Steamboat

he is past that stage in his life now, unfortunately

if anything does come out, reunion or not, i think it will be classic rock sounding and probably garbage

CD was really great though, kind of a product of those creative years of his life

i love robin finck wish he was back in

best guitarist to be in gnr

They might have had ulrich in at some point, to produce and he said oh this might go well here, no one really knows except it is definitely a sample.

Check this one out, this is the outro to Prostitute, it was sampled from this track, obviously moby was producing at one point so thats how this came about..

best gnr song

oh god i lold hilarious remix but yeah the other one aint brains dont ug uys get it already

they're transitioning from being a real band to a touring nostalgia fest and thats it now.. the press will review it as such, the fans will get pissed because it is as such

so no new songs then i think thats it for gnr no reason to follow them at all what a waste

its not real though anyone could do that... i could cook up a better more official sounding remix by tomorrow night if you paid me 10 dollars that is

the multitracks are everywhere anyone could have made this

checkmate please

i think it is a shame axl hide away for so long..but he had his own problems he felt he is better dealing with in private and i dont blame him

agree

I agree with the name having wieght.I believe that everymember of the band would have had much more successfull solo careers exspecially Axl and Slash if the original name was left behind.Even if it was just altered a bit like nuguns or such.This would have eliminated so many problems. Everyone complains about the lack of activity after the split but could you imagine the mess if Axl started releasing music solo as gnr right away,CAREER SUICIDE,people can barey accept it now but they would have accepted it if the name was different. It would have let everyone continue on in thier own direction without anamosity after all music is what it should all be about not a name.

you're right actually

i think axl didnt want to see the band and name go to shit, but after everyone left, he was stubborn enough to keep going with it rather than just break off.. i mean i bet he would have felt much better doing that

Man. the purpose of this thread wasn't to hate on slash, here's what i simply think concerning him

- he has made some really great music and created a great image and has a somewhat distinct style

- without him there would be no GNR, and his work on the gnr catalog is probably the best parts of it, and what made it so classic

see, i mean no hate, but when you get to musical terms

- his music, it's all the same hard rock blues tinged thing every time minus the odd couple songs, and its been like that for decades, he hasn't evolved which IS necessary. absolutely necessary, you can't just say, fuck it i have my sound now, i;ll put out similar sounding records til i'm dead. you have to be creative and do new things, which he hasn't done

- that attitude to his music is (along with the other guys) conflicted the axl, adding to the pile of shit that prevent guns and axl progressing

there you go, i'm not a hater or anything, those are pretty much facts

then of course slash left, obviously because he's afraid of evolution, and still plays typical rock music to this day, which might be nice to others but its kind of boring, he did the same throughout VR and snakepit too

I love how it is always Slash Slash Slash that get's all the beatings from Axlites.. I do believe Duff, Izzy and Steven all play "typical rock to this day" also... Axl may have always been wanting to chase the latest trends but maybe he should have stuck to typical rock too. He was good at that..

yep duff izzy and steven are at fault but its BLATANTLY obvious to see that slash was the biggest piece of the puzzle. and he (axl) and no one should stick to thhe sound they started with, there was at least some progression from AFD to UYi blah blah

We know he was extremely talented in terms of songwriting, singing, piano playing and theres been talk recently (on the board recently) abbout him playing guitar and lead guitar and pissing slash off with it (we know slash likes to adhere to typical rock band tradition and stuff so it wouldnt surprise me) and we all know the crazy stuff he has had behind covers back in the late nineties from working with zakk wylde to indsutrial style music like OMG and using pro tools and all that crazy stuff

then of course slash left, obviously because he's afraid of evolution, and still plays typical rock music to this day, which might be nice to others but its kind of boring, he did the same throughout VR and snakepit too

whereas axl sounded fucking promising, know whati mean? like this guy could have been one of those evolving and awesome artists.. he could have made GNR like nine inch nails or radiohead and stuff i have no doubt that was his intention, i read somewhere he wanted to evolve to a pearl jam sound on the 3rd gnr album or something

he could have been on stage with a crazy keyboard setup and playing guitar with a pedal board doing all kinds of sick shit and putting out albums like Kid A but it seems this was sabotaged by a multitude of things

and it really PAINS me to think of all that went to waste

from what.. 1994 to 2008 til some of this material saw official release, and it was pretty damn good some of it standing out in the midst of gnrs catalogue and lots of interesting fresh sounds mixed in with the hard rock gnr foundation

well theres my little rant. i'm sure some of it is axls fault, and maybe he didnt have the guts, lets say, that radiohead did putting out kid A or something

what do you think? Axl could have been an absolute stand out musician from all of time.. he had broad interests and i bet he had 2000 intentions in terms of project ideas and new music n stuff

just picture a UYI era axl on stage with a NIN type setup and like.. zakk wylde on guitar

FuCK

i wish someone could put together acollection of interview quotes and anecdotes and such as well as pictures and make a true account of what may have been happening 1994 thru house of blues

Wow, check out this incoherent pile of bullshit.

kill yourself.

To the OP...I can understand your point of view, but your so biased towards Axl and everything you say about Slash is negative, like he "obviously was afraid to evolve, and plays boring rock, still to this day". I'm so tired of people on this board bashing Slash 24/7, it's ridiculous. I'm into the new band, and am as big an Axl fan as anyone, but I like Slash just as much, and he's anything but a "typical" guitarist. I don't know how you can blame the dissolve of GNR on Slash. You got so excited about that quote, which was actually Gilby and not even Slash, but you come on here and post it saying THIS IS IT!! Like that's the missing piece of information on GNR breaking up. It's not just SLASH who didn't want to change the direction of the band...in fact Axl was the only one who did...so if you're gonna blame Slash, you have to blame Duff, Izzy, Matt, Gilby...etc. too.

i'm not fully blaming him and the quote where i said THIS IS IT is just because it explains exactly what i was trying to say

i'm not hating on slash, he can do what he wants

and he definitely is a pretty typical guitarist, he isn't very creative or never strays too far from his boundaries

i'm just saying on a sidenote to the immense interest i have in what axl could have done and took guns on to do and kind of did a little bit but too little too late, was that it was that very desire axl had that conflicted with everyone else and on top of lawsuits and the whole business.. it really explains to me the breakup of GNR rather than the greediness of axl that the media has fed to people and myself

even the lawsuit i can understand now, axl has never been a bad guy, and after slash left was obviously distraught, it was obviously not what he was going for

anyway i don't need to carry on explaining myself i apologise for sounding biased against slash, i have nothing against him i'm just not a fan of his music (past the point were it becomes monotonous and generic after a few albums worth, and his attitued concerning music, that he stays the same) but the man has created some damn great music and i have rspect for him

It'll be cool if they release an album. I've been around too long at this point to get excited for new music until there is something official though.

since those productive interesting years of axls life are away, i feel like he isnt interested so much in making great music anymore and its really kind of too late.. i feel hed be willing to put a standard hard rock album out or even a reunion more than what i personally would hope for

but i do agree with you

and he did it with CHinese to some extent actually

Of Axl's guitar setup, [Dave] Abbruzzese recalls, "You could hunt buffalo with his rig. It had a lot of lights, a lot of blinking lights, a lot of things that you stepped on. It sounded like a freight train that was somehow playable."

amazing

thought it was a slash quote but either way

but i;m a few pages on and way to interested to find it again lol uhm shit man i want to meet axl go back and get all these recordings it sounds like they recorded so much and stuff and all for waste.. there could seriously be a massive boxset thing that about 20 of us would buy containing shit ranging from the studio axl drove to in his pick up w/ camper shell and worked with samples with dizzy to the stuff duff and slash recorded as demos

GOT DAYUM I WANT THIS STUFF SO BAD

it goddamn pains me to hear about it all wasted

i wish someone could put together acollection of interview quotes and anecdotes and such as well as pictures and make a true account of what may have been happening 1994 thru house of blues

http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=5059

wow reading this it definitely sounds like slash wanted the typical gnr style record and axl wanted to do something new and no compromise was made so they split

got dang this is interesting reading thanks for this bro

also not in reply to your post, i think a lot of people are stuck in the past/have slashes point of view, and dont really listen to music anymore except for the old ones they love i.e. gnr

"My last conversation with [Axl] was when he called me and was trying to explain what he wanted to do. And, basically, it was: I want to change the sound of the band. You know, I want to go more into a current direction. You know, I want to use, you know, more industrial type things. You know, he was really into bands like Jane's Addiction, Pearl Jam and Nine Inch Nails. And I just kinda laughed and said: You know, look - I want to play guitar in a loud version of The Rolling Stones, you know?"

DAYYYMN THIS IS IT

Shoulda, woulda, coulda. He chose to not do anything musically for about 7 years.

If he had Zakk Wylde playing guitar, I really doubt he would've sounded anything like Radiohead. I also doubt Chinese Democracy would have sounded anything like it did.

nah man you're missing the point

i just mean, more collaboration, more freedom, more creativity, more evolution

from what i read and such i feel slash kind of restricted the band i wanted to keep it standard hard rock style, whereas at the point where axl wanted to evolve and due to his stubborn nature or whatever, refusing the hard rock path, he just left, and when axl was like oh shit and called back to say he liked the demos slash made, slash already used them for snakepit lol

althoug in that interview on the radio he did in like 1999 he said something about wanting to make a classic rock album firstly but slash stopped him. that conflicts with other stuff i read but their may be a different reason he said it

as for radiohead thing, i just mean they evolve and challenge themselves every new album... from ok computer to kid a and amnesiac to hail to thetheif then inrainbows and you get the picture

and NIN has a open minded and somewhat varied production style.. like trent ventured into electro poppy sounding tracks with hand that feeds and the latest album the slip

the musicians i cited mean nothing of the sound i think guns would have created, but examples of people who did evolve and zakk was an example of a cool collaboration

robin finck is definitely better

but he's good. and done a lot of fan interaction not only at shows but online he has a strong presence which is nice, i feel the music he would make with gnr would be a little to generic for my expectations but whatever you know

We know he was extremely talented in terms of songwriting, singing, piano playing and theres been talk recently (on the board recently) abbout him playing guitar and lead guitar and pissing slash off with it (we know slash likes to adhere to typical rock band tradition and stuff so it wouldnt surprise me) and we all know the crazy stuff he has had behind covers back in the late nineties from working with zakk wylde to indsutrial style music like OMG and using pro tools and all that crazy stuff

then of course slash left, obviously because he's afraid of evolution, and still plays typical rock music to this day, which might be nice to others but its kind of boring, he did the same throughout VR and snakepit too

whereas axl sounded fucking promising, know whati mean? like this guy could have been one of those evolving and awesome artists.. he could have made GNR like nine inch nails or radiohead and stuff i have no doubt that was his intention, i read somewhere he wanted to evolve to a pearl jam sound on the 3rd gnr album or something

he could have been on stage with a crazy keyboard setup and playing guitar with a pedal board doing all kinds of sick shit and putting out albums like Kid A but it seems this was sabotaged by a multitude of things

and it really PAINS me to think of all that went to waste

from what.. 1994 to 2008 til some of this material saw official release, and it was pretty damn good some of it standing out in the midst of gnrs catalogue and lots of interesting fresh sounds mixed in with the hard rock gnr foundation

well theres my little rant. i'm sure some of it is axls fault, and maybe he didnt have the guts, lets say, that radiohead did putting out kid A or something

what do you think? Axl could have been an absolute stand out musician from all of time.. he had broad interests and i bet he had 2000 intentions in terms of project ideas and new music n stuff

just picture a UYI era axl on stage with a NIN type setup and like.. zakk wylde on guitar

FuCK

i wish someone could put together acollection of interview quotes and anecdotes and such as well as pictures and make a true account of what may have been happening 1994 thru house of blues

Me, too. Sounds interesting.

Wow, didn't know CITR was scheduled as the lead single.

That was really just rumor at the time. There was also a supposed image from the "video shoot" which was to be baseball themed, and the image showed a supposed Axl dancing with all of these Chinese girls with '02-era Robin haircuts. I'm thinking some of them may have had KFC buckets on their head, maybe I'm making that part up. Can't remember...

do want

remember they have to shoot video for the big screens on stage for people far back so of course that part is crucial

would be cool if the whole crowd did it

actually it would be like a creepy sci fi film

axl had a huge chance to prove himself and show everyone this band was still worth something

he could have played new songs, switched up the setlist, done more tracks from CD or at least practiced and sang well

in front of the largest audience the band will probably ever play to from now until its demise

what did they/he do , played a sub standard setlist despite the occasion, utterly disappointing his voice is far worse than it was a year ago and he couldnt even be bothered to change up his wardrobe

this band is a fucking joke now, they will probably never release another album, they have wasted so much talent and skill and time and could have made some truly amazing music but they just stagnated and that really shows that even axl isn't taking it seriously

all they are going to do is perform the same drawn out setlist for a few years and unless there's a reunion, slowly flicker out and axl will go into hiding until he dies

The disappointment was and should be eye-opening. i genuinely feel there's nothing left now.

and no its not a case of 'oh the singer had one bad day' its a case of realizing (thanks to the disappointment) that the setlist has been the same for A DECADE. A god damn decade. Axl does not care about the fans and so they shouldnt care about him, his mystique is gone, he's a psychopath and a prick who cant even be bothered rehearsing songs for concerts and then proceeds to get mad over nothing

no-one should give a shit about this band any more. there is absolutely no reason they should still exist

pretty sick and bored of the band and their songs now and this only made it feel worse

this band is pretty much a joke now

i'm out of here forever