UsedYourIllusion

40 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

Unpopular opinion, but I like the 1999 vocals on live era.

They're great, but not as the ONLY official "live record" for this great band, also hi buddy, hope you're well! Still need to order your new book (PS it's Pale)

So we can almost totally re-do Live Era without any rerecorded vocals now, also i'm super fucking stoked

No and they shouldn't, not until Axl gets surgery or has major vocal retraining

On 12/31/2020 at 3:40 PM, Gordon Comstock said:

 

I have Lies so I've never bothered with a copy of LLAS

And like you, I wouldn't own Live Era on vinyl if I hadn't been able to get a great deal on it. Agree with You're Crazy being one of the best tracks, surprised you didn't mention Coma though (that's just a soundboard rip if I remember correctly?)

Dust N' Bones, Paradise City, You're Crazy, seem to shine on the record. The playing seems to be great, and I don't realllly mind overdubbed vocals.. but not 7 years later when it's really noticeable. 

'91-'93 proshots, songs like Perfect Crime, Dust N' Bones, The Garden, Right Next Door To Hell, Don't Cry (alt) with official proshots.

CD stuff is definitely worth considering, lots of material and wasted potential; but to me the UYI records had even more potential. The killer tracks got watered down by bad production. Locomotive, Coma, Perfect Crime, Garden of Eden, Civil War, were oversaturated with sound effects, extra dubbed vocals, and bad mixing.

Please stop posting links

Get Axl in shape and have the polyps and calluses removed from his vocal chords; and get the damn man a singing coach.. 

2 hours ago, The Holographic Universe said:

15 songs in 29 years. Ouch. With that perspective it really is disastrous. 

It is, but it's interesting; the way people reacted back then, especially during the height of MTV, people were so much more reactive and cognizant of new acts people were. And also shows how huge GN'R was. They truly did rule the world of music for a little while, they were the last great American band

It's interesting how everyone was chomping at the bit to get new Guns stuff and we're dying to hear anything new, or for them to tour, and here we are with 15 song after 29 years

19 hours ago, DownUnderScott said:

I think Axl conveyed it perfectly, even declaring the fact he was just a small town white boy to paint a picture of his background. So the problem is actually society’s, it’s failure to understand his perspective and that is his perfectly valid opinion. 

I've always assumed that OIAM is a frame song, that Axl is conveying how someone may feel and act; not his emotions or feelings. But his responses and defense of the song seemed to not support that. Making the song something of a mystery. 

8 hours ago, RussTCB said:

My favorite GN'R album. Such a bummer that nothing else has been released since but I'm very happy to have finally been able to buy Chinese Democracy 

I've grown to more than appreciate the record, I've had this theory--especially after the village sessions leaked--that if Axl released CD as a solo record, and dropped the GN'R name for it, he would've had more control and a green light from the label. I'm not one of those people that thinks it's dumb for a band to continue in that manner (with only a sole original member) but I just think such high expectations don't mix well with wanting to create such an experimental new sound for a band 

Perfect crime is probably my favorite opener, but that's not going to happen, maybe Pretty Tied Up?

Axl pretty much is to blame for the majority of bad shit to happen to GN'R, not that a lot of fans of would deny anything like that. But, frankly if Axl didn't have the rights signed over to him, for the name, in the '90s and the band dissolved in 1996, the future probably would've been a lot brighter for GN'R.

I think that Axl would've had a much much better opportunity to release CD as a solo record--a true solo record. With the Guns name attached to it, the village sessions and experimental second album were pretty much never going to get off the ground the way Axl wanted. Hell if everyone else got a record out, no problem, why couldn't Axl? Because he still had GN'R as the brand. The expectations were always going to be too high with the name. Gilby, Izzy, Duff, Slash, Snakepit, VR, all put out records before CD. The studio probably kept pushing for CD to get rushed out around the mid 2000's to try and speed the process up for a reunion, once they realized it wasn't going to happen early on. 

The 2008 release definitely isn't what Axl had envisioned, that died in the late '90s. We got a late reunion, after 2 disastrous GN'R tours, Axl had blown his voice out and not taken care of himself, not consistently trying to preserve or get better as a singer. 

This isn't a bad thing.. it's his life, I hope he's found happiness. But really everything would've been better if Axl had his shit together, and maybe if they had a competent management group

Best scenario we get 1 more record.. that's it; live material wise, we may never get anything. Realistically, people must act accordingly

Anyone listen to the vinyl mix and can compare it to the original record? How does it compare? What are your thoughts on the mix of the UYI tracks, and the Appetite tracks to the L&L remaster?

I posted this in the general musings thread earlier, but I'm glad Lars isn't bitter about it. I know that in the Inside the music about Metallica, all the guys started shitting on Axl and GN'R really badly for the Montreal riot. I'm not sure how true the claims are about the sound system being messed up, and not being set up correctly/Axl may have been sick or something like that IIRC. 

Either way, a cool time in music, how often could you see Body Count, Metallica, and Guns in a single show? The UYI was such a massive event, I'd love to write a book about it

9 hours ago, downzy said:

This I would doubt very much.  I think Howard was likely locked in as part of the deal.

That's a really cool idea, something I didn't think about.   But I could see them doing Gears before Halo.  

Yeah, it's kind of funny reading Sony fanboys talk about how Sony is going to vanquish Microsoft from the console gaming industry.  Microsoft could buy Sony ten times over and not skip a beat.  I really don't want that to happen as I'm glad there is some competition in the industry, but Microsoft is very unlikely to go anywhere at this point.  

Sony used some smart strategies, specifically selecting DVD and Blu Ray as the format for their consoles, and pretty much have a lead in console sales because of their IPs. It's all good for me as a PC fan, competition has meant that microsoft is spreading the Xbox platform to PC gaming and now I can play Master chief collection on my gaming rig 😎

Hey guys, does anyone have Among Us? Or similarly play the game Mafia? Over on the GN'R discord a few of us have Among Us and it'd be cool to play with some more people! If you haven't checked it out, it's 5 bucks on Steam, super fun game of deception.

If anyone remembers the game Mafia as a kid, or played it at a party, we play on the GN'R discord--The War Room. Would love to have more people from the forum join and play. A lot of us play other games as well!

good hearing Lars talk fondly about the UYI/Black album tour

It sounds more like getting band members a "try out" or demo, or working out the song and arrangements together. They did the same thing with KOHD. Interesting because of the vocal work, but we've seen how every member of the band played their versions of the songs--only difference is Axls vocals after all these years. Otherwise, just meh

I'd prefer a proper version of Estranged from the Chicago or Oklahoma show. Much better than Tokyo

Due to the bands quite terrible/very small live collection, some of the Live Era tracks are incredibly precious--such as You're Crazy from the '88 Tokyo show, Dust N' Bones from the Ritz '91 show, Out Ta Get Me from the Marquee show '87, Paradise City from Las Vegas. It's just a damn shame that the vocals are rerecorded. There are Soo many great performances they could've just picked other ones, but they didn't

I honestly think an official GN'R record from the UYI era, no overdubs, would be incredible. Opening with Perfect Crime and Right Next Door to hell, Brownstone, bad Obsession and Dust N Bones. Man, the raw and aggressive sound from that tour is the true heart of GN'R for me

Does anyone what went into the mixing of the UYI albums, I mean between the demos--which a lot of the performances sound the same (see the Garden demo/instrumental)-- to the final mix? I went through and listened to a couple demos on a car ride recently and it seems like the grit and rawness of the performances, a lot of the heaviness, was taken out by Bill Price. Matt's drums sound noticable worse.

The rhythm guitar sections are too quiet, even Slash's, and everything doesn't have the forward, in your face sound that TSI has; weren't all three records recorded at the same time? Just seems funny the punk-covers album sounds the best out of the catalogue 😂

If they had performed, it would've made the Paris '92 show the most precious and important proshot we would have as a fanbase

1 hour ago, RussTCB said:

Tokyo wouldn't benefit from a blu-ray release as far as video quality goes, since it was video taped and not filmed. 

The only benefit a blu-ray release *might* provide is uncompressed audio. Even then, you'd just have uncompressed audio of a so-so performance from the 92 tour. 

That show would require a complete remix of the audio, they have the soundboard of the show (with Live Era being evidence), so if we got a proper sounding release of the show, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. It just wouldn't excite me that much, like 40 shows off the top of my head I'd rather see in good quality

The only possible thing that could excite me from this, is the possibility of the remastered UYI tracks. If they were smart, they would tease the remasters early. Otherwise it's probably just the standard vinyl versions of previously released tracks. Sad face. I'm so bored with this band.