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11 hours ago, WhazUp said:

Has this been confirmed or is it just a guess?

I have yet to hear about rehab, and I specifically remember a friend caught Aerosmith right before the tour dates went in limbo and the vocal chord news, and he said Steven's vocals were absolutely fried - and that was even before all the news.  As of right now, unless anyone has actual legit sources, I don't think it is unreasonable to think that he was having vocal issues because his vocal chords were having issues

Aerosmith has been using an off stage singer to hit the high notes for Steven for years now. I don't know why Melissa hasn't been used much more significantly on vocals in a similar manner the past 7 years.

I really doubt State of Grace will be released in any fashion. The structural similarities with The General/Monsters almost seem like SOG was (significantly) reworked.

1 minute ago, felixGNR said:

battleground, the unholy, great pretender spirit love,actions speak louder than words ?

I don't think those sound like what we hear on these tracks. It definitely doesn't not sound like what Slash has done with literally any of the CD era stuff, live or studio. 

16 minutes ago, GoForJMark said:

That's definitely Slash on both songs.

I disagree. It doesn't sound like anything Slash has produced since VR. It certainly doesn't sound anything like what Slash has done with any CD-era material live or studio released. The bass also doesn't sound like Duff note selection and fill wise. This leads me to believe these tracks that were leaked are pre-reunion demos as something of a spite or fuck you to the actual release getting delayed. 

I guess I'll be proven wrong or right when the actual record drops, but the guitar and bass work plus the very amateur mixing makes me think what got leaked are actually pre-Bumble demos that have probably been circulating with the hoarders for years.

23 minutes ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

Ah, I see. My thinking is that they just didn't give Beltrami a version with vocals. Possibly to keep everything on a need-to-know basis and avoid leaks.

Maybe it had vocals or maybe it didn't, but Marco Beltrami worked on a ton of shit in that period and need-to-know basis and avoiding leaks was probably not a priority in that period years before any CD stuff leaked.

53 minutes ago, dave94 said:

Probably always was a doomed project to be honest, Guns n Roses were known as true rock n rollers and “NuGuns” were not that at all. An early 2000’s release and then a proper follow up would have at least earned more respect for Axls vision, which is probably more interesting than trying to imitate Appetite a dozen times but I bet if Axl could turn back time he’d have done something different in those 20 years 

I tend to agree. When you look at the big radio hits in the 2001-2004ish, particularly in the rock genre of things, a lot of the tracks on CD proper and the Village discs would have done very well on the radio and sold albums.

Prostitute, The Blues, TWAT, Catcher, Perhaps, Atlas, Better, Hard School all could have been pretty big radio hits in that period when radio still mattered. 

4 minutes ago, Dani_1455 said:

That's difficult because we know Oklahoma lyrics talk about the bombing and probably Seven lyrics don't talk about something similar

It's not about the bombing, the only thing Axl has said about it was it was inspired by how silly he felt sitting in court over legal stuff was when something so much bigger was going on.

My first reaction to The General was "uh I can see why it was delayed", and my first reaction to Monsters was "this is rad". 

The General grew on me after a few spins, but I can see why the label would have been not super keen to put these songs out under the GNR label while trying to recoup the cost of CD. Monsters is like a track from The Fragile with almost Bowie-style chorus. 

Delaying it on release day with no warning is honestly pretty hilarious for the troll factor. If there was a pressing issue, they'd certainly have known before release day. If it was some kind of rights issue with Belltrami's work, I'm sure that would have come up long ago. 

Best case scenario was there was more demand than they expected and had to delay to get more pressings. You'd think they'd communicate that if it were the case, so I can only be left with lmao trolling.

Whether it gets a digital release or not, as soon as people get the vinyl, it will get put online. Anyone that posts here will be hear this song in the next week or so. 

Anything can happen, which also means nothing can happen 

18 hours ago, Blackstar said:

It sounded nothing like Evader's version to me (but of course it could be parts of The General anyway).

There was a specific part that was played in the soundcheck that was dead on for a part that Evader had pieced together for his mix based on the cell phone party clip. Of course, I can't find either the soundcheck or Evader's anymore, but the soundcheck was posted here as people thinking it was some kind of jam. I think it was actually before Perhaps was even soundchecked.  it was the lead over the power chords that kick in immediately after the orchestral part in Evader's mix.

Actually there was a soundcheck video that sounded very much like parts of Evader's version of The General earlier in the year, and another that sounded like the outro of Oklahoma.

29 minutes ago, chester said:

Guns would not have done well in the mid 90’s if they had produced stuff like that first Snakepit album. Would have been disastrous for the band. 

They would have done fine. Not as big as UYI, but a lot of rock bands put out very successful albums in the mid to late 90s after the grunge bubble popped and "rock was dead". The Stones had 2 platinum albums in 1994 and 1997, Aerosmith had a 7x platinum album in 1993 and 2x platinum album in 1997. Metallica had Load go 5x platinum, Reload went 3x. Fucking Bon Jovi had a mid 90s album sell 1M.

TSI itself was a platinum record and out sold CD in most major markets worldwide. 

I was at that show and they did Shackler's into Estranged lmao

Bach also called Sorry "doom metal" so I don't think he should be used as an accurate representation of any unreleased track.

The General orchestral part was played before the start of pretty much every show in 2006-2010, then into the Dexter theme. You can hear it on a ton of boots. The San Jaun is probably the highest quality.

A concert video with that kind of footage would be rad as hell

Hard to argue that TB are bad managers when they've been the management team for a 7 year world tour, being in the top couple of most successful tours of each year (and therefore of all time). There have been no problems, everyone gets to do their side gigs, they're making much more than they did on the UYI tour. There have been a ton of pro shot audio or video, the AFD box set and UYI remasters, vault releases, couple of singles. 

All much more than the prior 8 years since the release of CD. Of course it would be preferable to have a whole album and more vault stuff, and TB's relationship with the fanbase is questionable, but their job isn't to manage the fans. 

Personally, I think it's nice that the 3 songs have had a bit from the previous era players on them.

Absurd (killswitch stuff, Buckethead)
Perhaps (start of solo, Robin)

Hard Skool (school bell, Pitman )

Of course there was an updated demo of Shackler's. It's a different key, tempo, and rhythm to the riff in Shankler's. You can't sample and chop up Shankler's to get Shackler's. 

My conspiracy theory is that the first half of Bucket's TWAT solo was actually pieced together from the period where Robin was out and Axl had Bucket replace all of Robin's leads.

The real way to do the AI Axl is to actually sing yourself, so you can add in Axl's cadences and appropriate registers and quirks. Otherwise you're at the mercy of singer of whatever track, which can be hit and very, very miss. Basically, you need to use it on a song where the singer you are using a model of already sounds similar in register/key to begin with.

Does anyone know when Rock The Rock was recorded? I can't imagine it was before the reunion tour started, but the lead time for an animated show is SO long.

That's weird he feels that way about Better's solo, as it is one of the more melodic and Slash like solos on the album to begin with.