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Because that's what pedos do? Anyway, on second thoughts I am not comfortable with this, either. In these enlightened times of gender equality I think Axl should have made a progressive statement by insisting that Beta carries all the heavy packages while he walked with umbrella, optionally providing some cover for her.

Relax, people. Both his hands are full carrying stuff. If someone I cared for couldn't hold an umbrella themselves in the rain, I would happily do it for them, too. I highly doubt Beta would be doing that if his hands were available to hold his own umbrella.

Fans are the worst.

What I meant was, the Iranian attack didn't come without provocation. Not that it excuses the Iranian drone/missile attack, at all, but what we are witnessing are two parties both being responsible for gradually escalating a conflict into open warfare. And now Israel is contemplating how to respond, likely in excess and the spiral continues. In short, the leaders of both these countries are making grave errors by escalating. Primitive cavemen.

What about Israel and their attack on the Iranian consulate in Syria which caused Iran to react?

Oh? What did I fail to understand?

It is, if that's what he wants to do Again. what is logical in this context is entirely dependent upon what goal you have in mind. If Axl now decided that the songs would be best if they contained the original musicians, then it would only be logical for him to release them that way. Obviously, for the four songs now released, he decided that Slash should be on them, so what he did was logical (regardless of what people might feel about that decision). But if he now decides that, "Fuck it, I'm gonna release the next singel with Paul Huge playing a solo on kazoo even if it means fans will be angry, I will be ridiculed, and it won't sell at all - but that is what I really, really want because that's how that song is supposed to be heard," then it is completely logical to do it. It won't be the best decision from a fiscal perspective, it won't be the best decision if he wants to make the fanbase happy, it won't be the best decision for his legacy, surely, but if when weighing the pros and cons he still decides that that is what he wants to do, then that action is logical per definition.

I am not talking about any of this at all. You have lost the plot. I am talking about the argument that only one way of going about this is logical, as if it doesn't depend on what the desired outcome is.

Again, what is logical depends on what you want to achieve. You follow this far? If you want to maximize sales, then releasing the music with Slash is logical. Did you get that? All okay to this point? But if you want to keep the music as close to how it was written, then what is logical is to not replace musicians with Slash. So what is logical here really depends on what you want to achieve. Did your brain explode now? Or did you not understand it? What is logical can only be understood in the context of what the end goal is. So when people like @jamillos argue that the only logical thing to do is release music with Slash, that suggests he either doesn't understand this or that he used rhetoric to kind of devalue those who have a different goal than him. Get it?

I will always consider writing new music and lyrics more creative than just releasing a covers album, but hey, you do you.

I haven't twisted anything around. I have been responding EXACTLY to what you wrote, which was that it is "basic logic" to add Slash and that it "makes no sense" to not include him.

What we are talking about here, @Free Bird, is me reacting to @jamillos saying the only logical thing is to include Slash on new music. My argument is that this "logic" is entirely based on what Axl (read "the band", if so you prefer) wants; if Axl wants to maximize sales, then yes it becomes logical to add Slash to the songs; if Axl wants to please the majority of the fan base, then yes it becomes logical to add Slash to the songs; but if Axl wants to have Bucket on these songs, then it is no longer logical to add Slash to them. You see? The "logic" here is based on what the objective is. Whatever leads to the objective is what is logical. It varied depending on objective. But @jamillosdidn't add this qualifier, he presented it as if there was only one logical thing to do, as if it was a case of 2+4=4, and hence, implicitly, anyone who felt otherwise would be illogical. And no, @jamillos, you didn't qualify your original statement to be only about what would be logical to do for the majority of fans, because this is what you wrote: As you see, you said it was "basic logic" to add Slash and that it "makes no sense" to not add Slash. As if it is a universal truth. A fact. Something that goes beyond motives and goals and desires and preferences. But again, that comes from the perspective of someone who wants it that way; to everyone who doesn't want it that way it ceases to be "logical". Lovely. Please point out to me precisely where I used a logical fallacy. Oooh, I can't wait

I have to disagree with the idea that there is some egalitarian situation between the trio, but for the sake of the argument just replace "Axl" with "the partnership" then. My argument isn't affected by this, it still comes down to what they, together, agree on, which is dictated by their preferences. Their decision to add Slash to the songs wasn't determined by some outside logic that could have squashed their own preferences, it was 100% aligned with what they, as a trio, wanted to do.

No, it is only logical IF Axl wants new music to feature Slash. There is no objective logic here. It all comes down to what the Axl wants. If he wanted the songs to feature Buckethead then it would be logical for him to release them with Buckethead. If he wanted to maximize sales revenues, then it is logical to replace Bucket with Slash. If he wanted to keep the songs with the original musicians, then it is logical to not redo them. If he wanted to please the majority of the fanbase, then it is logical to add Slash to the songs. See, the "logic" here is tied to preferences. This is not mathematics where the truth is objective. It all comes down to what Axl wants.

Your argument is that it is some logical that transcends personal preferences and dictates that Slash should be added to these songs. My argument is that you are blatantly wrong.

Yes, so to these people it is perfectly logical to want Slash on the songs. But to other people it is perfectly logical to not want Slash on the songs. There is no objective logic here no matter how hard you try to make it seem like it. It ALL comes down to preferences.

Yeah, maybe he even at one point wanted these songs to be with Slash on lead. Canter said Axl had a few songs where he would have liked Slash to add leads. Maybe it is these four we now have. My problem with Slash adding leads is mostly to do with how "soulless" the songs become after each iteration of redoing them. I am a strong proponent of more organic music making, when the band hash our their parts together, so that each part communicates with the others' parts, so it becomes actual interplay. That was great on Appetite but to some extent lost on UYIs. And this was lost a long time ago with the CD era music, and I think it gets worse each time it happens again with these songs, and so for the most part, the songs we have got sounds "disjointed" to me. Like Slash is just haphazardly slapped onto them. Then of course, comes the fact that Slash isn't all that anymore. There is no guarantee that I would prefer his leads over Robin's, or Bucket's. I don't know. I hope we get to hear these songs in other versions, too, at some point. That Axl decides to release it all in some box set. That's my pipe dream. But all this is just me complaining yet again, like I always do, all in all I am happy we just get to hear the songs.

Yes, as I said, one of the reasons Axl decided to let Slash add parts could be that he wanted to make it sound more "GN'R." But it is only BASIC LOGIC if Axl wanted to make it sound more classical GN'R. My point is, the "logic" that jamillos talks about and want to make into a universal thing so that he can argue that some people are being illogical, isn't objective it follows from preferences.

But if you prefer Bucket then it is BASIC LOGIC to want him on the songs. What you are trying to do, is to devalue the opinions of people who prefers Bucket by trying to make an argument that that somehow isn't logical. It is ONLY logical for Axl to replace old guitarists with Slash, if that is what he wants. Obviously, base don what has happened, Axl wanted thsi to happen for the songs released. So that is a moot point.

I don't know what "we" are talking about. I just was responding to what jamillos wrote. Maybe I lost some context. What Axl wants is already clear from the singles we have received: New songs released when Slash is touring with the band will feature Slash on lead. Maybe Axl thinks they sound better that way or are more "GN'R", maybe he sticks to his principle that members of the touring lineup should be featured on releases, or maybe he wants to oblige fans who crave Slash. Regardless, the outcome is still that when it came to releasing new music, they went back and picked some of the unreleased songs from the CD era and had Slash add his leads onto them. What will happen when they have run through these songs is anyone's guess. Maybe Axl will ask Slash to continue adding leads to old songs or maybe Axl will release them with Bucket/Paul/Robin/Bumble, or maybe Axl will take them to the grave with him.

What makes sense can differ depending on perspective. For Slash fans or fans of GN'R adhering to a certain sound, then it makes perfect sense to have Slash play the leads. For fans who simply prefer Buckethead or Robin Finck and want the GN'R music to sound as good as possible to them, it makes perfect sense to not want Slash added to these songs. It is all about perspective, there is no objective truth here.

So sad for Liverpool, so, so , so sad. First we knocked them out of the FA cup, then we pushed them off the the top of the table, and not a mid-tier Italian team is about to end their European dreams. So, so sad for Klopp.

This reminds me of how great the original is. Slash's version is very true to the original up until the last minute where he freestyles more with the outro solo - which is nothing special.

Anyone know when this photo was taken? I need to put it at the right place inn the history, together with this quote from the band's chiropractor, Stephen Thaxton: "Truly mind boggling to me [that they didn't injure themselves]. [Axl and Slash] came off of those ramps, and you know, in the show, in the heat of the moment, just, I guess all the adrenaline must've really been beneficial to them because to this day, I still think about on a regular basis coming off of those ramps, jumping, it was pretty impressive athletic athleticism on both of their parts. It really was."

Bless your cotton socks.