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  1. 6 minutes ago, James Bond said:

    This is definitely the best the drums have ever sounded on a UYI recording. The mix is fantastic. Overall though, not much different in terms of orchestration - and that's a good thing I think. It's the same iconic song with a bit more clarity and some parts stand out more as a result. I dig it.

    I don't think so. The vocals have just been brought more forward in the mix during the outro so bits that previously sat lower in the mix are a lot more audible now. I think the vocals are a touch louder throughout the song as a whole than they ever were - likely to just make them stand above the orchestra if I had to guess.

    There’s also just a lot less reverb and whatever wet fx on the vocal so it sits much further forward. They also reintroduced a lot more body in the vocal so again sits more forward and center. Just a lot more low and low-mid stuff than the OG mix. Using real strings or better string samples has made a huge difference too

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  2. For those with qualms about the outro, a lot of it is just a massive headroom problem with 8,000 things going on. It would sound weird if there was a drop in volume in the outro to make sure everything is crystal clear, so you have to start making choices as far as what to feature. In this context, it’s a rock song; but also a pop song. Vocal is god. Then drums. The guitar leaf is almost a vocal here, a counter melody, but then there are also like 500 vocals. AND THEN you have the new live strings, which are taking up more of the frequency range than whatever keyboard synth Axl used. And then just modern sensibilities wants more low end in general, which takes up more headroom and is another challenge dealing with compression, So yeah it’s a challenge. I thought it sounded cool.

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  3. I came here literally to compliment the mix. Holy fuck, if the rest of it sounds like this, wow. Sounds like they replaced some of the string synths with actual strings or better string samples, maybe added parts. The bass is much deeper, same for the kick, just more sub information that used to get cut out back in the day. They stripped a lot of the stuff of the day that can make it sound dated. Axl’s vocal is so much more full. Oh my good I could go on.

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  4. I try not to be reflexively skeptical of things that are new, but I am part of a mixing academy and it had a presentation on Dolby atmos, and it just screamed 3D TV to me. It’s undoubtedly cool, but it’s hard to see the average consumer caring enough to buy special speaker systems or headphones to really get its effect, like how the major barrier to 3D TVS was that everyone would have to buy a new tv and wear glasses. And there’s the similar sort of corporate push for it, like how movie studios kept making 3D versions of movies or movies that solely existed to show off the 3D technology. I don’t know that Dolby atmos mixes make a meaningful enough difference to the listening experience to average people for it to mean anything to anyone other than audio nerds, and the companies who spent millions of dollars investing in it. 
     

    As far as the GNR of it all, it’s not that recordings need to be *made* for atmos, but retrofitting a 30 year old album for it is a challenge. You’re used to hearing it is a certain way and space for 30 years, especially when you wrote it, I’m sure it’s weird to heard the Dolby Atmos version. That said Axl was always ahead of the curve on being open to new styles, wasn’t UYI originally mixed with Q Sound? So idk. 

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  5. On 2/11/2022 at 8:40 AM, ZoSoRose said:

    I’m the only one but I think HS sounds great. The mix is loud and clear; I can hear every instrument clearly :shrugs:

    Idk, the guitars are super mid forward and nasally, boxy/honky. Drums sound a little weird, the kick is a bit metal clicky which doesn’t quite fit. Axl’s vocal is a bit buried. However, I got damn adore the bass tone.

     

    I would love for them to work with Eric Valentine. He did Apocalyptic Love and I think that is the best sounding record Slash has been a part of post-2000. Just big, powerful, but natural.

    On 2/11/2022 at 10:27 AM, Majestic Beast said:

    Should try Sneap from Judas Priest for the production,clean,modern,heavy as should be.Or Bob Erzin maybe.

    Sneap is an absolute GOD. Invented the sound of modern heavy music. 70% of big time metal mixers these days trace back to the Sneap forum.

  6. Probably 75% of the reason I ever listened to Slash featuring the Dad Rocks was because the production was fucking killer. But man, this record is rough. It’s not the fact that it was recorded live, but the mix is just rough. Muddy, drums are largely lost aside from some paper grocery bag flaps. Guitars are harsh. Vocals buried (some might find this appealing). I get that this is a guitarist driven album, so guitars will be featured. But yeah. I’m not opposed to the live studio recording in theory, but this mix/master on 4 was rough.

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  7. 21 hours ago, riot said:

    All true!

    I still prefer generic dj's this i love solo over slash noodling anything over this I love. I find it sad that nobody decided to just do robin's perfect solo note for note

    Idk, DJ’s TiL solo is the exact thing of his I hated. It wasn’t bad enough he was douchey, the dude just isn’t a good enough lead guitar player. He just played so boring but out of tune and couldn’t hit a bend to save his life. His tone was awful. I literally have nothing nice to say about him as a lead guitarist. 
     

    I remember when we talked about Robin being sloppy, and he was! But it was from a place of passion and style, not inability. And Finck wasn’t some technical marvel, either. Idk. I just never got the Ashba thing and never will.

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  8. DJ Ashba. Accusing someone of cutting out the cool factor in the band. In other news, a kettle is outraged after a pot mistook its own reflection on the kettle as the kettle’s actual color, and called it black. 

    15 hours ago, -W.A.R- said:

    Bucket is an amazing guitar player but it is true that he didn't fit the image of GNR (nor did Finck early on when he had that whatever-the-fuck-you-call-it haircut).

    However the irony here is that the DJ era was even less "cool" than the freak show era.

    The freak show era was at least interesting. The Ashba years were just a sad Vegas dinosaur act.

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  9. 1 minute ago, Blackstar said:

    Funnily enough, GnR fired Bob Clearmountain in 1991 because he used drum samples on the UYI mixes.

    But a lifetime has passed since then.

    Which is ironic for all the anti-compression people, because, do you know what you need to do to get a snare drum to sound like it does on UYI if you aren't using samples? My god slam those things -infinity gain reduction.

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  10. Just now, WVsax27 said:

    I was listening to an interview with Mitch Allan (currently a producer, former one hit wonder with SR-71) and he mentioned that he doesn't even keep real drums in his studio atm because no one is using them. 

    Yeah, John Feldmann has live drums but people who work in his studio say unless it's Travis Barker, the drums are Superior Drummer.

     

    To make a competitive commercial mix, you almost *have* to have drum samples either supporting or replacing. Your drummer has to be absolutely world class to get away with not doing it these days, guys who hit 127 midi velocity irl. The number of those in existence are small, and somehow appear to all be in prog metal bands or gospel. Otherwise, you are getting sample supplemented or replaced, because your mix will sound weird, thin, and dated. And this has been the case for 30 years. There are analog units used in the 90's that contain shell samples used on classic hit records. This is far from new.

     

    The amount of things that are programmed these days would astound you. The bass modelers these days are even incredible (personally love Submission Audio's punkbass and djinnbass). It's just what it is, and if your heroes had all this stuff back then, ways to make their mixes even better and hit harder, they would do it, too.

  11. 9 minutes ago, Fozzie Bear said:

    Dude they ALL SOUND unfinished.  Does nobody own AFD or UYI?  Go listen to a properly mixed GN'R SONG and then listen to this stuff.  It's a cut and paste hack job of a song that's 22 years old.   This is not a band that got in the studio and made this song...it's Axl telling them "whatever, do something with this..."

    My guy, if you knew how music has been recorded over the past 20-30 years, you would be very disappointed.

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  12. On 9/19/2021 at 4:03 PM, ZoSoRose said:

    That’d be great! I’d love some slash cabs. All my IRs are more greenbacks, I need some good V30s

    You ever mess with GGD's Zilla cabs? IT's based off of Zilla cabinets, obviously, but they include v30's and differet mics that if you use the 4x12 they have in there, with the v 30's, and then just copy the mics from the Eric Valentine video on recording Slash, you can get pretty darn close. Pair it with the Mercuriall Spark amp sim and you're about there. I swear the Mercuriall is the absolute best emulation of the Slash signature amp, even better than the officially licensed one from amplitube.

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