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I love the chorus but the mix/effects hurt the vocals. 

It feels like it had a lot of potential if they were able to do more with it than just have Slash and Duff record new parts to stick in an existing song.

"Out Ta Get Me" was inspired by Axl being accused of rape, so, it wouldn't be the first time he's been accused.

I love Axl but I'm not going to get into trying to poke holes in her story because 1989 Axl Rose couldn't have done such a thing. 

5 hours ago, El Guapo said:

Have to agree, the latest leaks sound almost like AI generated "Gnr Chinese era with Slash" stuff. No real emotion and no love in the arrangements, more of a product than real music.

I like both of the new leaks but I feel more aware that they're sort of patched together from old and new recordings than I did on other songs. 

It's like when I watch The Crow and notice things they did to finish it without Brandon Lee.

15 hours ago, Karice said:

I have to confess to this day that I don't know exactly which Guns N'Roses Member is Axl's favorite Member. A lot of people say Slash is Axl's favorite Guns N'Roses Member, a lot of people say Izzy is Axl's favorite Guns N'Roses Member, a Fan even said something like,"Slash and Axl are like Best Friends. Izzy and Axl are like Brothers." But I have NEVER seen Izzy and Axl doing that playful rubbing up against each other thing that Axl and Slash do, nor have I ever seen Axl lean on Izzy like he does to Slash (Prime example, Welcome To The Jungle music video). 🤔 So I surmise that Slash is Axl's favorite Guns N'Roses Member. 😀🤔

Not just how happy Axl seems to be around Slash...how angry and bitter he was for so long towards Slash for leaving him.

10 hours ago, alfa75 said:

Does anyone really think guitar parts from Bucket or Robin will actually appear on new music? I mean, Axl wiped TSI of Izzy’s parts and Izzy was FAR more important to the overall scheme of things in GNR land than those guys ever were, and also a much more recent departure at the time. 

Slash and Richard will no doubt be the only guitarists on any of the upcoming material, CD era or not. 
 

I think Monsters pretty much proved that Slash can do the CD stuff justice, and although not universally agreed upon, all the releases from 2021-on absolutely worked with Slash. I think there have been two many assumptions about Slash’s ability to play stuff outside of his traditional wheelhouse. It seems he can handle it pretty well, and in the case of Monsters, very well. 
 

Also purely subjective, but Slash immediately made everything sound more GNR to my ears. 
 

 

Even if there are Buckethead or Finck parts that are good enough to remain on the song, I think they'd be replaced by Slash anyway because Slash and Duff working on Axl's demos is their game plan for the current band producing new music. 

I'm just catching up here. 

The General leaked and Monsters is another new song that also leaked? Like real leaks or just some cell phone recording or snippet? 

22 minutes ago, Rovim said:

I think the point I'm trying to make here is that if you're hired to do a job and you say you can do it and you get paid to do it, you do it. I don't believe Axl would have ever hired him if he knew where his focus was going to be (not really doing whatever he could to push Chinese) 

If the argument is "Azoff was hired to do a job, failed to do that job" you may be right. I don't know what, specifically, he was hired to do. He managed to get the album released, which was no small feat. 

But in the music/entertainment business, if there's no interest in what you're selling there's only so much you can do. And I don't think there was that much interest in "not really Guns N'Roses" for a variety of reasons by 2008. 

18 minutes ago, Rovim said:

maybe it wasn't weird at all and I prefer to judge it on a case by case basis, despite Axl's reputation. My opinion is that we can't just shrug off Azoff's approach here if in fact he wasn't committed to doing his job, which wasn't just getting Chinese out no matter what the cost was when it came to promotion and doing everything in his power to give Chinese every chance to fulfill its commercial potential, as low as you might think it was in 2008. 

I mean, he's not a magician. He can try to make Chinese Era GNR a thing but if the record industry and public don't want it, they don't want it. I loved that era of GNR. I liked the line up, loved the album, I didn't care it wasn't the original lineup. But I also remember that the sentiment towards GNR/Axl wasn't good. The lack of promotion could easily be because the record company got their money back, put the album out, and washed their hands of the whole 14 year saga. 

25 minutes ago, Rovim said:

I really don't know what actually happened there, but according to what Axl said about it, my best guess is what I said in the previous post about Azoff maybe knowing he couldn't deliver or wasn't interested in delivering what he promised Axl so he lied to him to get the job.

I love Axl but he did have a tendency to think everyone was out to get him/everything was other people's fault. 

I just don't think Chinese Democracy era GNR/the album were ever going to be as successful as Axl wanted them to be - at least not by 2008. The album cost too much money for the record company to invest anymore in, it had become something of a running joke and the band was "not really GNR" to most people. Getting Best Buy to pick up the tab so the record company would actually release the album was in itself a minor miracle. 

Azoff's long-term goal may have been reunion and maybe he wasn't as committed to Axl's GNR as Axl was but given the band/Axl's history I just find it hard to blame someone else for the weirdness. Everything they do, to this day, has some degree of weirdness to it.

I think if they did limited shows in select, big, markets they could make some money from those.

I don't think the larger concert going public would care if Izzy and Steven are there. 

My only real beef with Izzy is the "they didn't want to split the loot" thing. There's, like, nothing about Izzy that suggests he was willing to sign up for touring the world for years to come and he already got his "loot" when he wanted out of the band and they bought him out. 

I don't know if it was "toxic" but it must have been endless frustration. You're working on music for years, told it's going to be released and then it just isn't. It's just tinkered with over and over for years until people give up and leave so then new people come in to work on the same stuff and have that tinkered with over and over. Every time it seems like things are starting to happen they just don't. I can see that wearing on people after a while.

I just don't see why "it wouldn't work as a single" matters when they're just finishing up old songs and releasing them individually. There's no album that people may or may not buy based off hearing "The General", worse case scenario you release it to stream and people just don't like it. 

Of course on the flip side, if all they're doing is finishing up old songs and putting them out here and there it really doesn't matter if they tack one onto the single for another. 

I think people try to edit it down into one album and consider anything else that didn't make the cut "filler". I think everything (except "My World" or the same song with different lyrics) deserved to be recorded and released. At the very least I don't feel like they stuck a bunch of filler in there just to make it two albums - it was more than one album and maybe they threw some stuff in that would have been a B side somewhere to even them out.

10 minutes ago, Karice said:

I did some research on Izzy and apparently he said something like," When I was still an active Band Member, Guns N'Roses wanted to cut a lot of my  Royalties out, WHY would I be okay with a lot of my Royalties being cut? I was there since day one, so I walked away." He really was there since day one. He was part of Hollywood Rose which preceded Guns N'Roses. 

 

 

He was doing it to get/stay sober but by the end he was distancing himself so much from the band he was travelling on his own and sending in his recordings and demos so he didn't have to be around them. So he stopped being part of the process then wanted to be out of it all together. 

7 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

I saw that too, but I thought he meant just equal shares of the live shows not that he might have been expecting to become a partner again.

Is it confirmed he sold his shares?

I thought he meant equal money for the reunion tour itself but I remember some quote that was attributed to, I think, Duff about Izzy wanting his share back and it not happening. 

I haven't read up on it all in years but I think it had something to do with them having to buy Steven out. When Izzy left he had to be bought out too. I can't remember the specifics of that but it was Axl/Slash/Duff that were controlling the GNR brand and involved in lawsuits together and against each other over it so it doesn't seem like Izzy had any interest in GNR after he left.

14 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

That would be an insane position for Izzy to take, if he asked to be bought out then that's that. IF he came back he comes back as an original member, but he's a hired player without the same pay as the partners who assume the legal risks, and other financial shit etc.

I guess you never know, Izzy seems cool... but you also never hear him speak or giving his opinion so how do we know where he stands on the business end of things, maybe he's more of an ex-hippie businessman these days

Axl addressed Izzy's absence with some vague "Izzy's Izzy" type response during an interview and Izzy responded on Twitter that it was bullshit and that Axl/Duff/Slash didn't want to "split the loot equally" - so it seems like he expected to get paid as much as Axl/Duff/Slash. 

8 hours ago, Politania said:

One time, someone's comment somewhere caught my eye about Izzy's comeback to the band.

This person said: what was said to the public, was different from what's been goin gon behind the scenes. Izzy was demanding his % of record roaylties back, that he sold to Axl when he left the band in 1991.  (ps. From what I remember that was Iz's idea? right?). This person also said: Izzy isnt willing to buy them back either. He wants them for free.

Maybe it's just another speculation, but this version could be true also.

What do you think ?

I remember some quote like "Izzy thinks he's going to get his shares back and it's not gonna happen" or something like that. 

At the very least Izzy seemed to want to be paid equal to the partners despite selling his share of the partnership decades ago. That didn't turn out to be a wise financial decision but that's what he wanted at the time. 

39 minutes ago, star said:

To be honest, i don't think there will be another new album worked on from the ground up (i hope i am wrong) 

It takes them forever just to dust off an old track and sort of finish it. I say sort of finish it, as Hard Skool sounded like it needed more work. I picked up Hard Skool on Vinyl, just for keep's sake (it's still sealed) as i can play the track on YouTube

It still bugs me to this they that there is potentially a lot of Buckethead material thet will never see the light of day, as he recorded it while under contract to G'N'R 

Recording a new album is such a basic, common sense thing to do I have to assume there's some reason they haven't done it. Either Axl's creatively bankrupt or he can't sing. There's gotta be some reason why 20 year old demos that already have Axl's voice on them are all they seem to be working with.

All the live stuff didn't excite me at first because I've been listening to them live for decades now and played out my UYI VHS tapes back in the day. Nothing new there.

And it's still nothing new but holy shit I forgot how good they were live. Pleasantly surprised how much I'm enjoying it!

On 8/31/2022 at 5:05 PM, darkside259 said:

i thought the same, when i was hearing for first time civil war i thought that they had two singers 

I thought when he used his deeper voice it was Slash.

Axl must have been in the news a lot at the time because I was like 8 and my Dad told me to turn off that "Alex Rose" when the November Rain video came on.

The first time I actually started listening to them was when You Could be Mine was in Terminator 2 and I had it on a mixed tape. 

To be honest I can see why she was fired for that. I assume she's on the clock and she's secretly filming a guest. 

It all adds up.

We know Axl's a basketball fan. It makes sense he'd like the Lakers because he lives in LA. It makes sense he'd like Iverson because he's also temperamental and skips practice.