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Nightrain voice-crack tour. Take it! 💪
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About 40 I reckon
People younger than that are increasingly likely to be of the “GnR were rubbish because Nirvana were cooler” age range, then younger than that they get into the Korn / Limp Bizkit / other crap-rock territory
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I really don’t like the GnR version. Not just the whole sound of band breaking up / end of era thing, but just sonically it doesn’t sit right with me. I don’t think Axl sounds good on it, compared to Stones.
Ironic really because I think he absolutely shits on Jagger in the Salt of the Earth performance !- 2
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Electric Jumpin Jack is awesone
Dead Flowers is cool
Salt of the Earth was Axls best vocal performance ever!
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I’d guess the main reason he didn’t sound shit with AC/DC was that he knew he couldn’t get away with just coasting it. Having the honour of being called up by one of his favourite bands from youth meant putting everything into the performances. Also it would have actually been interesting and energising to sing that catalogue rather than doing same old SCOM and other ballads about women he doesn’t love anymore. Maybe there was a vocal coach involved too.
To improve the GnR performances, yes tune down a step, even a full octave like he did for some Locomotive parts, and maybe change voice for some, I’ve always thought November Rain would sound better with the Patience voice anyway..
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One thing I noticed is that he doesn’t really say much about the actual GnR music. Though I suppose he didn’t really write any of it. Slash talks about it more in his book.
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I predume Atlas Shrugged is an Ayn Rand reference… Axl is not a fan of her is he? That’d be a disappointment..
Any clue in the lyrics?
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It’s got to the point where even his most ardent supporters can’t justify his performances. Some of the NITL selects are atrocious, and they are supposed to be the best performances??
if I was him I would feel bad about charging fans that much to hear such garbage vocal performances.
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I reckon getting rid of the stage rants was something Slash stipulated in the contract. But he’s probably just more mellow now in older age plus isn’t faced with thousands of drunk teenagers every time he goes out on stage.
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I would love it if they brought back The Garden. It’s one of the few greats on UYI, imo. The only thing is, it doesn’t really translate well to live. Like at Saskatoon 93, it’s cool to hear it, but even with the hq audio it’s a bit iffy.
It would’ve worked better with the Tracy, Roberta etc backing singers doing the ayyyyyyy vocal bits probably. Anyone know if it was played during their time, 92 ?
in a way, Garden is the opposite of DTJ. Garden done in the studio is reall good, but live it’s a bit sketchy. DTJ is great live, some of Slash’s best guitar work like Argentina 92 n 93, but album DTJ is a bit flat, doesn’t express the epic experience of the live UYI performances..
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If it was really written about Slash, wouldn’t it feel a bit weird and uncomfortable for them to perform it together?
Slash would be playing the chords and suddenly thinkin, hang on is this shit about… “Uhh Ax is this song about me?”
Axl: “No?” 🤥 👀
(thinks to himself: fkin narcissist)
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Christ he really trashes Duff in the reunion chapter. And saying he said Frank can’t play drums is pretty bitchy.. it’s quite a short book though, could read the GnR related parts in a few hours. Or less now it’s edited. Lol
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Reading the parts from where he joins the band now; a few things that are noticeable:
The first offer he got, $1500 a week, was really bad, he negotiated s better one
He says Slash gave him a shit deal on the record, ‘half a point’ whatever that means?
He describes Slash as a cunning businessman, almost makes him sound a bit crafty
By contrast he describes Axl as a ‘giver’, financially generous with gifts etc
The story about Matt’s Mum stealing Axl’s weed pipe?! And his rabbi coke dealer?!
There’s some funny shit in this book so far..
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Is it possible to get the unedited version in any format?
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It’s not a particularly good performance from him tbh but I wouldn’t expect it to be at this stage. It’s only carried (pardon the pun) by the fact that her vocal layer masks / supports his. He does look well though.
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I did make a YouTube playlist of Lies, AFD and UYI once featuring all the best live versions 87-93 for audio and video. It still there but with blanks from some takedowns .. it’s a fun thing to do anyway.. (choose best live for all tracks)
Locomotive, Don’t Damn Me and Garden of Eden were problematic as I recall..
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Going back as far as 87, I’d choose..
87 Reckless Life, Ritz
88 Browstone, Ritz
89 Salt of the Earth with Stones, if that counts
90 Hmm.. lol.. Civil War Farm aid though it’s iffy
91 Estranged, Rio
92 Coma, Chicago
93 Double Talkin Jive, Argentina
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I don’t know about best, but the funniest I’ve seen is from something like Toledo 1988.
He does the usual “do you know where the fuck you are ?” - Then after a pause says, still in the high rasp, “Good, then go home”, lol
Then he realises his pun might be taken the wrong way so adds “I’m joking!!” as a sort of disclaimer lol.
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Brownstone is one of the most played songs of all, and it’s not going anywhere. Personally it’s one of my favourites so I definitely don’t think it should, or will, be dropped. More to the point, the fact that it’s in low vocal register makes it easy for Axl to sing (same as ISE) so it’s perfect as an early set vocal warm up. It just wouldn’t make sense to drop it.
Much as I’ve long held that dropping and octave on some songs to avoid excessive Mickey is something Axl would never do for the sake of pride, I’m beginning to think it may be the only solution to his ever degenerating voice. It worked fine with Locomotive. I just listened to NITL Dead Horse and tbh he sounds awful. They should just have him do an octave drop, or just change key of the songs across the whole set list, pitch them down so he doesn’t have to force that Mickey so much. I don’t like moaning about it but it’s beyond a joke how bad it is now.
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I didn’t know Canter went on tour with them outside of the US? I woulda thought Robert John would be a more likely person. On the Donnington crowd shot vid you can see a cameraman on the stage right in front of Axl n the band.
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The Donnington crowd shot footage is still about. At the beginning you can seeSteven jump out from the drum riser and stop Slash playing to point out something in the crowd. Also Axl saying there is a pile up. So the band were evidently aware of the trouble and trying to solve the problem as best they could.
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13 hours ago, The Dissident said:
It is a toss up between Rocket Queen, Coma, Locomotive, Civil War, and Estranged.
Estranged was the first the came to mind, but I think Civil War might be the one I'd choose if pressured.
Exactly this, these are the ones I’d choose. Probably add The Garden too.
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Tbh sounds more like Elton John being a diva. He was demanding to see Axl and rehearse at that specific time. It could be understandable Axl might’ve been exhausted at that time and needed sleep to pull off the performance he did. I don’t think Axl would have been intentionally blanking his hero. He was probably genuinely not in a state to see anyone at that point, let alone rehearse. And he did eventually rehearse with Elton anyway, as he recounted in the Eddie Trunk interview.
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A little known aspect of this performance:
At the beginning of PC after the first ‘take me home’ you can see Axl point at some people in the crowd and scream ‘Shove it’! - Those people were actually the protesters who had been trying to get GnR removed from the lineup because of homophobia on OIAM. They were unsuccessful but still attempted to disturb/provoke Axl with some banner in the crowd. He knew they would be there and hence tells them to shove it.
A bit later on you can see Duff and Axl share a warm handshake. That was Duff saying thank you to Axl for not going on a rant about the protestors. Duff had requested Axl remain calm and not rise to them on this occasion as it would spoil the event. Axl managed to abide by this and hence Duff was thankful.
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COURTNEY LOVE "TARGETS" AXL ROSE, STEVEN TYLER & JIMMY PAGE FOR THEIR UNDERAGE RELATIONSHIPS.
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I lost all respect for Courtney and Kurt after watching their “home movies” footage. Him attempting to hold his infant child whilst falling asleep nodding out on smack. Banging on about Axl and GnR, he was clearly obsessed with the rivalry and saw himself as morally superior. Ok he didn’t do the macho shit or release a song with lyrics like OIAM. But most of his songs were just cryptic junkie introspection. And I say that as a fan of their music. He may not have been an often cringey macho poser like Axl in his songs, but then, Nirvana never wrote a song like Civil War either, so out of the 2 bands it was GnR that made more of a statement in terms of ethics really. As for Courtney, she was mostly a drunken loudmouth idiot (who instigated the backstage MTV ruckus). She’s not exactly wrong about the people she’s “calling out” here but it’s hardly news, everyone knows what Page, Tyler etc were up to in their time.