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  1. And saying that her story is impossible or that there are a million versions of it doesn't make it so. I don't think she has ever expressed any interest in going to court. If she did, people would then say it's all about money kind of like people are now saying about Sheila's case. It's a no-win situation for a rape victim. Whether she sues or not, she will be attacked for it.
  2. He doesn't look very happy, but what else is new. At least it's good of him to take pictures with fans even as he's evidently not too thrilled to do so.
  3. A great many people believe her and do not find the story unbelievable or ridiculous.
  4. She said the filmmakers Sophie Cunningham and Ben Steele fought hard to keep her part in the film. I'm guessing the BBC had the final say and pulled the interview to avoid lawsuits, possibly after being contacted by Axl's lawyers and/or on the advise of their own lawyers. The New York Adult Survivors Act does not apply to Michelle's case. She could have filed a lawsuit under California's Child Victims Act, which provided a three-year "lookback window" allowing childhood sexual assault survivors to file a lawsuit no matter how long ago the abuse occured, but the window expired at the end of 2022.
  5. It's perfectly normal to tell a story and share more details later. It's also perfectly normal that there might be holes in the story or unanswered questions when a person in their 40s or 50s is looking back to a traumatic event that occured more than 30 years ago when she was 15. Experts would tell you that it's normal even when the traumatic event is recent. Read about it here https://time.com/3625414/rape-trauma-brain-memory/ and here https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/jr/trauma/p4.html I'm not seeing anything at all that would allow any rational and well-informed person to conclude that the accusations against Axl are false. All I'm seeing is fans incapable of being objective and even deliberately distorting what the victims and other people have said.
  6. Raz later apologized for mixing politics into it, but I don't really blame him, considering he was answering to Duff, who had also brought up Trump's comments. I'm curious, what do you all think about the allegations against other artists included in the report? Is Axl the only innocent person on the list or are these other people also being falsely accused? Ryan Adams Jimmie Allen Nick Carter Danny Elfman Justin Geever aka Justin Sane Clifford Harris Jr. aka “T.I.” and Tameka “Tiny” Harris Cornell Haynes Jr. aka Nelly Don Henley Daniel Hernandez aka Tekashi69 Jacob Hoggard Jermaine Jackson Melissa Viviane Jefferson aka Lizzo Robert Kelly aka R. Kelly Anthony Kiedis Thomas “Tommy” Lee Jerry Lee Lewis Prince Rogers Nelson aka Prince Tremaine Neverson aka Trey Songz Ted Nugent Paul Oakenfold Dieuson Octave aka Kodak Black Jimmy Page Thomas Wesley Pentz aka Diplo Elvis Presley Rolling Stones William Bruce “Axl” Rose Jr. Cherilyn “Cher” Sarkisian Nikki Sixx Gordon Sumner aka Sting Steven Tallarico aka Steven Tyler Kaallan “KR” Walker Brian Warner aka Marilyn Manson https://www.andersonadvocates.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Music-Industry-Report-2024-02-27_updated.pdf
  7. I have no recollection of her story changing dramatically. What was the most dramatic change? It's a great letter. I hope Duff read it.
  8. Rolling Stone has also reported on this: Appearing on video was Michelle Rhoades, a woman who alleged that Axl Rose sexually assaulted her when she was 15 years old in 1985, just before Guns N’ Roses rose to fame. Rhoades had spoken about the allegations on social media in the past, though this was the first time she’d spoken so publicly on the claims. In the video, Rhoades alleged that Rose and two other men assaulted her at the band’s rehearsal space and that afterward “Axl Rose would pick up my limp, bruised, and bloodied body and throw it out into the parking lot like a piece of trash.” )A rep for Rose did not reply to a request for comment.)https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/make-music-safe-report-survivor-groups-sexual-abuse-1234976725/
  9. Michelle Rhoades aka Little Michelle has been interviewed by The Washington Post. https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/2024/02/28/music-industry-sex-assault-cases-lawsuits/ Allegations against Axl, pages 110-113 https://therepproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/SOUND-OFF-Make-the-Music-Industry-Safe-Report-February-2024.pdf
  10. I suspect something similar may have happened with the Look Away documentary as well. There are only two explicit rape accusations in it. One of them is against an anonymous person and the other against a dead person. In the documentary, Sheila makes no mention of the anal rape that in the other version of the story precedes Axl's apology. Michelle's interview is missing entirely. It's possible all of these decisions were made to avoid defamation lawsuits. In my opinion, the story is incriminating enough even in the form that it appears in the documentary. Consent is not given freely in a situation where violence is present. As a thought experiment, imagine if one person signs over their property to another person immediately after being physically assaulted by that person. Is there anybody who would consider such an agreement valid? It shouldn't be any different when it comes to consenting to sex.
  11. He didn't say "a year ago", he said "last year". Stop twisting things.
  12. Why do you think it could not have happened later? My guess would be it happened in the summer of 1991, perhaps around the Toronto shows: "During the interview, Tom Zutaut, the young artists-and-repertoire executive at Geffen Records who signed Guns N' Roses, arrives from Los Angeles with the tracks for the band's two new albums, which are now tentatively due in September. Rose still needs to put the final vocal on one selection--and a studio was booked in Toronto for the next night."[The Los Angeles Times, July 21, 1991]
  13. I should add that in the Rolling Stone interview Axl did in 1992 he said, "I didn't know my sister was molested until last year." which directly contradicts the idea that he told Zutaut about it in 1990.
  14. If I have said something that isn't true, it's because the original source (Axl, Zutaut, George Chin, etc) was wrong. I don't think the post above yours corrected what I said but added some more information and opinion to it. For all our speculation, it remains we can't be certain when the discussion took place or what exactly was said. It wasn't a written note from Axl as you claimed earlier. Your fierce commitment that it happened in 1990 or whenever you think it happened seems rather deranged. I have no horse in this race. It would make sense to me if it happened in 1991, after Axl and Zutaut temporarily reconciled, because that would also be closer to when the interview actually happened in 1992. On the other hand, if it happened earlier, that would give Axl more time to change his mind about who he was going to say sexually abused him. I'm fine with whenever it happened or even if it didn't happen at all but still uncertain.
  15. Can you (or anyone) provide a quote where he says he remembered it before he started therapy? (I'm talking about conscious memories.)
  16. They were still recording as late as summer of 1991 and Zutaut was still around. He returned after Axl called him and apologized. The fall-out they had over Erin wasn't the end of their communications. So it's a very wide time window. It's also possible that decades later Zutaut's recollections aren't accurate. Where did I say otherwise? I think she was talking about her thinking at the time it happened that led her to not go to the police. She blamed herself for putting herself in that situation, allowing it to happen etc. But that discussion should probably continue in the other thread. You are by far sloppier with your facts than I am with mine and that is the truth. He didn't just choose not to talk about it. He made it very clear it was his biological father, not his stepfather, who sexually abused him.
  17. We had this discussion before, and you didn't provide any source, so my impressions are still based on the interviews I've read myself. He may have suspected it, but I don't think he ever said he remembered it before starting therapy. We don't know when his conversation with Zutaut took place. I started the post with "Going by what Axl said in interviews" to make it clear I wasn't taking Zutaut's comment into consideration. I don't remember whether he ever called it abuse, although I assume he had started to perceive it as such at some point. He did say "I thought these things were normal" in the Rolling Stone interview in 1992. You should take the time to actually read the interviews and not be so quick to assert that something isn't true. I think this is at least the third time you have falsely accused me of saying something that isn't true. Take a look in the mirror. Axl's "details" changed quite considerably if you believe the Zutaut quote that you are so fond of. He told Zutaut he was going to do the Rolling Stone interview to expose his stepfather for sexually abusing him, but when he actually did the interview, suddenly it was his biological father who had sexually abused him. This is indeed in a whole different ballpark from Sheila's situation.
  18. From your link: "Alleged memories resulting from regression therapy included early memories of his stepfather being abusive to his mother resulting in Axl being born with a hatred towards his stepfather [Rolling Stone, April 2, 1992]." I think this is incorrect. He was talking about his biological father, not his stepfather. I don't recall him ever accusing his stepfather of being abusive to his mother.
  19. Going by what Axl said in interviews, he didn't know he had been sexually abused. He only found out about it when he was about 29. He believed something must have happened that would explain his issues with women, and other problems, so he started regression therapy and came up with the memory of having been raped as a child by his biological father. He also said he had been beaten as a child by his stepfather, which I assume he had remembered all along, but most likely it would not have been considered child abuse in Indiana at the time, or even now, and Axl himself said he had thought it was normal (even though he's now trying to use it against Sheila Kennedy that she didn't initially recognize that what happened to her was rape). I imagine he didn't think it was enough grounds to cut ties with his family, especially if his stepfather had changed and was remorseful for what he had done.
  20. She deserves some blame at least for how she reacted when Kat tried to turn to her for help.
  21. I suppose anything is possible, although I don't think being mistaken about the identity of your rapist is anywhere in the same ballpark with being mistaken about what he said on the radio or other details. The radio thing could be a dream she had and 30 years later thought happened for real. Lots of possibilities. (And, no, I don't think that means that she may have as well dreamt up her entire encounter with Axl.) I don't think she's being deliberately dishonest about any of these things, but I do think that her mistakes create an impression that her memories are in a disorganized state (althought I think she's been trying to sort them out for the lawsuit.)
  22. Even if Sheila herself didn't use the word "rape", a lot of people recognized that was what she was describing even in 2016. Read the comments to the Daily Mail interview: 'He raped her then. Because that's what she's describing. No need to euphemize rape with "had sex with her."' (This comment has 332 upvotes, 31 downvotes.) 'Re: Axl Rose: Dear Daily Mail, Usually they call that scenario "rape", not "had sex".' (180 upvotes, 14 downvotes) 'I get tired of hearing about people who think saying "Sorry" after they have done something awful, makes it ok...' (286 upvotes, 30 downvotes) 'I'll never think of Axl Rose the same again.' (186 upvotes, 73 downvotes) And so on. I think it's safe to say that the story did hurt his reputation and wasn't interpreted as a mere account of consensual sex by many/most readers. Also, Little Michelle has been accusing him of rape with that very word for years and he hasn't taken legal action against her either.
  23. It wouldn't make sense to lie about what he said on the radio, because as you said it's easily verifiable. More likely, she just got two memories mixed up or something. People remember things incorrectly all the time even when nobody is deliberately lying. I think her apparent false memory hurts her credibility a little bit, but not to a point where I would conclude that the more memorable event in the story also never happened. After all, she's not suing him for what he said on the radio, but for sexually assaulting her.
  24. In his answer, Axl does not deny the allegations that she was in his hotel room and in bed with him. He merely denies knowledge and information sufficient to form a belief about the truth of the allegations. In other words, a fan photo taken in passing is no longer the only thing he doesn't deny. I'm guessing he must have realized that there could be evidence to support that part of Sheila's story, such as testimony from the other model who was still in the room at that point, or even just from somebody who saw them arrive at the hotel, so denying it is not in his best interest.
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