gnrfan2007

So, after thinking through all of these, please provide a rational argument why you believe Axl was unjustified to act like the "boss" of GnR, and in your words a CONTROL FREAK.

I have answered those questions adequately and more importantly rationally. Look what is going here will just be a broken record. I answered and refuted your claims and answered the question.

I am sorry your bias does not have room for the logical arguments presented to the point where you ask questions I have already addressed quite well, but that isn't on me. Revisionist history such that you provided (Axl being the sole Mr. Boss in 1985 on) after all isn't not logical and sound because of reasons already stated

You have?

Your claim is: Axl is a CONTROL FREAK

My counter claim: You can't be a control freak of something that you own

Has there ever been a time in GnR's history, where Axl was never been a MAJORITY OWNER of the name and corporation (band) named "Guns n' Roses"?

If no, then Axl has every right as a MAJORITY OWNER to assert what he wants for the band.

It's that simple.

That's sad if Slash doesn't like Izzy's style. That's what made Guns N' Roses.

Eh I wouldn't extrapolate any real conclusion out of Slash's one quote about Izzy back then. He has made a lot more comments complimenting Izzy, and more recently, that it is more likely to be a "in the moment" feeling as opposed to an overall dislike of Izzy's parts.

But yeah that one-two punch of Izzy and Slash's guitars were incredible on AFD

LMAO!

I guess this is one of your examples of how you are so fair and not black/white, huh?

What is more likely to be true ... a statement put out closer to the Izzy time era ... or those statements put out more recently to sell a GnR autobiography, hype a GnR reunion in the form of VR, hype a GnR reunion for RnR HOF, and to paint yourself as the good guy against Axl?

Don't fool yourself ... Izzy quitting was what Slash has wanted. Even better would have been if Axl joined his band.

Slash's has a habit speaking honestly about band members after they quit or he fires them. Just go find all the nasty stuff he said about Scott Weiland ... how Weiland fawked his creative control in VR.

His statements about Scott are similar to what he said about Izzy's primitive guitar playing.

That is why your position of trying to place blame *fairly* is ridiculous! It is certainly not a position that deserves admiration.

It isn't about being fair it is being a realist and rational, you may like what Axl has going on currently - as do I - but that doesn't mean he didn't play any negatvie part on the implosion of the old lineup

At the end of the day, Axl protected what he believed is his... what he believes he started.

What he believed was his does not dicate what it really was, at least up until 1991 that is

So how you try to equate Pearl Jam's situation with GnR's situation makes no sense and doesn't help whatever it is you are trying to prove.

It does help, because you clearly articulated in your post the whole "Axl own the band and is the boss" based on original membership as well as a hand in the name but that is not the case.

If Axl is the one who assembled the parts, that clearly makes him the creative force behind the band.

The creative force IS the band, there is nothing to be behind, the band's creative energy took off once the people got together and it modulated into a collaborative band - no more, no less - at least until the contract issues later on

, the historical facts clearly establish Axl as being the "boss" of the band from the beginning.

Unfortunately, no matter how many times you say it is simply will not ever come true. It is just revisionist history, not objective reality by any means. I admire your candor and enthusiam for Axl though, but it just won't make this true

Let's try this one last time.

Recall your original claim: Axl is a control freak

1987-1993: Axl is LEGALLY a majority owner of the name, and hence the corporation.

post-1993: Axl is the LEGAL SOLE MAJORITY owner of the name, and hence the corporation.

What about pre-1987? If GnR never incorporated in 1987, who do you believe the courts would favor as being the owner of the "Guns n' Roses" name, and hence the corporation (band)?

Here are some HINTS:

Where does the name "Guns n' Roses" come from?

When Tracci Guns quits the band, and in effect gives up all rights to the name, who then owns the name "Guns n' Roses"?

Who is the one who auditioned and approved everyone else from the classic lineup?

Izzy never had to auditioned, but how many times did he quit and rejoin the band?

Did Izzy want Slash to join the band? Who recruited/hired Slash despite Izzy's wishes?

What are the chances Duff and Adler would have been auditioned/recruited/hired by Axl if they were not good friends of Slash?

So, after thinking through all of these, please provide a rational argument why you believe Axl was unjustified to act like the "boss" of GnR, and in your words a CONTROL FREAK.

And no, your Pearl Jam analogy is not a good answer.

So we also know now that Axl was full of shit when he said that he wanted to make an "Aerosmith Rocks" type of album that would have really pleased Slash back in 1996. He told Kurt Loder in the 1999 or 2000 interview that he wanted to make an Appetite sounding record.

Ummm ... NO.

What you think The Spaghetti Incident was? It was a compromise to keep things rolling because they couldn't agree on a creative direction. Axl did indeed wanted a simpler AFD-like rock album because it would been quicker to do given the situation he and the band was in.

Now listen to Slash's stuff post GnR. Slash's stuff sound more like the songs he wrote for UYIs.

Except for the solos, the overall AFD rock sound is not Slash's sound. Slash has been quoted as saying many times how he can't stand Izzy's style. The AFD rock sound is actually too simplistic for Slash's liking.

What Slash wanted post UYIs after the tour ended was what he eventually put out on his Snakepit albums. That's the rock sound he wanted for GnR.

To get Slash to want to do an AFD-like rock album, meant Slash would have to play second fiddler to Axl and Izzy again ... just like on AFD. Izzy was actually convinced to come back. But then as Marc Canter put it, Slash got BIG HEADED because Axl only liked 3-4 of his Snakepit songs. Then, everything just fell apart after that.

It's not called Izzy n' Roses, or Slash n' Roses, or Duff n' Roses, or Adler n' Roses. It was the merger of Axl Rose's band with Tracii Guns' band. Then Tracii quit. Then everybody else from the classic lineup was *HIRED* to join the band. The only person who never had to audition to join Axl's band was Izzy because they were childhood buddies.

They joined the band, not hired. Unless if you can show me the contract write ups from 1985 where Axl was named the legal owner and was authorized to hire. But alas, the members joined, they established a collaborative relationship where Axl was the frontman and singer but not "boss"

As for naming the band - look at Pearl Jam. Eddie Vedder was the last member to join the band yet he is essentially the main dude in Pearl Jam now. Origins of a band name in lineup DO NOT dictate a boss relatoinship with the other band members

So, if you want to view things from a HISTORICAL (FACTUAL) point of view, Axl became the sole owner of the "Guns n' Roses" band when Tracci left.

Lol that is not factual, that is you hating Slash and loving Axl so you rewite history in naming Axl as the "always have been boss" when that is not necceasrily the case. Original =/= owner, especially when band relationships gain a different context based on who is in the band and what they band does

So for folks like you to continually make ex-members of GnR the victims and Axl the abuser is once again completely ludicrous!

I am not, see here is the thing: you see things so black and white that you cannot comprehend a person like me who places the blame on everyone in the band. I don't just blame Axl.

So please stop twisting my words into an anti-Axl sentiment, because all it really is is a more objective realism than what your posts have to offer

So we agree! You want to use the word "join" ... and I used the word "hire" to emphasize the similarities to what happens when a band is incorporated as a legal business.

If Axl's band had money, management, and a backing record company back when he was auditioning people like Slash, then yes, Axl's management and lawyers would have had to draw up contracts and hire everybody on ... just like how Gilby and Matt were hired ... and just like the CD members were hired. Even Axl is legally an employee of his own corporation.

So no matter which terminology you want to use, the historical facts clearly establish Axl as being the "boss" of the band from the beginning. If the word "boss" is too much for you, then perhaps "hiring manager" or "recruiter" is better for you! Maybe those auditioning tapes exist somewhere!

So not only was the origin of the band name "Guns n' Roses" from Axl, Axl was the one "approving" (ie. hiring) the people who could join his band. For goodness sake, Axl hired Slash against Izzy's wishes! And without Slash, there would have been no Duff and Adler too.

If Axl is the one who assembled the parts, that clearly makes him the creative force behind the band. That original lineup would not have existed had Axl heed to Izzy's desires. And if my memory serves me right, Izzy quit the band not too long after Slash was hired too! He later rejoined of course.

So using your terminology and world view, the relationship in the band was clearly established as Axl being at the top of the band structure right from the beginning when Tracii quit and Axl began auditioning/recruiting/hiring people to *join* his band.

Never once, has Axl never been a majority owner of his band. Even when they incorporated the band in 1987, Axl remained a majority owner of his band. By the end of 1993, Axl became the LEGAL sole majority owner of the band.

Had GnR never been incorporated in 1987, the courts today would clearly favor Axl as the legal owner of the GnR name, and hence the GnR corporation (band). The courts would of course expect Axl to pay alimony or child-support (ie. royalties), but it would be very difficult to find a rational argument against not favoring Axl as the owner of the GnR name and hence, the owner of the GnR corporation (band).

So how you try to equate Pearl Jam's situation with GnR's situation makes no sense and doesn't help whatever it is you are trying to prove. I have no details of who owns what in Pearl Jam. But Pearl Jam just like GnR is a corporation. So whoever has majority control of the Pearl Jam corporation, could assert their ownership of the band if they wished.

If Eddie Vedder does not have equal or majority control, then clearly he has the confidence of the majority owners to run the corporation, ie. Eddie is the elected CEO

So yeah, you're the one who sees things as black and white! LOL

Folks like you want to place blame. Like you said, you blame mostly Axl, but you also place blame on the other ex members.

Cry me a river! I could careless who is to blame! At the end of the day, it doesn't fawking matter!

At the end of the day, Axl protected what he believed is his... what he believes he started. It doesn't matter how he did, who he pissed off, or if he screwed anybody. He did what felt he needed to do to protect what is his. He did what felt was necessary to continue GnR. He is in control of his band, business, and life. He did it by outsmarting everybody else.

Such is life. You either protect what is yours to enable you to live your life the way you want, or you let others screw you over and rule all over you.

All the whiners feel like Axl screwed them and/or Axl's owes them. Then they use their whining and complaining to milk the fans of their money! And if you dig deep enough, they are just bitter losers whining and complaining because they are missing out on a lot money! That's it.

That is why your position of trying to place blame *fairly* is ridiculous! It is certainly not a position that deserves admiration.

It simply doesn't matter who is to blame. Axl remains in control of his destiny whether you think it is *fair* or not.

He's the BOSS of HIS BAND!

That is one of the dumbest things Slasholes always say.

Not a "Slashole" although you clearly do love black and white rhetoric so it is expected for you to make blanket judgment statments like that

It was not "his band" until the contracts legally said so when the name issue of the 90's happened. He was not the "boss" in 1987 - he was the frontman of a collaborative rock band. No amount of spin can change that

They all threw stones first ... each blaming everyone else except themselves.

Not they they are without faults, but that doesn't mean their "blame" was totally irrational, based on quite a bit of statements made by a quite a lot of people

Whether you want to accept reality or not, Axl's band is called Guns n' Roses for a reason.

It's not called Izzy n' Roses, or Slash n' Roses, or Duff n' Roses, or Adler n' Roses. It was the merger of Axl Rose's band with Tracii Guns' band. Then Tracii quit. Then everybody else from the classic lineup was *HIRED* to join the band. The only person who never had to audition to join Axl's band was Izzy because they were childhood buddies.

So, if you want to view things from a HISTORICAL (FACTUAL) point of view, Axl became the sole owner of the "Guns n' Roses" band when Tracci left.

Guns n' Roses was Axl's band long before it was ever legally incorporated for the purpose of doing business with their management and record company.

If you don't want to accept that reality, that's fine.

Today's reality is more undeniable: GnR belongs to Axl Rose both in spirit and the LAW.

So to try to claim that Axl is a control freak of his own band - of his business and his life - is completely stupid.

Look at Slash and his control freakishness over his VR and Snakepit bands. It's no different. But yet, you would never hear folks like you call Slash a control freak!

Listen to Alan Niven talk about David Geffen and his record company Geffen too.

Everybody who is the boss of their own business has every right to run it the way they see fit. That is why bosses are assholes.

You want things your way, then start your own business!

It's all a part of life. It's all a part of business. You fight for what is yours.

In the end, it's their own stupidity and fault that they were not able to protect their self-interests. Slash, Duff, Izzy, Niven, and anybody else who whines about how things went down with Axl ... have nobody else to blame but themselves.

Axl was smart enough to protect his interests. That makes him the winner and everybody else the bitter whining losers!

Strange how the one criticized as the crazy one is the one who who outsmarted everybody else, huh?

So for folks like you to continually make ex-members of GnR the victims and Axl the abuser is once again completely ludicrous!

It's Axl's band, business, and his life!

But how do you deal with a crazy person? How do you deal with someone who asks for photos to show to someone named Yoda? At one point it's normal to say fuck it. Slash, Izzy, Duff, they all moved on, while Axl's still bitching about the past. It's pathetic.

LMAO ... Yeah, they all moved on after they did their 10 years of bitching.

They all threw stones first ... each blaming everyone else except themselves.

It's only now that GnR is back strong that Axl has a strong base to tell his side of the story.

It must get on your nerves that everybody who knows Axl tell the same story huh?. Axl is a control freak and he's crazy. If you don't accept reality it's not my problem. And lol... gnr is back strong... yeah sure they're strong, whatever.

Everybody tells the same story? Really? LOL

It's everybody who feels like Axl *owes them* something for his wealth and fame for which Axl cut them off at some point.

Are you not a control freak when it comes to things you feel are yours? To protect what you feel is yours the way you feel is best?

Are you not a control freek about your own LIFE?

If Axl had joined another band and acted like he was the boss, then that would be him being a control freak.

But GnR is indeed Axl's band! It's his business. It's his LIFE!

So to call Axl a control freak over his own *life* is stupid!

Very intresting interview, thanks for posting.

Not really a revalation that Axl is super controlling, but it is still intresting to hear stories about the old days

WTF? It's his band!!!

He's the BOSS of HIS BAND!

That is one of the dumbest things Slasholes always say.

Do you not think Slash is controlling of HIS BANDS? Why you think he fired Scott Weiland and need to get away to do his solo stuff? Because he wanted control over everything!

Isn't it funny how everybody who has ever felt like Axl fawked them over ... always finds a way to rip Axl after the fact.

Alan's whole diatribe basically boils down to this:

IT WAS ME ... that made [old] GnR rich and famous! OLD-GnR is the real GnR because IT WAS ME that made them! IT WAS ME ME ME!

Clearly, Alan is still bitter that he got fired and his career subsequently went downhill afterwards. And of course, he blames Axl for it.

And despite Alan's claims, it does boil down to MONEY. Don't be fooled. Alan would certainly rather be making the royalties he could have been getting to this day instead of the peanuts he got bought out for. The money and fame could have certainly helped to prevent his depression and nose-dive in life personally.

Somebody also needs to tell Alan that its 2013 ... not 1987 anymore.

But how do you deal with a crazy person? How do you deal with someone who asks for photos to show to someone named Yoda? At one point it's normal to say fuck it. Slash, Izzy, Duff, they all moved on, while Axl's still bitching about the past. It's pathetic.

LMAO ... Yeah, they all moved on after they did their 10 years of bitching.

They all threw stones first ... each blaming everyone else except themselves.

It's only now that GnR is back strong that Axl has a strong base to tell his side of the story.

Listen to the laughter. This is what most people outside of this forum think of Axl and his new band.

Correction: This is what most people outside of this forum in western countries like the USA think of Guns n' Roses: the cool band from the '80s that became uncool during the alternative rock era.

Let make it clear for you: if it wasn't for the CD ALBUM and their great shows, they would have never been asked to headline this kind of festival.

Yeah man fuck the tunes that everyone knows like SCOM and Paradise City, these folks are going to stay for GNR so they can hear Axl sing soulful rendiditons of Madagascar and This I Love...

I guess you missed the point of the petition ... folks like Mr Lebrun don't want to listen to ANY GnR songs because GnR is unworthy for a festival like this.

If GnR only had songs like SCOM and PC, then yeah ... GnR does not belong in this festival.

Clearly, the old stuff is not why festival organizers invited GnR to headline along with Kanye and Kings of Leon.

GN'R are worthy of any festival. GN'R are the measure of rock n' roll. Fact.

Yes, this GnR is worthy of this festival.

But some folks have a hard time understanding why non-GnR fans hate GnR.

listen, no one gives 2 stinky shits about CD. The only reason they were invited was because of the old hits. Minus the old material, do you HONESTLY think they would have EVER invited Axl and his circus to this show?

NO ONE IN AMERICA HAS EVER HEARD OF CHINESE DEMOCRACY OUTSIDE OF THE MOST DIEHARD FANS.

Sorry mate ... to have to burst your fantasy world.

A reunionize OLD GnR covering only the AFD and UYI materials could never in a billion years have been invited to this kind of festival.

If [new] GnR did not have CD, they would never in a billion years been invited to this kind of festival either. This is what an album like CD has done for GnR. It has elevated GnR to another level of artistic respect.

Go check out the performers list for this festival. Go listen to the jukebox on the website. Tell me how many top 20 hits you recognize?

If you're worried that CD is not a top charting hit, don't worry ... they will be in good company at this festival.

And most of the people attending this festival have never heard the GnR classic hits ... maybe WTTJ at a sporting event.

Even if Axl brought his 'A' game and GnR put on the best show of their lives ... it may not be enough to impress the crowd at this festival. But if GnR can survive this festival, brighter future is ahead for the band.

Let make it clear for you: if it wasn't for the CD ALBUM and their great shows, they would have never been asked to headline this kind of festival.

Yeah man fuck the tunes that everyone knows like SCOM and Paradise City, these folks are going to stay for GNR so they can hear Axl sing soulful rendiditons of Madagascar and This I Love...

I guess you missed the point of the petition ... folks like Mr Lebrun don't want to listen to ANY GnR songs because GnR is unworthy for a festival like this.

If GnR only had songs like SCOM and PC, then yeah ... GnR does not belong in this festival.

Clearly, the old stuff is not why festival organizers invited GnR to headline along with Kanye and Kings of Leon.

GN'R are worthy of any festival. GN'R are the measure of rock n' roll. Fact.

Yes, this GnR is worthy of this festival.

But some folks have a hard time understanding why non-GnR fans hate GnR.

Let make it clear for you: if it wasn't for the CD ALBUM and their great shows, they would have never been asked to headline this kind of festival.

Yeah man fuck the tunes that everyone knows like SCOM and Paradise City, these folks are going to stay for GNR so they can hear Axl sing soulful rendiditons of Madagascar and This I Love...

I guess you missed the point of the petition ... folks like Mr Lebrun don't want to listen to ANY GnR songs because GnR is unworthy for a festival like this.

If GnR only had songs like SCOM and PC, then yeah ... GnR does not belong in this festival.

Clearly, the old stuff is not why festival organizers invited GnR to headline along with Kanye and Kings of Leon.

Well, duh ... Axl is the only guy they know from GnR! LOL

Again you cannot say if they know Slash or not. It is kind of stupid to generalize all those people and say none of them know Slash...Plus you said this :

They just remember the 1987 GnR and Slash whoring on stage for anybody willing to pay him post 1993.

So since they only know Axl they wouldn't know about Slash's "whoring on stage" - which in itself is faulty and shitty rhetoric

You really think these folks are following what is happening with GnR? LOL

Judging from their comments about Axl's antics they know a little bit about GNR - not hardcore amounts but more than you give them credit for...

You need to seriously go look over the list of bands playing at the Governor's Ball. They even have a jukebox with singles from each of the acts performing.

There's a reason why Slash's Snakepit was not invited to this festival. This is not a festival for that kind of generic music.

If GnR only had AFD+UYI materials or Axl was fronting Slash's band, there is no way they would have ever been invited to this festival ... let alone headline the LAST DAY of the festival.

Why GnR even accepted to perform at this festival, knowing they will be hostile territory if GnR fans are drowned out by fans of these other performers, is testament to the evolution of this band.

It's because of CD that GnR is able to fit in with the rest of these performers.

This is a BIG ACCOMPLISH for GnR to reach this new level of artistic respect. An artistic respect that the OLD band never had, hence, why there are many people who don't think GnR deserves or should be on the list of performers with these other performers.

If GnR can impress at this festival, it will be great big step moving forward and securing GnR's legacy as real musicians.

Thing is, though, they're playing MOSTLY pre-1994 songs.

Mostly? Sorry man. I'm pretty sure the setlist is pretty equal 1/3 for CD, UYI, and AFD.

So I'm right... 2/3 of the set is pre-1994 music.

2/3 = Mostly

Nice try. The context of your comment was clearly to insult GnR.

Clearly, if you have 3 major albums, on any given night, you will often chose songs from all three albums equally ... which works out to 1/3 for each album.

What is wrong with you man? You said GNR was chosen to play because of the Chinese Democracy songs in their set. I said MOST of the songs in their set were released before 1994. You said that wasn't true. But it is true. Is it that hard to understand?

Except that is not what I said.

Let make it clear for you: if it wasn't for the CD ALBUM and their great shows, they would have never been asked to headline this kind of festival.

Well, duh ... Axl is the only guy they know from GnR! LOL

Again you cannot say if they know Slash or not. It is kind of stupid to generalize all those people and say none of them know Slash...Plus you said this :

They just remember the 1987 GnR and Slash whoring on stage for anybody willing to pay him post 1993.

So since they only know Axl they wouldn't know about Slash's "whoring on stage" - which in itself is faulty and shitty rhetoric

You really think these folks are following what is happening with GnR? LOL

Judging from their comments about Axl's antics they know a little bit about GNR - not hardcore amounts but more than you give them credit for...

You need to seriously go look over the list of bands playing at the Governor's Ball. They even have a jukebox with singles from each of the acts performing.

There's a reason why Slash's Snakepit was not invited to this festival. This is not a festival for that kind of generic music.

If GnR only had AFD+UYI materials or Axl was fronting Slash's band, there is no way they would have ever been invited to this festival ... let alone headline the LAST DAY of the festival.

Why GnR even accepted to perform at this festival, knowing they will be hostile territory if GnR fans are drowned out by fans of these other performers, is testament to the evolution of this band.

It's because of CD that GnR is able to fit in with the rest of these performers.

This is a BIG ACCOMPLISH for GnR to reach this new level of artistic respect. An artistic respect that the OLD band never had, hence, why there are many people who don't think GnR deserves or should be on the list of performers with these other performers.

If GnR can impress at this festival, it will be great big step moving forward and securing GnR's legacy as real musicians.

Thing is, though, they're playing MOSTLY pre-1994 songs.

Mostly? Sorry man. I'm pretty sure the setlist is pretty equal 1/3 for CD, UYI, and AFD.

So I'm right... 2/3 of the set is pre-1994 music.

2/3 = Mostly

Nice try. The context of your comment was clearly to insult GnR.

Clearly, if you have 3 major albums, on any given night, you will often chose songs from all three albums equally ... which works out to 1/3 for each album.

It's because of CD that GnR is able to fit in with the rest of these performers.

This is a BIG ACCOMPLISH for GnR to reach this new level of artistic respect. An artistic respect that the OLD band never had, hence, why there are many people who don't think GnR deserves or should be on the list of performers with these other performers.

Holy shit, what kind of crack are you smoking?

Chinese Democracy had no hit singles and none of the casual ticket-buyers attending this festival will know any of the songs from it.

Clearly, better crack then you! LMAO

Lady GaGa and Justin Bieber are not at this festival. There aren't that many performers on the list that actually have top 20 hits, if that's what you're worry about.

The festival organizers clearly have listened to CD and have seen how great GnR shows are. You really think they invited GnR to come cover AFD and UYI songs for people who listen to Kings of Leon? LOL

AFD and UYI are like the anti-everything of what all these other performers are about. The people attending these kinds of festivals are not the same kind as GnR fans.

This is like if OLD GnR had headline Lollapalooza in the '90s.

Which makes it strange why GnR was chosen and why GnR even accepted. If GnR fans don't show up, GnR will be in hostile territory ... at the least, unknown territory.

But I'm guessing, this is something GnR wants ... to prove themselves to a different audience.

Well, duh ... Axl is the only guy they know from GnR! LOL

Again you cannot say if they know Slash or not. It is kind of stupid to generalize all those people and say none of them know Slash...Plus you said this :

They just remember the 1987 GnR and Slash whoring on stage for anybody willing to pay him post 1993.

So since they only know Axl they wouldn't know about Slash's "whoring on stage" - which in itself is faulty and shitty rhetoric

You really think these folks are following what is happening with GnR? LOL

Judging from their comments about Axl's antics they know a little bit about GNR - not hardcore amounts but more than you give them credit for...

You need to seriously go look over the list of bands playing at the Governor's Ball. They even have a jukebox with singles from each of the acts performing.

There's a reason why Slash's Snakepit was not invited to this festival. This is not a festival for that kind of generic music.

If GnR only had AFD+UYI materials or Axl was fronting Slash's band, there is no way they would have ever been invited to this festival ... let alone headline the LAST DAY of the festival.

Why GnR even accepted to perform at this festival, knowing they will be hostile territory if GnR fans are drowned out by fans of these other performers, is testament to the evolution of this band.

It's because of CD that GnR is able to fit in with the rest of these performers.

This is a BIG ACCOMPLISH for GnR to reach this new level of artistic respect. An artistic respect that the OLD band never had, hence, why there are many people who don't think GnR deserves or should be on the list of performers with these other performers.

If GnR can impress at this festival, it will be great big step moving forward and securing GnR's legacy as real musicians.

Thing is, though, they're playing MOSTLY pre-1994 songs.

Mostly? Sorry man. I'm pretty sure the setlist is pretty equal 1/3 for CD, UYI, and AFD.

Well, duh ... Axl is the only guy they know from GnR! LOL

Again you cannot say if they know Slash or not. It is kind of stupid to generalize all those people and say none of them know Slash...Plus you said this :

They just remember the 1987 GnR and Slash whoring on stage for anybody willing to pay him post 1993.

So since they only know Axl they wouldn't know about Slash's "whoring on stage" - which in itself is faulty and shitty rhetoric

You really think these folks are following what is happening with GnR? LOL

Judging from their comments about Axl's antics they know a little bit about GNR - not hardcore amounts but more than you give them credit for...

You need to seriously go look over the list of bands playing at the Governor's Ball. They even have a jukebox with singles from each of the acts performing.

There's a reason why Slash's Snakepit was not invited to this festival. This is not a festival for that kind of generic music.

If GnR only had AFD+UYI materials or Axl was fronting Slash's band, there is no way they would have ever been invited to this festival ... let alone headline the LAST DAY of the festival.

Why GnR even accepted to perform at this festival, knowing they will be in hostile territory if GnR fans are drowned out by fans of these other performers, is a testament to the evolution of this band.

It's because of CD that GnR is able to fit in with the rest of these performers.

This is a BIG ACCOMPLISH for GnR to reach this new level of artistic respect. An artistic respect that the OLD band never had, hence, why there are many people who don't think GnR deserves or should be on the list of performers with these other performers.

If GnR can impress at this festival, it will be a great big step moving forward and securing GnR's legacy as real musicians.

Sounds like you have already decided they're hatred of GnR is based on nuGnR only. I mean, if this was old GnR, they would be welcoming them with open arms, right? LOL

Nope, I never said that. But YOU decided that:

All they need to do is give GnR another chance, by listening to CD and attending a concert, and I'm sure they will not longer view GnR negatively.

Which you have NO knowledge of if they have or have not and therefore cannot assess if they will view them in a more positive light or not

Plus they specifically called out Axl, so I know that you hate Slash with all your guts but you can't say he is more of a reason why they hate GNR more than Axl himself

Well, duh ... Axl is the only guy they know from GnR! LOL

They hate the music and image associated with GnR. They believe that GnR's music and image will degrade the credibility of this music festival. That is why they don't want GnR at this festival.

This is exactly the same way that loyal fans of NEW ROCK/ALTERNATIVE ROCK radio stations feel if their station played music from bands like GnR.

And clearly, since [new] GnR is not in the media and pop culture anymore like they were between 1987-1993, where are their opinions of GnR coming from then?

You really think these folks are following what is happening with GnR? LOL

Unfortunately, this sort of image is now best suited for the rappers of today. Obviously, Charlie doesn't fit in with "rappers" and wants a rock band like old GnR back so he can re-live that lifestyle.

Says who? You? Are you a mind reader now or something? Maybe he just likes old GNR better musically? Nothing wrong with that

Assumptions don't do anything but further perpetuate biased specualtion.

Let's see, the public perception is:

Charlie Sheen = booze, drugs, pornstars, sex, tiger-blood ... in post-2010

OLD GnR = booze, drugs, pornstars, sex, tiger-blood ... in post-1987

Hmmm... no connection there I guess.

These folks don't know or understand how GnR has evolved into real musicians. They just remember the 1987 GnR and Slash whoring on stage for anybody willing to pay him post 1993.

Not according to this petition:

The petition proceeds to accuse Rose of being “one of the most frustratingly inconsistent performers of the modern era, is known best for his inconsiderate treatment of audience members and unprofessional behavior in general.”

Seems they remember Axl's the most, not Slash's

All they need to do is give GnR another chance, by listening to CD and attending a concert, and I'm sure they will not longer view GnR negatively.

Maybe they have, who knows? It is not your place to say if they have or haven't or that if they do their opinions will change

Sounds like you have already decided they're hatred of GnR is based on nuGnR only. I mean, if this was old GnR, they would be welcoming them with open arms, right? LOL

No. Their dislike of GnR obviously began with old-GnR.

This is exactly the same kind of negative attitude people who only listen to NEW ROCK/ALTERNATIVE ROCK radio stations have towards GnR. No different. They hate GnR because of the old music and image.

Charlie Sheen promoting your band ... is not something you want to be associated with ... if you care about being respected as real artists.

Charlie Sheen's push for an old GnR reunion ... is another great example of the image problem that OLD GnR had and how difficult it is for [new] GnR to shake that old image.

A guy like Charlie wants that sleazy 1987 era back ... that era of rockstars and pornstars with lots of drugs, alcohol, and sex.

Unfortunately, this sort of image is now best suited for the rappers of today. Obviously, Charlie doesn't fit in with "rappers" and wants a rock band like old GnR back so he can re-live that lifestyle.

Who is Andrew LeBrun?

Go find out for yourself, lazy

I have no idea who that person is or why they wouldn't want GN'R to play New York City. Does this person not remember the Hammerstein shows? Madison Square Garden 2002? This makes no sense. It makes total sense that GN'R would want to play America's biggest city, especially given that they're rumored to be undertaking a tour across the U.S. in Summer 2013.

No, this person is not a GnR fan and could care less about anything GnR has done in recent memory.

OLD GnR took a major hit to their brand post-1991 as the alternative music era began and took off.

Many people outside the GnR fanbase still view GnR as that same 1987 hair band that was the poster child for sleaze, drugs, alcohol, and sex.

These folks don't know or understand how GnR has evolved into real musicians. They just remember the 1987 GnR and Slash whoring on stage for anybody willing to pay him post 1993.

All they need to do is give GnR another chance, by listening to CD and attending a concert, and I'm sure they will not longer view GnR negatively.

...LeBrun notes that GN’R has a historically “unfavorable view” among fans ...

Oh, no way! I thought it was only nuGnR that had an "unfavorable view" among music fans ... I never thought that it was also HISTORICALLY true!

That can't be true! Because according to the rock historians on here ... OLD GnR was the coolest band in the entire world even after alternative rock, new rock, and hip-hop killed them.

These same historians say if OLD GnR got back together, the USA would love them again and they be #1 in USA again!

LMAO

Looks like another reality check for the those still stuck between 1987-1991.

I guarantee you these people lead by Mr LeBrun are prejudice against [new] GnR based on their views about [old] GnR. They've never listened to CD or attended a [new] GnR concert.

This is what [new] GnR has to contend with today - especially in the USA. The hatred of the OLD band by many music fans is still a major problem keeping them down.

OLD GnR may have sold a lot of records, but they quickly became the "Nickelback" of the alternative rock era.

Hopefuly, the [new] GnR doesn't chicken out and does the show, and proves to those music buffs that [new] GnR is indeed a band with innovative and creative musical chops deserving of being including in this festival with the other bands.