Tom2112

Best of a bad bunch is not great praise though😄 but yeah I'd have done Hardskool, Monsters, Perhaps

It could happen. However it just makes no commercial sense to not have Slash as the main lead guitar player on a GNR record. I mean Richard would be doing well to get featured on a song and he's still in the band! The only ONLY way we hear Richard/Bucket/Bumble/Robin parts in any logical situation is a bonus edition of the album which features alternative mixes. Even then, GNR are working hard to deflect the reality of where these songs come from, they want people to not know where and who wrote these songs. Releasing these songs with alternative members undermines that. It's a god damn shame Axl didn't just pull the trigger in 2014 and release the follow up to CDII, that was the last time they could be released and accepted IMO. The moment Slash came back all clocks went back to 0.

But he's got a lot of songs out already and they have all failed to set the world on fire... what is the objective of releasing music that is not even popular among the most hardcore of fans? if it's just to please himself then fine, but if it's in the hope that we might not get it straight away and with time we'll understand the genius of these tracks... that's pretty delusional😄

I'd agree with this. Old songs stripped apart and completely re-recorded is acceptable. Using 20+ yr old vocal takes and drums? it just doesn't work. Even if you didn't know the history, you can hear how separate the finished product sounds

Hey I like those guys a lot (not as much as you🤣) and their contributions to CD, but the time has passed. It really had passed (years ago) by the time they started releasing these songs, but IF the songs were great then they could have been granted an extra lease on life... they were passable songs, some about as good as the less good GNR songs, others much worse.

At this point what would be the point of releasing a compilation album including all the songs they've released. In terms of effort vs reward it won't pay off, because the material has largely not connected with people. Hardskool and Perhaps were closest to getting a positive reaction upon release. And the idea of rehashing songs from the original CD album, I mean it's not a good idea. They would be slated "guns n roses are so out of ideas they reach back to 2008s flop for inspiration" that could be taken from any potential review. I don't consider Chinese a flop btw😄 IF gnr are releasing an album at this point, it has to be material we haven't heard, it would ideally break away from the 97-08 sessions and be current gnr centred (no credits for bucket, robin, Paul, Tommy, Chris etc. just the current members) with maybe 2 songs from the previous era which would be seriously reworked and rearranged, stripped down entirely and completely re-recorded.

I think it's the opposite. If she wasn't defending Fernando gnr would be taking a whole other different approach to this lawsuit and we would have heard of Fernando being possibly being removed as manager. I think she posted this knowingly, possibly to stir the pot. But I doubt she believes her son is innocent of anything bad towards Kat.

I know she didn't mean it the way we understand it, but there has to be a small part of her that wishes she didn't integrate her entire family into the Axl world. You can't give a young guy with zero experience a huge job title like manager of gnr and not expect him to go off the deep end. She should have grounded his ass😄

out of the demo/unreleased stuff SOG Atlas Monsters - this could be a great song, but it needs new parts OR at the very least it needs a new chorus, that part stinks! completely off putting change that doesn't fit with the rest of the song and the vocal melody is so... well, it's just so blah! I'd actually remake Monsters and have the verse with regular Axl and then the other verse where he goes demon Axl, and build an entirely different song either side of each verse, this could be an interesting Mygnr project!

Yeah, the reason the Madagascar lyrics get a pass is that the vocal gets more interesting in terms of rhythm and layering, Perhaps/Hardskool etc. use the same phrasing so it feels like a loop.

Best to worst: Better This I Love Street of dreams There was a time Madagascar Shacklers Sorry Chinese Prostitute If The world I.R.S OMG (end of days soundtrack version) Perhaps Catcher Scraped Rhiad HardSkool Absurd The General

I remember reading he was having health problems, hopefully he's alright now, although health problems in the US can really drop you in a financial hole... Hopefully he's well enough to climb out of it, Axl could certainly throw him a bone and sing on one of his songs. God knows he probably has Bucket CD era songs he could release... But that's going to amount to about $1 in his pocket with streaming revenues. Axl seems like the kinda guy that would help cover costs for someone like Bucket if he thought he was in need, even though they obviously split on not so great terms. At least a song for our boy!!

I remember in the early 2010s there were plenty of rumours suggesting Axl wasn't as comfy as he used to be. It seems crazy considering he takes the biggest share from the gnr catalogue but he also seemed/seems to spend money like water. Like the story of the Knew York apartment. Add that together with touring for years with all the basic costs and then adding late fee penalties on a lot of these gigs. It all cuts down the bottom line. I don't think money was his only concern with the reunion though, absolutely helped her the deal done but I think he valued the chance to put the past in the past with Slash etc. I think right now he is incredibly wealthy, in 2014? Far from broke but not as secure as he (or his accounts) might have liked.

He wouldn't be my first choice of bluesy drummer

He should hire Robin, Bucket and Bumble to re-records his parts. Really throw us through a loop😄 It'll be a proper disappointment if Axl isn't on this album, even if it's a cover song.

I don't think there's a silver bullet issue explaining 201-2014. Why did he sound dramatically different in 2011 I have no idea, but I think it's a combination of things technique being one of things

If you're not exercising your voice regularly the muscle weakens, so then when the tour comes around and you haven't sang a 2.5hr show in 6 months the muscles are not going to work the way they did. Some singers are freaks of nature and they can not tour for months and then hit the stage without even warming up... others have to work, Axl is on the latter side of things, and the guys that don't practice and warm up generally drop keys. Like Sammy Hagar, he sings his full show at home when he's off the road just to keep things oiled. Use it or lose it. What the hell do I know though, it's possible Axl sings every day off tour... it just doesn't like that.

No stadiums, no outdoor gigs, no huge world tour. Larger clubs to small arenas. And only a very limited Amount of dates, let's say 5. Shows done like the 2016 Troubadour, lottery for tickets, short notice for when they go on sale etc. Only thing I'd change is that more regular fans should be able to attend over celebrities looking to get spotted at an exclusive event. I'm including Izzy material from UYI as well as material written at the same time as AFD. Open with Out ta get me PC Move to the city (with brass section) Dust n bones Think about you SCOM Don't damn me It's so easy Mr brownstone Jungle YCBM Reckless Shadow 14 years RQ Michelle Don't cry Anything goes Used to love her Whole lotta Rosie Nightrain

SMKC seems to be the place to meet famous rockstar kids, that's where I met Wolf who seemed like a genuinely nice guy, but he also comes across exactly the same in interviews. I think he's less Hollywood. I sound like I'm ragging on Trev, I'm not! talented guy and hope he lands himself a great band to take him to the next level!

No personal experience with him, so I can only go off the interviews where I left with that impression. However I give him the benefit of the doubt (not that means much😄).

I imagine it was tough reading the bile at 18yrs of age, but also given who his dad is, it's insane he went in there and wasn't prepared for all possibilities; probably a good thing he did that it smartened him up to how things really are, and the name will only get you so far. I'm not really a fan of his music, but he can obviously play. It's a tough road to follow when your dads been on every good record in the last 40 years. I'm not surprised there's a bit of a chip on his shoulder, just like Wolf VH. End of the day, talented guys and they took opportunities afforded to them from their family names... who wouldn't? The only reason I dislike some rockstar kids is when they have no humility. If you haven't achieved anything and you're walking around with an ego you need to shut the fuck up. Like I said, I'm not a fan of Trevs music, but at least he's had some success as a writer and some small bands and hasn't been out trying to be his dad. Obviously WVH is killing it and humble too. Trev to me seems a little smug, but maybe that's nerves when he's doing interviews?

Currently I agree, he can't sing in his usual trademark pitches without sounding weak. But (assuming he is as fit as a fiddle) you would be incorrect in thinking that a vocal rehabilitation coach couldn't get Axls voice back to a stronger position and possibly even regain certain notes that he has lost (even at 62). I'm mostly talking about a more clean vocal approach here, not necessarily his trademark rasp... but if everything was strong then that would also improve. You can't turn the clock back fully. However there are many cases of singers who have lost their voices or have "sang bad" for years only to find their voices again. The magic ingredient there is desire. Those singers had the desire to regain their voices and got help to get it back. Does Axl believe his voice is as bad as people say? I think he realises that it isn't what it used to be, but I think (without any evidence beyond my ears) he accepts that it's just age and that by doing his warm up/down exercises he's doing everything that can be done to maintain his voice. I can say with complete certainty that if Axl worked with a vocal rehab coach for the rest of the year a each week, by the time we hear him next year he would be a totally different singer to the last few years with far greater control and power... again that's assuming there is no health reason why his voice has degraded.

Not listening to songs regularly does not make them bad songs. Street of dreams, Madagascar, If the world are (for me) three favourites from that record. Quite partial to a bit of IRS too. I take your point that not everything on Chinese was created equally. I don't agree that adding any of the four latest singles would have improved Chinese though. Perhaps is the best of the litter, but it would have been one more slow rock/ballad songs on an album that already had quite a few. Monsters only comes alive briefly but the rest of the songs vocal is so phoned in! that melody is... Well forgettable is a kind word. The general... Just not a great track. HardSkool. I suppose that could go on instead of Rhiad or scraped, but if it was going on in the way it was circa village leaks I'd rather have Rhiad/Scraped.

I agree with this, there is bound to be more. However, I'm quite happy if they remain where they are this stage. If the 4 singles and Monsters / the other leaks are the best from the batch then I think stopping now is good. Not stopping releasing music, just stopping releasing THAT music. I would as a lifelong fan love for Axl to go out on a high note, a real fucking triumphant good record. I mean for me, if Chinese was the last thing he put out I'd say that's a pretty solid way to finish it... But these last few songs? I wouldn't want that to be my last word. Obviously Axl feels differently about this material, but I just don't see the value in it. Unfocused, repetitive parts and lyrics, fairly forgettable melodies both vocally and instrumentally... And worst of all the songs sound even more pieced together than even Chinese did.

Were people really expecting Duff? I thought that was just fan booking that carried over after Axls stint with the band and cliffs retirement.