Chewbacca

The 64 is still the console I play the most, second to the PC only.

I don't really care much about graphics, otherwise I wouldn't play Dusk or Wrath: Aeon of Ruin. Both great games that have blocky graphics.

Okay... I tried to play and... it's Overwatch... Sigh...

That's definetely the worst MP a Doom game has ever had. Seriously, why the fuck would someone choose the revenant?
 

20 hours ago, Dazey said:

Fuck me Chewy!! Get a fucking duster will ya?  

Why? All that dust will be there again in 2 days

Check it out:

Did you guys play that Doom 64 that came with the game? 

It has some lost levels on it and, believe it or not, they give us some lore that links doom 64 to doom 2016.

It's official Doom 64 is Doom 3.

The timeline would be:

Doom (and the Ultimate Doom) > Doom 2  (which includes TNT evilution and Plutonia)> Doom 64 (3) > Doom 2016 (4) > Doom Eternal (5)

I'm not sure, but I think Doom 3 is a retelling of Doom 1, with that in mind, it goes like this:

Doom and Doom 3 (and Ultimate Doom) > Doom Ressurection of evil > Doom 2  (which includes TNT evilution and Plutonia)> Doom 64 (3) > Doom 2016 (4) > Doom Eternal (5)

What do you guys think?

Is Doom 3 and RoE part of the timeline?

Perhaps it happened between Doom 2 and 64? Maybe between 64 and 2016?

I still have my Doom 64 on my old N64, and I still play it!

Just found Daisy in exultia. Maybe it was her ghost? Or Doomguy going crazy.

On 21/03/2020 at 8:22 PM, DeadSlash said:

I was loving it at first also, 2 things wore on me REALLY fast:

1. Incessant parkour. It's much more of a platformer than any other Doom.  It got formulaic really fast.  Skirmish, then dead end, look around find path to jump across map.

2. Not enough ammo. ffs.  I have ammo almost maxed, I can unlock one more ammo slot in my suit, it will bring me to a staggering 24 shotgun shells up from the 16 you start with.  Essentially, the way you fight is pretty set in stone: Exhaust your ammo, hit chainsaw attack to restock, repeat as needed.  Even with ammo capacity maxed out, EVERY weapon only lasts about 5-7 seconds in an intense firefight before exhausting all of it's ammo.

 

It's driving me nuts that you max out at 12 possible shots from the most iconic weapon in video game history, the double barrel shotgun!

I am actually splitting time between Doom Eternal and Doom64.  At first I was like "What is everyone bitching about?"  Then it got old fast.  See if the same happens to you or not.

 

PS. I like the map too, you can power it up btw, so it gets even better later.

Gotta agree with you. Eternal feels a little mediocre on some parts. The combat, which relies heavily on scripted glory kills and chainsaw to get health and ammo (and that gimmicky flamethrower for armor), feels like they tried to shoehorn too much stuff and sacrificed quality.

My biggest issue is the maps. They are too linear and you can't go back after some checkpoints. You know, classic doom was all about map awareness and how you used the entire map to engage on combat, here they are always locking you up in small arenas (not as much as doom 2016). It gets old fast. Sure, Classic Doom had some of those too (mostly on sandy's levels), but this concept was used more as a trap to surprise you. In Eternal you come to expect it.

Anyways, let's get to modding.

Well, I played it and... it's not bad, but it didn't impress me as much as I thought it would. 2016 had its flaws, mainly the level design full of arenas. 

This one kinda adresses the boring arena layout from 2016, which, was the only flaw on a otherwise great SP campaign, but at the same time the levels feel kinda uninspired this time around. I'm in a loss for words to exactly tell you why I like Doom I and II's levels better.

The movement received a big improvement with the air dashes, kinda like unreal, except you can do it on the air without the need of a wall to kick.

Combat would feel a lot better WITHOUT the glory kills. Just like in Doom 4 (2016) They are cool at first, but after the 100th kill animation it starts to wear out. It doesn't help that melee attacks seem to do no damage to enemies that aren't staggered. The biggest problem is that you run outta ammo kinda fast and just have to use the chainsaw (which is still a scripted weapon) everytime you need ammo and it feels gimmicky at times. Oh, well. At least I'm playing on PC so I can mod glory kills and the scriptchainsaw outta the game. I don't really dislike the glory kills, but you end up using it on every single enemy, even lowly-cannon-fodder-zombies because it gives you resources.

Soundtrack and art direction are the high point for me. Some nice 8 string metal tunes and classical designs making a comeback make for a nice fanservice. This game is also more colorful and less dark, which is a breath of fresh air for an industry stuffed with shooters featuring poorly lit enviroments and dessaturated colors.

The story is... who cares really?

I would give it a 7.5/10.

1 hour ago, Coma16 said:

I still think bringing back Palpatine was a terrible move that, arguably, ruined the series.

It sure did. Just shows how poorly planned and made the whole thing was. 

Took me a while to realize what changed. I thougt they would go for a new angle for the headstock, PRS-like.

It is also now officially the worst reviewed SW movie going beyond even I. Not that I really care about what critics have to say...

Okay. I did pre order it. It is a Bethesda (parcially) game, but I'll take the risk. I was rather displeased with their most recent entries, namely, Quake Champions and Rage 3 (thank god I did not fall for fallout 76), but this one seems different. I guess I owe them my goodwill after Doom 2016.

Scom

Rq

Wttj

Nightrain

Patience

Don't Cry (alt lyrics)

Coma

Civil war 

You Could be Mine

Ain't it fun?

Omg

Better

TWAT 

SoD

Atlas Shrugged

There. 4 songs for each era, 1 recent leak, 1 soundtrack song and 1 cover from TSI?

Music. I consider the vocals as an instrument as well, so they matter as much as the bass, guitar and drums.

7 hours ago, downzy said:

To some extend I agree, but to a point.  

It would have been better to see more of the original cast, but how do you make that film?  People like to point to the stories already laid out in the EU but most of those take place not long after ROTJ.  Since everyone would want the original cast to return rather than casting new actors to play Luke, Leia, and Han, there's no way to really tell those stories considering the age of the actors.  The film had to take place 40 years later to make it consistent with the actors ages. 

Vector Prime. Just sayin'.

45 minutes ago, Jw224 said:

I think the point was that it was not something anyone would do and was a last resort. Your response is pretty much what I'm talking about and I don't really understand why you don't realise it. 

It was a last resort because it was a flagship they were sacrificing. Now just put an engine on a weaponised projectile and send it flying towards the enemy at lightspeed. Done.

14 minutes ago, Jw224 said:

Weaponised light speed is fine, it was a very cool moment, I forgot we're not allowed cool moments in Star Wars unless they follow the holy bible, though. Mark Hamil later said he was wrong about Luke being out of character after he watched the film, BTW. I agree about TROS being rushed and badly thought out, I think I said that already.  It's more fans in general not wanting to have fun with the series that bothers me, fans being obsessed with detail in these scifi fantasy films and criticising literally everything anyone ever does to try and bring new stuff in. You will never be happy that way. 

Pff... "fine" then why don't they just use it all the time. Just strap a huge engine to a chunk of metal and launch it then. Even if it was hard for Holdo, it was because she had no computer to calculate (which makes it even dumber for her not relaying this task to a droid with machine precision). If computers can calculate coordinates for lightspeed-travelling vessels not hit each other, then it can calculate how to hit them, and engineers would've surely researched that, since it is so effective and pretty much criples the utility of star destroyers. It's not about being cool, it's about being incoherent.

25 minutes ago, Jw224 said:

You can't criticise the new movies for something and then act like it's fine that it happened in the old ones. Nobody is arguing that they are better movies, more that you guys are very selective with what you want to criticise. 

25 minutes ago, Jw224 said:

You can't criticise the new movies for something and then act like it's fine that it happened in the old ones. Nobody is arguing that they are better movies, more that you guys are very selective with what you want to criticise. 

What happened in the old movies? A miserable detail like an accent? An incest that was properly handled and that characters had no way of knowing it anyway? It being not planned as a Trilogy at first because of budget limits? 

You want to compare that with the weaponized light speed? Rey being able to be a better lightsaber duelist than a guy who trained all his life WITHOUT any sort of training or doing Jedi mind tricks also without training? They falling into some quicksand wormpit insearch of a mcguffin and then finding said thing and an abandoned, but still functional ship? Luke acting out of character (even his ACT0R was like "I don't agree with nothing in here")?  The whole throne room fight where they had to erase a weapon from one of the red guys's hand so he would not kill Rey? Palpatine surviving and screwing up the OT's achievements? Palpatine being able to amass two armies, a giant sith fleet with planet destroying technology and another death star without anyone noticing? Rey being the daughter of nobodies at 23:59 and then being Palpatine's long lost granddaughter at 00:00?

34 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

and that's been my entire point the whole time. 

And that's a pretty bad point since they tie this loose end in 6 and it was caused in first place due to the fact it wasn't planned as a trilogy and it wasn't planned as a trilogy due to budget limits (nobody wanted to bet on it) and it being a movie that was largely discredited and expected to fail. A completely different scenario from what Disney was given. Seriously, nobody expected the OT was going to be a hit. That's why "Star Wars" only became episode IV A New Hope AFTER Empire Strikes Back was almost ready to hit the theaters. Also, A New Hope almost didn't come out due to problems caused by the delays on the SFX caused by ILM.

In fact, the notion that IV was going to bomb was so spread between the staff, that even the actors were goofing around betting who had the dumbest lines on that space mumbo jumbo. Those are some well known facts for Star Wars nerds and even with all that crap they still managed to release an unassuming flick that became a blockbuster that changed pop culture forever.

6 hours ago, RussTCB said:

You guys are literally making me lol with your thin justifications of a gigantic plot hole lol

What plot hole? The incest? They didn't know and Obi Wan was not around when they kissed on 4 or 5. It's not really a plot hole. Sure he could've told that Leia was his sister when they saw her on the hologram, but he was clearly trying to keep it low so Luke wouldn't discover Vader was his dad.

Sure, they being siblings wasn't planned from start, but back then Star Wars was a movie nobody wanted to bet their money on and even Lucas was expecting it to fail, which is why Splinter of The Mind's Eye came as a possible plan B sequel with a much more simple and monotonous setting in order to have a lower payable budget. A very different situation with Disney who picked up SW as a household name.

24 minutes ago, Dazey said:

The problem is that they by definition come before the OT therefore they have an impact on the story and the characters. You can't watch the prequels without affecting your perception of the characters in the OT whereas you can see the ST purely because it doesn't really impact narratively on what happened before.

Yes, but it cripples their achievements. After starkiller fired, and with the knowledge we now have that Palpatine is behind it all and with a new fallen Skywalker, we were back to where we were by the begining of episode IV. With the prequels, Vader was still Vader, him being a crybaby when young is irrelevant, he changed into Vader nevertheless, Palpatine was still Palpatine, Obi Wan was still Obi Wan and so on...

Thanks to the sequels, Luke is not the character who went thru the hero's journey and achieved his objectives anymore and saw light in Vader, he's a grumpy failure that tried to kill his nephew, even if he was going to give up, he went all the way there, completely out of his character and what his more mature and resolved self from the EU would never do.

Vader also had the short end, his prophecy was no more. Palpatine survived and so on. The prequels did not touch that. 

1 hour ago, Dazey said:

I'd disagree with that. As bad as TLJ and ROS are, the prequel trilogy movies are infinitely worse. The sequels may be shit but at least they didn't make Darth Vader into a spotty teenager who was a whiny little bitch. 

The prequels also completely ruin the "No, I am your father" moment which is kindof a big deal is it not?

Nah. The prequels are pretty bad, but they aren't a disaster that makes the OT meaningless. TFA was a good flick, better than I and II will ever be, but 8 and 9 cripled this trilogy so bad that the prequels don't look that bad next to it and they WERE bad.

36 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

And that's how I view TFA and Rise. 

The only good thing the prequels did😂

1 hour ago, RussTCB said:

I totally understand that there are plot holes and so on, but again, there were lots of those in the OG trilogy yet it gets a total pass for some reason. 

Because they were good movies. It had plot holes, but its positives overweighted the negatives.

1 hour ago, PatrickS77 said:

Yeah. Like I said. The whole movie is dumb as fuck. You can only enjoy it if you hand in your brain at the door when entering.

I'm sure though someone will say that the emperor has survived in that piece of DS that miracoulisly wasn't destroyed and made it on that planet. 

Note that those pieces of DS had to enter in an atmosphere...