PatrickS77

No. It does not. It absolutely does not. Unless it's a show that lives from Pyro like Rammstein.

We try our hardest.

The muse kisses him and he has to fly to London and fly in an engineer from Germany, because there are none in London? Stop grasping at straws. It's clear as day

Schenker doesn't quite think like that. To him, he is the big coup.

I was wondering why Voss, why the urgency? It totally makes sense that he recorded for Schenker and the first Axl release in 15 years will be with someone else. Forget him recording in London for GNR.

When we have on one hand, what Steven Adler said and on the other hand what you said, then yes. What you say is irrelevant. Steven thinks like that. Anything else is irrelevant.

And here you go in circles again. They were disrespectful, they blew it, he's done with them. He said as much after that South America incident. No reason to not believe that. And nothing you say further or believe in that regard is relevant. And really, I don't care which song they release next, whatever happens happens.... or in this case, doesn't happen.

Because it's irrelevant to my original point (and the original point of this thread), all goes in fucking circles and has been discussed a thousand times already. And I'm tired of it.

Nah. I don't. I also don't care about any of the shit you all have to say. It's irrelevant to my original point, which is, just like Izzy, he's done with them and they blew it. Not even gonna read what else you all have to say.

Who fucking cares whether he's in the band? He's a founding member, as far as AFD is concerned and fans would love to see him. More than they would like to see Frank do the Appetite songs. Axl had Izzy guest on pretty much all of the 2006 european tour, when he needed some legitimation to his new line up, kinda like "See, Izzy approves and plays with me. I'm not the bad guy.". They could have easily done the same with Steven and have him play at key shows. And he would have done it. He did do it, until they reduced his playing from 2 to 1 song. As if it would break anyone in this band to let him do some Appetite songs. And it just isn't a workplace like any other. It's a workplace, but not like any other. No one needs to be insured, if he just is an additional drummer with guest spots. If he can't play, nothing is lost, because Frank is there.

What you believe or buy, really is irrelevant, but to fly him all the way to South America and them let him play 1 measly song and then let him sit on the sidelines, when he's more than capable of doing more and the fans clearly want to see him, is more than disrespectful. He gave an interview afterwards talking about it and it's clear, he's done with them. He never made another appearance with them again. If he still would be clinging over GNR, he never would have done that interview and taken every chance he could get to play with them again. And GTFOOH with insurance. That tour is making so much money, they easily could afford to have both Frank and Steven on (or at least have him for significant guest spots here and there).

Steven and Izzy can decide all they want. None of that is going to happen. Axl won't allow it. Axl is loyal to his people. Nah. He stopped caring about (being in) GNR, when they flew him down to South America and only let him play one song and were disrespectful to him.

Yeah. Both times I saw him in Budapest he absolutely was against photos. And we were less than 10 people both times.

He smiles before and after the picture. Just not in the picture. Yeah, I guess he has a problem with his smile.

A band doesn't get to push anything. They get booked to do a show. And no promoter is going to book them into an stadium, when there is a huge financial risk for them or they are not confident it's gonna work out. And I doubt that they get paid more for a stadium performance than an arena performance. They might take an additional cut from tickets sales, but the performance rate should be the same. But yeah, obviously a sold out stadium is not needed for it to be a financial success. If they sell 20,000 I guess they are good too.

They blew it with both. They were in contact with Steven, but after what happened in South America he pretty much told them to shove it. I don't think either of them wants to be in contact with GNR anymore.

Well, Fortus liked my comment, that maybe he will invite him to a Guns show to see him play. So somehow I hope that happens.

Yeah. That makes sense.

Nah. But you don't really want to compare Brian Johnson to Richard Fortus, do you?? The Brian Johnson who sings on the biggest selling AC/DC album. And yet, to some die hards even Brian Johnson is just the replacement.

Oh well, it's the truth, isn't it? Irrelevant in this argument, but still the truth. Replacement player in that band is what he will be known most for.

This is how to get an invitation to a Guns N' Roses show. Fortus already responded. Oh, well. A typed thing could also come from a PR guy.

Well, that outfit itself wasn't that bad. Just that he carried it on for too many years. Like he couldn't afford something different for each leg. Switching it up would be key.

Good. He went from "He's not number 1 anymore" to smiles to "He's an asshole". Back in the '00s the guy would have been an asshole right away. And fired.

Before the pain train? What did he say?

That poor guy. I saw him the first time in Oslo, when it was a festival and he set it up, right before GNR was supposed to play. While he was setting it up, I thought, what now? Will he just know it works or will he test it, with all the people there. Well, he told everyone cover their ears and did test it. 2 weeks later, I see them in Bern, it doesn't work and he goes pale and Gio comes over to console him. And then obviously the same shit again in Weert. Yeah, don't wanna be him. It used to work like a charm previously. In Budapest it wasn't even set up anymore.