Nice Boy

I have never understood why Motley Crue are classed as a similar band to GnR. Ok they are both Sunset bands, had a glam look at one point, and if I try to listen to say WTTJ ‘objectively’ I can see how someone who wasn’t into rock music wouldn’t hear any difference between that and Motley stuff. But aside from a few ok riffs, to me Motley represented everything that is cringey about rock music, can’t take them seriously at all. GnR are totally different if only for the diversity of songwriting, and even their ‘glam era’ music was in a totally different league to Motley. 

21 hours ago, vloors said:

I would have thought that 80s opening gig that Axl never turned up for and Izzy/Duff had singing duties would have been the worst.

Oh shit yeah! It’s surprising that they decided to go ahead and play without Axl, because there must have been similar occasions of his absence before this, and certainly there were after - so I wonder why did they choose to play without him this time?

Also which gig / set list was this, presumably that gnrontour site lists it?

10 hours ago, Blackstar said:

09. AUGUST-DECEMBER 1988: LIES AND THE SPOTLIGHT - SEPTEMBER 17, 1988: TEXAS STADIUM (a-4-d.com)

Thanks, Archivist! It’s truly great work that you’ve done documenting all this stuff.. And these excerpts shine a light on what happened this day in Texas

10 hours ago, Stay.Of.Execution said:

The show was in 88 opening for inxs. Apparently there's an Audio recording of this. Not sure if I have it, would have to check 

 

Please do! - It would be interesting to hear this, it can’t be worse than Bridge School or whatever, lol… I bet it’s actually just very ‘raw’ Rock n fn Roll..

10 hours ago, rocknroll41 said:

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure the only gigs the band did in 1989 

Sorry yes, for some reason I typoed 89, every true Gunner knows there were fuck all GnR gigs in 89 apart from those you mentioned.. Jeez I wasn’t even high when I made the post, fuck knows why I made that schoolboy error, lol 

Quite fun to watch!

The Paradise improvisation is a bit of a mess because of the backing band but it’s just a bit of fun anyway.

interesting to see Axl with the Great White singer, I thought GnR hated Great White because of stuff with Niven etc

Slash has said that Cowboys Stadium 1988 was (original) GnR’s worst concert, but he doesn’t really specify why. I’ve never seen any footage or heard any audio, so always wondered what was so bad and why. I’m guessing there were probably technical issues with the PA that caused a fuck up, and maybe some other logistical problems.. anyone know anything about this?

Here’s the original quote:

Metro: What’s the worst gig you’ve done?

Slash: "Guns n’ Roses playing Cowboys Stadium in Dallas in 1988. It was horrific. Everything that could go wrong went wrong and the band didn’t have enough experience to handle it properly. It was a huge disaster in front of 65,000 people. We fell apart on stage. It’s stuck with me ever since.”

I'm astounded no one's yet mentioned that in this interview Tommy utters the immortal words "all things considered"

But…. What does he mean “despite”? 
 

This guy not know it’s totally normal to tour the world earning $billions singing punk songs in a Disney style? 

😅

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/aug/23/punk-legend-wreckless-eric-storming-spotify-whole-wide-world-leisureland-covid

I don’t see why Fortus is regarded as someone who could only fill a rhythm role and not traditional lead. Listening to him duel with Slash, you can hear he matches Slash’s ability pretty easily. It’s just that Slash has that extra presence due to his legacy.
 

Put it this way, Fortus is much more capable of lead soloing than Izzy, great as they both were. 
 

The main thing that gives Fortus the image of being a rhythm rather than lead is not lack of ability, it’s that he is a dude with straight black hair often playing a white hollow bodied guitar and standing to Axl’s right on stage, playing the rhythm part.
 

11 hours ago, alfierose said:

Just came to see if someone posted about Joe meeting Axl in Greece.

I'd love him to do the JRE.

Their political views might not exactly align 

why not, Rogan was endorsing Bernie Sanders, so they both ‘lean Democrat’ 

It’s more about the early 80s LA music scene being influenced by the fast paced hardcore/punk sound of the time, they were listening to a lot of punk stuff and cranking the tempo / energy, with some metal infusion, hence songs like Reckless, Shadow, Nice Boys etc. 
 

fast Crazy obviously had a slightly different emergence as it began as them jamming around The Seeker by The Who, then creating their own song from that on acoustic (slow Crazy) then turbo-ing it into fast Crazy because of aforementioned punk / metal influences.

I just tuned in and they were playing Bad Obsession , what did they open with and songs after that?

Because it’s a good song, popular with crowd, and Axl’s reciprocating for the others learning CD stuff

I like VR stuff, more than CD really, though the bulk of it is a bit generic. You listen through an album and it can kinda blur into one standard rock song. There is variation though, Fall to Pieces etc.

1 hour ago, janrichmond said:

I think he's always been a bit of a tosser tbh

Yeah I thought someone might pinpoint it to 1962, maybe Soulmonster knows 

So: do we know exactly when Axl became a tosser?

On 5/14/2023 at 8:31 AM, Echomarika said:

Ritz 1988, Ritz 1987

 

now here is someone with real taste 

Saskatoon 93 can get a mention from me as well, from the UYI era 

1 hour ago, justynius said:

Get in the Ring and Back Off Bitch. I believe their reason for not playing these in the old days was because it would get the crowd too worked up. 

Doubtful 

They weren’t played because Get In The Ring is just a throwaway joke song, and Back Off Bitch is a juvenile rant from the Hollywood Rose days that none of them really rated or wanted to play after 1987. Both just UYI filler tracks.

Went to 2 consecutive London shows last summer, can’t say I was bored at any point 

On 1/18/2023 at 5:25 PM, allwaystired said:

 

If though they released a new album in 2023, in their 60s, referring to "bitches", sex and such like I'd think it was a fucking disgraceful embarrassment. 

 

How about if they released an album with a song going on about pussies full of maggots and so on, what would you say to that 

3 hours ago, Billy Cundy said:

How the hell is it implausible though?Coke is a helluva drug. To quote Axl in the china exchange interview in reference to Slash’ autobiography… ‘dude, a lot of that stuff didn’t even happen’. Yes it’s in reference to Slash, but I have no doubt every autobiography is sprinkled with a generous serving of   ‘creative license’. 
 

There’s also something called alcoholic hallucinosis. But let’s not go there. All I’m saying, when duff told the story, it was a 23 year recollection of a chronic alcoholic and cocaine addict, from a time when they lived completely untethered from reality. If your drunk old uncle Reggie who’d been in and out of rehab since 80s due to chronic alcoholism said he invented the pogo stick, you’d ignore him. 

I also get the feeling a publicist involved in the book pushed duff to mention it as it’s a fun urban myth (maybe in an effort to convince everyone duff is as culturally relevant as slash & axl).  But that’s pure conjecture, maybe too cynical of me. 
 

fact is tho, writers have confirmed it’s bullshit, so the burden of proof is now on duff. 

When Axl said stuff in Slash’s book didn’t even happen, I expect he means rather that he remembers events differently. Ask any two people how something happened and they will likely give differing accounts. Especially if they were at odds.

But back to the Duff thing. I’m sure a lot of his memories aren’t completely accurate due to substances or just faded memory.
 

But how plausible is it that his recollection of being called up by an animator is completely false? Not likely, imo. There must be some basis of truth in it, even if details are different. So the question is, what did happen then.

The issue is, for anyone that accepts no one from The Simpsons ever contacted Duff about his name: Who was it then, that called Duff up saying they were animators and asked to use his name?

Because it’s implausible that Duff would make up or invent that story.

So who was it? Some other animators who just happened to want to use the name Duff in their cartoon ?

I get people’s annoyance at no new music. But having that as a reason not to go to a show doesn’t make complete sense.. the one place you’re likely to first hear new tracks is, at an upcoming show.?

Anyway I’m going to Hyde Park, London

bit worried it’ll be a short show narrowed to the hits though 

On 4/9/2023 at 2:24 PM, Billy Cundy said:

Duff can’t copyright his bloody name, that’s like me suing a show because there’s something in it called ‘Cundy Crisps’. It’s just a noun. It’s like Slash suing Microsoft because of what they named these / / / 

 

lunacy, absolute lunacy 

It’s different to those examples, because if the call Duff got from the animators was the Simpsons guys, then clearly they were tacitly acknowledging the beer ‘brand’ name was based on Duff’s name. 
 

But even if so, the Simpsons lawyers could argue that Duff had given his consent, so they don’t owe him anything. Duffs lawyers would potentially try to argue that he hadn’t specifically given consent for them to monetise it, yada yada, you know how lawyers are.