues than we all want to believe. I totally get that the word and symbol means something else entirely for a different group of people in a region of the world few people from my region visit or have a chance to be familiar with. But every culture has its own history and associations. Meanings can a
  9. You're simply rationalizing your own arbitrary associations. That's all we're talking about. Yes, for a long time the word and symbol meant one thing. And in the 20th century one group of people flew the symbol as their banner while attempting to eradicate millions of people. The association for most changed. If you want to rehabilitate the word and symbol then you're welcome to it. Most in North America won't want any part of it. But feel free to keeping fighting what you feel is the necessary fight.
  10. Apparently this is Q: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/men-qanon/story?id=73046374
  11. It's not just me though. Almost everyone in Western Europe and North America views the symbol as corrupted. For myself and most others, there is not reviving the term and symbol. One too many people died under that banner to ever bring back its original association for the vast majority of people who live in Europe and North America. Have you been to the US? Most Americans and Canadians have never traveled to Asia and wouldn't be aware of other associations. Fine. If you want to be on record as calling anyone who views the term and symbol in the pejorative sense as stupi
  12. Perhaps because your exposure to the symbol has less association with Nazism than most in western culture. It's the same way I felt about seeing caged dogs when I was in Hong Kong thirty years ago. For me dogs are pets, so to see them being prepped for dinner was really unsettling. But that was the way of life in Hong Kong so as much as it bothered me I didn't judge those who ate the animal. The same applied to when I saw the amount of garbage that litters most Indian cities. My western sensibilities were thrown off watching wondering cows chew through plastic bags. But I also under
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