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On 6/11/2022 at 2:42 PM, Jackamo! said:

Datura seeds cause hallucinations (lethal dose is close to hallucination dose). You see appearing disappearing and reappearing doppelgangers of family and friends along with you see the walls bleed and insects and broken glass and "nightmares" while smoking phantom cigarettes that disappear when they fall out of you rhand.

 

Give your heads a shake, mygnr! I'm goddamn Jackamo!

So it looks just like Slash's social media pages?

44 minutes ago, EvanG said:

If Slash stops dyeing his hair, will he look like Brian May?

If so, Original Catcher coming to a concert setlist near you...

On 5/31/2022 at 2:03 PM, sofine11 said:

I think Better or even IRS with Buckethead would have absolutely destroyed if they were released during the fall 2002 comeback, I’m sure of it. That moment was literally it, and hindsight has shown us that fucking that chapter up pretty much killed any hope a Slash-less GNR had of connecting with a mainstream audience.  
 

Even if they had managed to release the album in late 2006 while still on tour I don’t think it would have made much of a splash, though it still would have been preferable to the 2008 shitshow.

2002 was really it.

2002 was it, yes. The response to the Hammerstein shows was pretty big, though. Axl presenting that VMA Award and everything else going on showed they were being taken seriously again. Anything involving Axl at the VMAs between 2002 and that moment probably would've been some mocking attempt at comedy, piling on to all the mainstream backlash they received for their appearance and lack of Slash.

1 hour ago, oneway23 said:

I believe this to be accurate. 

I don't have screenshots for proof, so, take it or leave it, I guess, but, the mod on the Bucketheadland forum (who definitely had direct access to at least people around Bucket, if maybe not the man directly) made it clear that there were at least overtures made, possibly a direct contractual offer, in an effort to get him to return before the Hammerstein run.

Do you know what his response was? A flat "No"? "Probably not, but here's my list of demands"? Pink Floyd made offers to Roger Waters to return in the mid-90's after their split and his response was a laughing "No thanks".

4 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dj-ashba-says-buckethead-didnt-really-fit-guns-n-roses-he-took-the-coolness-out-of-the-band/

 

Bucket was whacky as hell, but you got used to him because he could play the material blindfolded! Dj on the other hand looked like a teen goth and struggled to accurately play a lot of the material. I'll take the chicken bucket any day. I do agree with DJ's 'GNR should be a dirty rock band' idea in general... but I think there's room for the more whacky stuff too, especially when you consider what Axl looked like during the Bucket years.

Bucket had a coop installed in the studio and played surrounded by actual chicken shit. It doesn't get much dirtier than that.

31 minutes ago, chester said:

Axl could have went out of his way to hire “name” guitar players at the time like Zakk Wylde, Dave Navarro, etc etc who would have lended commercial and song writing “credibility”  to “Nu” GnR… Instead he went with relative unknowns like Finck and cult artists like Buckethead… Who didn’t really add anything commercially and were unproven song writers of popular music… He went out on a limb to give a talent like Robin a chance, or Buckethead a larger platform for his playing…. Slash needed/wanted someone like Scott Wieland for his commercial and industry standing in addition to his song writing, vocal talents. 

I think he did go out of his way to do that and they turned him down. Wylde has done interviews about the process. 

52 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

All true. If he had released that album mixed and mastered in 2000 it probably would have been accepted. If he had followed up in 2006/08 with a record with Better etc. people would have said "it's not GNR" but the quality would be hard to fight with.

Personally, I'm happy the album didn't come out in 2000 because the final versions are far superior for my taste. The demo of Chinese is not as good as the finished version largely due to Axl adding all those Bumble guitars, which really kicked it into gear.

I think we're talking a completely different series of events if Chinese Democracy was released in 2000, or even 2002 after the VMAs and before the tour. Buckethead and Finck don't get sick of waiting to release material and leave, leading to more followup material faster, etc.

6 hours ago, Mikey Whipwreck said:

 

As it stands he wasted a lot of time, money and talent (his own and others) and now he's creatively burned out. Is what it is.

It could be creative burnout, or it could be a lack of antagonists in his life in the past 13 years since he finished the writing for Chinese Democracy songs. That's always been his main motivation. I can't come up with much, his life seems pretty comfortable. Diss tracks about Irving Azoff and the Eagles of Death Metal? Maybe throw in something about Madison who he chased off of this board...Bon Jovi for continuing to talk shit about him...end it with a ballad in tribute to Dexter and you might have an EP...

On 11/25/2021 at 5:26 AM, Nice Boy said:

I really don't understand why he didn't put Hard Skool on CD. I think it alone would have changed the perception of the album. The inclusion of a more classic style rock track would have assured sceptics that it had an aspect of GnR that people expected, and meant less of the "load of tortured ballads with a couple of weird industrial tracks" criticism. 

I'm pretty sure "Scraped" was the biggest attempt at that on the album and most people hate it.

10 hours ago, oneway23 said:

- Better, Scraped & Shacklers , Going Down, & The General were likely recorded between 2004 & 2006, right?

- Soul Monster was, what, New Years Eve '06, or 2007?

- Vocals for Bach's record were done in 2006.

Either way, we're looking at these examples being over fifteen years ago. 

 

What other examples could we have for studio work beyond then?

- This I Love re-mix and Blood in the Water have DIFFERENT vocals, though, not necessarily newer.  Could have simply been different takes?

- The Looney Tunes track is much more recent, clearly.  This is the sole evidence we currently have that he's been in the studio at any point in the past decade.  Is that correct?

Shackler's has to be '07 or '08 because it was inspired by the Virginia Tech shooting which happened in the spring of 2007. Unless Axl has a time machine, got inspired by the events in spring 2007, went back to an Alternate 1999, laid down the vocals, then returned to Actual 2008 to talk about this in the forum chats.

54 minutes ago, GNFNRUK said:

Hate to be Mr Negative but there’s no album coming any time soon. I called it when ‘Absurd’ was first released. Just a couple of stand alone singles to promote the ongoing tour and to throw the fans a bone. Old songs from the locker that required NO work from Axl and minimal work from Slash & Duff.

We have ZERO evidence of Axl entering a studio in the last 20 years (other than Rock The Rock) and I really think if they had NEW songs they’d have released one of those instead of these 2.

If this is shipping in June 2022 do people honestly believe a full album will come out before then??

I’m just being realistic because I’ve been a fan of this band since AFD and I know how it works, Axl unfortunately is a lazy genius when it comes to recording and putting shit out.

(Only because I like to nitpick) Axl said he rekindled his friendship with Sebastian Bach around 2006 and did guest vocals on Angel Down which was released in 2007. I doubt he had those recordings sitting around waiting to paste onto somebody's solo album for years.

"Better" had tons of hype, but it was played relatively quickly after the leaks. People would've gone insane for it if they pretended it didn't exist at the Hammerstein shows.

2 hours ago, allwaystired said:

It's so weird what people get 'cancelled' for. Seems no rhyme or reason to it. 

For example - Queens Of The Stone Age's Josh Homme's kids file for a restraining order claiming all sorts of abuse, he's previously been accused of headbutting his ex-wife, etc etc. Seems to just go unnoticed. Roman Polanski seems to have a pass out despite being a convicted paedophile on the run from the law! 

Others make one ill judged joke or have a view that isn't liked, and they're done. All very odd. 

 

 

Homme does seem to have a pattern of this type of behavior but that restraining order was just filed two days ago and got treated like appropriately big news from my vantage point. 

6 hours ago, Ak1nney said:

These movies themed posters have been cool. I'm just dreading the Indiana one... Hoosiers theme? 😄 

If Axl designs it it might feature that old lady from the ice cream stand that was in that TV segment about his sudden rise to fame.

13 minutes ago, nambis said:

Can this be found anywhere besides iTunes and Spotify? 

I have Amazon Unlimited and it's on there, not sure about regular Amazon Music.

On 1/15/2021 at 11:02 PM, jafeijo said:

Do you guys think it might be a bit frustrating for a guitar hero like Slash, having to learn a song from other era to play in his own band? And even so, a 4 chord song? I mean, I really like the song, it's a good rocker and stuff, but it can be a tricky situation. The band is reunited and the first song that comes to mind in terms of releasing something is an old Chinese leak. Axl wants to revisit the chinese era rather than do something fresh. Never thought about it that way, since I was really pumped when the rehearsal video came up.

I wonder what that was about...

I think the fact that he's willing to work with and play the Chinese Democracy songs in concert proves he's cool with it. They could easily play nothing but the songs he originally played on, plus covers, and not lose any revenue from fans clamoring for it (Even the ones on this board are sick of the same setlist).

I imagine some carryover between both. "Don't answer calls from Baz" being one.

4 minutes ago, DTJ80 said:

I wonder what was on Duffs whiteboard he didn’t want anyone to see.....🤔

"Where's Izzy?" written a thousand times.

12 hours ago, DurhamGirl said:

Gosh you are all clinging to small bits and pieces of nothing at all concrete.  There is not going to ba an album of new musicreadon this forum to 2014 and you will find the same conversations an, guesses and nothing appeared.  I wish they would just come out and say there is no album but I suppose this could lose them some fans.

I've been around a lot longer than that and you're probably right, but to be fair, the situation now is a lot different than 2014. There's a hell of a lot more money in an album with Slash and Duff than a followup to Chinese Democracy by the (mostly) same band.

1 hour ago, Tom2112 said:

Slash didn't name Ashba specifically but he did say "Other guitar players from the previous line up were considered", suggesting Richard was the first one in and he just fit right away so they didn't go any further with it.

I don't know how flexible Slash was willing to be for the NITL situation, but yeah! I doubt he'd have loved the idea of a 3rd guitar player... especially not a 3rd guitar player like Bumble who was technically lightyears ahead of him... Maybe it would have lit a torch under his ass? Maybe he would have said, "That guy has gotta go", who knows! But I never expected Richard to be given as much lead in the NITL set, so I guess there was some flexibility! 

 

I think Richard fits better than the others because he has no persona, he's just Richard Fortus, not "Buckethead" or "Bumblefoot" or "Freakshow Marilyn Manson reject", as people considered Finck. Ashba clearly had a gimmick too.

Something motivated Finck in '06. No idea what it could've been. Wanting to prove they didn't need Buckethead? Wanting to be seen as more than "that skulleted freak", as he was called in reviews from 2002? Could be either, neither, or both. But he looked and played like a real rock star by all accounts, and I saw and heard it myself at the Sunday Hammerstein show.

23 minutes ago, axlvai said:

Sell it for 20 and buy 0.00000001 bitcoin. Tell me in 30 years from now.

We'll still be waiting for the followup.

1 hour ago, Coma16 said:

I believe that Axl can record with any voice he chooses while in studio. The tricky part is being able to replicate during live shows. Except for ACDC for some reason...

The reason is that he wasn't in charge and free to sing however he wanted like with Guns N' Roses. Angus had him on a tight leash from beginning to end.