BangoSkank

Came here for an update on the case, leaving with the knowledge that fans collect his band-aids.

I'm surprised they keep at it when it's become clear he's dodging it. I'm also surprised his lawyers haven't advised him to just receive them. Unless, as has been mentioned, maybe this is a strategy for dismissal?

Is it possible that there could be a judgement against him if he is purposely dodging receiving the papers?

@Blackstar Big thanks for researching and summarizing this stuff. No way I could follow it otherwise.

I had a brief interaction with him in 2013 and even in that short period of time I can confirm: he's a true dickhead.

This is a good question because nowadays it's super easy to get a song onto streaming sites with relative ease. Makes you wonder why they wouldn't have uploaded it already since it's out there.

"Monsters" leak, easily my favorite. Also: "The General" finally seeing the light of day. I like the track and honestly think some of the backlash is because these songs have taken on mythic quality that they can't possibly live up to. And honestly, that's no fault of the band's. Axl recorded it, shelved it, but the title got out and we all got our panties twisted up over what the mysterious "General" could be. "Perhaps" was great too - happy to see a GNR track get good traction in the press. Didn't see any shows, so can't really comment there.

If only Axl had labelled the new band a solo project, he may have felt less of a burden, the record company wouldn't have been on his ass so hard, the general public would have had an easier time accepting the new creative direction, we may have more releases, he wouldn't have been dodging criticism left and right, people wouldn't have been crybabies about someone else taking the solo on "November Rain," people wouldn't have been throwing the question "where's Slash?" at him constantly, and we may even have a band that plays Axl's crazy industrial project in between GNR tour legs. I know it's pointless to wonder, but I'm such a supporter of what Axl was trying to do that I can't help it.

I was also wondering who leaked them and why. MSL has been out of the game awhile, right?

They could drop a few things here and there, but idgaf, they're one of my favorites, play as long as you want.

Hopefully Monsters - song rules.

Nah, but I don't get excited over them touring because of money. It's either a $100 shit seat or a $400 GA (which I refuse to pay). It's a very privileged problem, I acknowledge, but just tough to get psyched over one of your favorite bands with soaring concert prices.

I could roll with this too. Something else I think about is if this were billed as a solo project not only would we have more albums (most likely) but we might even have a band that still tours between GNR legs, playing these songs. A lot of the music from this era still just fills me with a sense of "what might have been".

I have to be honest, I have only skimmed the accusations because they were so troubling and I was inclined to believe something happened, given Axl's history. But if there are two records of her claiming it was consensual prior to this, one in a book she wrote herself, that throws a wrench in the whole thing.

I think Axl gets an unfair amount of shit for how long it took. He thought it was virtually done in 2000 and we know the locker leaks that he was basically right. And if you've read Chinese Whispers there are multiple accounts of people coming in and just going, "add this, add this, here's a new producer, add this." And then what came out in 2008 was super similar to what was done in 2000 with just a lot more layers on it. I wrote a whole essay about this, but I honestly think if he just labelled it a solo project, the public and critics would have been a lot more receptive. I also think the label would have been less apprehensive and pushy about making it sound a certain way. Yes, Axl is a crazy perfectionist in the studio with bizarre work habits, but again, it was virtually done in 2000. He's made it clear that he would never have labeled solo, so it is what it is and what's done is done. My personal take? I like the album a lot still. My two beefs with it are that there are just enormous amounts of layers of each song that it gets a bit convoluted at times. ALSO, I wish it was heavier. Axl was very into industrial metal at the time and "Better," "Shackler's," even the title track show this and fucking rule. And listening to everything that's leaked you can see he had so much more in this direction. I don't know, I wish we had an Axl solo album of: Chinese Democracy Shackler's Revenge Better Silkworms Oh My God Dummy There Was A Time Devious Bastard Monsters The General Prostitute It wouldn't be for everybody, but it would be for some people, and I would be one of them, and man, would I have loved it.

Yeah, but unfortunately the legal and PR advice given around this stuff is always deny, lay low, and it will pass, and that usually ends up being right.

Yeah, I largely agree with this take. Even if this instance isn't true there are many other stories like it out there. And honestly, I don't fully hold it against him in the sense that I don't view him as a Weinstein or a Cosby. He was very unwell, untreated, manic, and likely had horrible trauma he was dealing with as well. Tie in the drugs, booze, leeches/hangers on, and a revolving door of women just wanting sex for status, it becomes a disaster waiting to happen. I do hold it against him in the sense that he was very wrong at the time and he owes those people acknowledgement, apologies, money, something. I don't even need it public, but right your wrongs. They're gonna not discuss it.

And he was being followed by camera crews for most of the year. And when the lawyer was confronted with all this he said he had evidence that Dylan was actually in NY ("blogs and things").

My honest take: Axl was not well, a wreck, and very unbalanced at this time. Seems to jive with Erin Everly's experience around then. I can buy it, or something similar, happened. The question now for me is, where do we go from here and what will happen to Axl's reputation with us and the general public? My honest guess is it will probably fade from the public's mind and maybe she reaches a settlement. [Shrug].

Same. I had two brief interactions with him outside of Brooklyn Bowl and he could not have been more rude. Everything here rings true for me.

Why Bucket (& later Bumble) didn't take every solo. I have always wondered if this board is what became of just GNRFORUM. There was one epic Finck thread on there in '03 that I sometimes think about posting a tribute to.

Where does one listen to Evader mixes now? I loved a few of them and was crushed when they left YouTube.

They (normally) ain't as good as Robin & Bucket on this kind of material, brah. That said, if this really is Slash on this, I am pleasantly surprised. I loved "Silkworms" but wasn't convinced his style meshed well with it. I'm vibing big on "Monsters" so if it is him, I am excited about the future. 100% - if it actually is him I am psyched.

And if you go back and read my edit you'll see I acknowledge that, you dummy.

Just chiming in to say I love both, but especially "Monsters" - it's heavy, crazy, industrial, and exactly what I want to hear from those days of Axl recording. This reminds me so much of the Village leaks. It's something the band had forever, Axl was probably insecure over, and we all just fucking eat it up because it rules. I may be going against the grain but I do not want Slash & Duff on these or any similar material - just release them as is. EDIT: Read back some pages. Has it been confirmed that Slash & Duff are on these or Finck?