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Honestly you guys will have a really good time at the show. I was sour before the show I went to last summer (no Izzy, so much fucking money, no Izzy, we had to travel quite a ways, no Izzy, stadiums suck, no Izzy etc) but I ended up enjoying it immensely. The crowd and show environment will get your adrenaline up and it is great to see Duff/Slash/Axl together. I mean it really is. For us, that gets lost under all the Izzy disappointment, but it's still a trip. I went into it expecting little interaction between the guys and for it to have a corporate feel, and I knew Axl was frankly, past his prime. And all of those things were true but hearing those guys in a live setting again and listening to music that I really love...it was worth it.
I think Izzy has property in Spain (didn't Matt Sorum say so last summer?) and if his history of appearances hold any clues, he is most likely to show up in Spain, London, or Paris. And yes, it sucks that this is always a crap-shoot, but at least there is some hope for those audiences- he sure as hell ain't showing his ass up to Denver, you know?
Man, the agony and the ecstasy of being a GNR fan never goes away. You're unlikely to get stuck in a riot, at least.
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5 hours ago, BorderlineCrazy said:
Here's a cool pic of Slash's kids, father and brother hanging out with Krusty
Holy shit- the oldest one got so big!
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4 minutes ago, Kris_1989 said:
The part in bold is one of the worst things about being a Izzy fan IMO. The Aerosmith show for example. I could've gone. I was living in LA at the time and would have if I had known but since he doesn't announce anything his actual fans never get to see him live. I was so upset when I found out he was there. Same thing with the GNR shows, you always find out after the fact. It's just shitty.
Not trying to be a bitch but that's a bit of a two way street. If Izzy isn't willing to tour or do any promotion for his music then a label isn't going to take the risk on him. I mean think about it, if you had the money to sign him knowing that he wont do any shows or interviews, would you? Izzy is talented AF and an amazing songwriter but if he doesn't want to be a part of the industry a label isn't going to change that. They'd just be throwing away their money.
I couldn't agree more. Literally the only time you could be sure of seeing Izzy live in the past 24 years is for four shows in Japan in 2000. That's crazy. People would be willing to fly to shows if they knew he was performing! Agitating.
And you aren't being a bitch at all, your'e just being reasonable. This interview:
http://www.snakepit.org/isrsnews.html
Stradlin has also apparently lost his appetite for self-promotion. After this interview, he called his manager, permanently canceled his press schedule and flew to Hawaii.
This was for his last album with Geffen Records. That was the last impression a major label had of him. Actions have consequences, even for rock stars. Rock music doesn't sell, period, but smaller bands and acts still find managers and labels and promoters, they tour and release records- they just work their asses off for it. You have to sell the hell out of yourself. Really hustle. I just don't think Izzy can stomach that- that's why he "hates the business" and that's cool but no one is going to hand him anything either.
I kind of think that Izzy just wants what he wants when he wants it, and that's fine. It is what it is and what it is is Izzy and we're just here like
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1. Patience
2. Come On Now Inside
3. Dust N' Bones
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12 minutes ago, BorderlineCrazy said:But someone recently saw him on a studio and said he's working on a new album. If he is indeed, it would be cool if he could let us know. Just a little tweet saying "new album coming out in may" or something like that would be awesome! He could be clearer about the GNR thing too. He opened the account to say he wasn't involved in the april shows but then didn't say if he wasn't gonna do it at all or what was the situation. He only reacted to Axl's lies but wasn't too specific. Steven said Izzy wants to do it but "the right way". Personally, I'd love a tweet from Izzy saying "I'm open to reuniting with Guns N' Roses as long as they're willing to do it the right way", just leaving the ball on their court
I agree. I don't know if there was ever an album, though. I think people saw him recording the four songs we got and made the album leap.
He hasn't released an album in what, seven years? I think he's fine dropping singles.
Honestly this is the hard thing with being an Izzy Stradlin fan. There will be no solo shows or tour, no interviews or publicity. We have to just wait for another single a day or a month or four years from now and pray that we go to a show that Izzy just decides to show up at or hope that some weirdo at Truetone takes a pic of him in front of their guitar wall.
Frankly, I'm surprised he's even still releasing music. Not making music, which he clearly loves and will always do, but releasing it. Ten years ago he was actively still looking for label support/tour promoters etc. I don't think that's a thing for him anymore. And even top 40 acts don't make money from streaming/downloading. Sometimes I get the feeling that the only reason he has released the singles he has is to give some promotion for the people who play with him. Which is a really nice thing to do. Or to just remind people that he exists in the world.
Not Walkin' and FP Money, though- those were clearly "stick it to them" songs which I love. I like passive aggressive Izzy. But I'm not as nice a person as you guys.
Watching GNR post this:
And then watching Izzy post this:
Was one of my top 2016 moments. Remember one year ago when everything felt exciting as fuck? Can you believe that tweet says "From the boys who will bring you the most chaotic tour of 2016?!
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Izzy's Twitter account has probably outlived it's usefulness to him. Honestly, I think he was mainly using it to make a stink about the reunion last year. I doubt it's a coincidence that he mostly stopped posting after the tour started and it was clear that it was going to be wildly financially successful without him. Beyond that social media was never going to be a good fit for Izzy. He's too private to use it to talk about what he's doing and what he's interested in, and he hates the business too much to use it to promote himself successfully.
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3 minutes ago, BorderlineCrazy said:
@beautifulanddamned I promise we'll behave but no more Nikki pics, please. PLEASE!
I once posted a Justin Bieber pic in the Izzy thread. You guys are getting off easy.
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5 minutes ago, Lumikki said:
Yeah, me too.
But I'm not sure he actually is friends with him or likes him. Duff is good at getting along and playing nice with everyone, but in private he might have a quite different opinion about certain people.
I don't know...
http://archive.seattleweekly.com/2009-07-22/music/duff-mckagan-reintroducing-you-to-the-cr-e/
I mean it's fine. GNR were bad,bad boys too. But Motley gives me the heebie jeebies. And they could all probably give us some super-strain of herpes through our computer screens.
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I don't know how long I'll be able to participate in this thread, it's causing me too much anxiety. This is my fave Izzy album and one of my favorites period, so I guess Take a Look at the Guy? But I don't wanna say it. I mean, take it away, but don't please. Give it back. It's fine.
Who cares about the Duff/Izzy relationship (I do) when we should be working on repairing the Izzy/Jimmy relationship. How about a 25th anniversary Ju Ju Hounds show?
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1 hour ago, Lumikki said:
It's always such a relief to to come here after reading all the stupidity in the main section.
People thinking Nikki Sixx is "a great lad with very little ego" and an "intelligent, likable" dude. You've got to be shitting me
As @BorderlineCrazy correctly pointed out, the man has a bigger ego than everyone who ever was in GNR put together (which is saying something, considering people like Slash, Axl and Sorum have been part of this band) and is a complete and utter asshole. Makes all our favorite idiots in the band seem like sweet little choire boys by comparison.
Also, go ask his ex-wife about what a great guy he is. Or better yet, his step son. The man is a waste of space and air, just like everyone else in Mötley Crue.
/end rant
You can't read The Dirt and come away thinking anything but that Nikki Sixx is pure evil. At least Tommy seems too stupid to truly know what he is doing and Mick Mars is literally crazy. Nikki and Vince are just pure pieces of shit. I actually kind of hate that Duff seems to be friends with this asshole.
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I feel like the Chopaway site + Beenafix + Metal Sludge + Groupie Central are like flashbacks of my youthful internet glory days. That's how I used to de-stress in-between thesis writing in college. Good times.
Anyway, I'm starting to get my hopes up again... Izzy has been silent, Adler is muzzling himself again, the Fernando/billboard thing... maybe they decided to pay Izzy out the ass for a few LA shows? Now that A/S/D are secure in their millions? Reunion starts now? Thoughts? I'm weirdly conflicted over this? Why do I care so much? Too many question marks?? Help???
Knock some sense into me, kids.
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I get the feeling, watching Izzy's last shows, that he was going through a bout of depression/anxiety. Duff's biography:
I could see right there and then [when the Oslo gig in August, 1991, was cancelled because Axl was in France] that Izzy wasn't going to last. The cadence of his walk was different now: I saw it clearly as the lurch of a bicycle with a misshapen wheel. His face was drawn, his eyes blank, his body language exhausted. He had made it with us, sober, touring. But he couldn't stand pissing off the fans an torturing the crew. He had to confront that reality sober. And at the same time he had to deal with Slash, Matt, and me trying to bury our frustrations by obliterating ourselves with drink and drugs. It was only a matter of time now.
And who could blame him? Even in the best of circumstances, facing giant stadium crowds has got to be daunting. And his circumstances sucked. Axl, Slash and Duff were all such a mess by that point. And Izzy had not even been sober for two years. Cantor also said that Izzy was upset by all the money they were wasting on videos and jets and parties and curfew fines. They were making shit loads of cash and throwing it all away.
And I wonder what the start of the Illusions albums actually looked like. Izzy said in an interview that he asked Axl if they could get on a schedule and that Axl threw a fit. Probably went something like this.
"We'll meet at the studio at 3:00 on Thursday."
Izzy shows up at 3:15.
Slash and Duff show up at 7:00.
Axl shows up at midnight on Saturday.
All the spare time is spent on booze and coke.
Izzy stops showing up after a few weeks, the rest of the band feels like he just doesn't care.
I think in the beginning there were three alpha-dogs in the band- Axl, Slash and Izzy. Izzy's voice was muted by heroin for a while but when he sobered up he probably felt like he should have an equal say in the band's direction again. But it seems like it was too late for that. Steven was kicked out and the UYI's became a monster that I doubt Izzy was ever comfortable with. Sometimes I wonder if money isn't the only reason Izzy isn't there now- maybe S/D/A thought Izzy would upset the power balance if he was too involved. Things with the band are obviously delicate. Axl might be intimidated (I don't know if that's the right word) by Izzy in a way that he just isn't by Slash. Slash wanted Axl in his band right away, he was impressed by his talent from the start. Izzy knew Axl when he was nothing.
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I love how we all basically made GNR our boy band. Other little girls in the 80's had this:
We had this:
Ours was better.
YESSSSSS Red pants!
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5 minutes ago, Darkenchantress said:So... do you guys remember the first time you saw Izzy and realized you were lost forever? I do!
Silly banana pants, always in my heart.
I'd really love to hear your stories if you're up to it.
YAY this question.
My friend Angie's (I think everyone had a friend named Angie in the 80's) big sister was a huge fan of GNR and had posters and pictures of them all over her room. One night I slept over and we slept in Angie's sister's room because she was out and she had two twin beds. The bed I slept in was up against the wall and there was a picture of Izzy. It was one from this session:
And I just loved him. I was 10. I would wait all day to see the SCOM and PC videos on MTV.
Angie's sister and her boyfriend took us to the GNR/Metallica show in 1992- it was the first time I snuck out and did something I wasn't supposed to do. But Izzy had quit 2 months earlier. Her boyfriend gave me the Ju Ju hounds CD as well.
Strangely, my parents have seen Izzy live- they were huge Aerosmith fans and saw GNR on the Permanent Vacation Tour. If you ask them how Aerosmith was they will say, "great!" GNR? "Intoxicated!"
But I'm still jealous.
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This is a really fascinating conversation with some great insights from all of you. I think that some of the focus on Axl's look is just a symptom of society's negative view of aging now. And Rock and Roll is a young man's game. Bands almost always get famous when they are in their early to mid 20's. When they are young and beautiful. And GNR is the absolute epitome of that. Appetite is the very essence of youth- it's all about what you want in this very moment. I'm starving, I'm frightened, I'm angry, I'm horny, I'm in love, I'm happy. It lives in the now in the way that you only really can when you are young and your main priority is just to survive. It's what makes that album so vital. And the Appetite 5 at the time were very beautiful boys. For most people, when they think of GNR they will always see this:
Add to that the fact that the grand majority of the world didn't pay attention to NuGuns in any capacity. For most people Axl and Co. disappeared for the better part of 25 years. Axl wasn't culturally relevant, people weren't paying attention. So for a lot of them Axl aged overnight- he simply does't match the vision of him that was held in everyone's collective conscious for decades. Contrast this with Slash, who I love thinking about in this regard because Slash's hair, hat and sunglasses have made him literally faceless and ageless and might be one of the best unintentional image managing moves of all time. He still basically looks the same- just meatier. No one really cares about Duff.
Axl was pretty but I don't remember him being viewed as especially feminine. Super macho guys in lip gloss and ass-less chaps... it was just a thing. It was a pretty wide spread trend in music in the 80s. The real problem with Axl's image seems to be that people have no empathy for Axl personally. When the 'Axl fat memes' came out a few years ago I remember lots of people commenting on one site that I frequented, "well, you get the face and body you deserve." It's hard for any rock star to age gracefully but if you are seen as a misogynist, sexist, homophobic, racist, wife beating little punk, people aren't going to have sympathy for that. And if you are going to make fun of someone, their looks are the easiest target. Axl's just an easy target.
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I gotta believe that tweet was a shout out to this thread in general and maybe you guys helping out with the Instagram stuff in particular since that situation seems to bother Izzy a great deal. I don't think we get many visitors from the main section and that's okay if the Tweet thread is anything to judge by. Like watching a twelve year old shit himself at his own birthday party, that thread. A simple, "Nice of you to acknowledge your fans, thanks for the new music this past year" would have sufficed, but no.
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31 minutes ago, KURT19 said:His Tweet is clearly a response to THIS thread and NOT the main section.
Ya'll should be so proud!
Maybe he is responding to the fuckery that's been going on in the main section lately. Seriously, after a while I just have to turn away. Going on every thread to defend the co-founder of the band and a creative force behind a majority of the songs they are playing right now- it just feels relentless. Like trying to prove that the color red is red. Pretty proud of the Izzy Army, though! Keep up the good work!
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A couple of these I haven't seen before:
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5 minutes ago, Darkenchantress said:
Should I delete the pic, guys? Will Izzy feel offended cause, even after 28 years of being hopelessly in love with him, I cannot recognize him for the life of me?
It's not Tommy or Izzy. It's Izzy's evil twin Spizzy, seen for the first time.
I miss Spizzy.
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4 minutes ago, Top-Hatted One said:
I've got a hunch this may be the last time we see this incarnation of this band. Richard looks bored. Probably sick of playing the same songs for 15yrs and might be considering moving on like Bucket, Brain, Finck, Bumble, DJ & Tommy before him. Frank ain't getting significantly better.
He really does look miserable lately. He looks that way in candid pics, too. I wonder what's up?
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I saw Aerosmith a few years ago and all I remember is that Steven Tyler screwed up Sweet Emotion so badly they almost started over, they had some of the worst old man facial hair I have ever seen, and Joey Kramer had a 20 minute drum solo. 20 fucking minutes. The only reason a drum solo should take 20 minutes is if your Cruecifly gets stuck.
On the plus side, they didn't play that Armageddon song that makes me want to stab myself in the eyeball. On the minus, 20 minute drum solo.
On the one hand:
On the other hand, I've seen The Rolling Stones. You, Aerosmith, are no Rolling Stones.
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My gut says they are done after this tour as well. I think Slash and Duff (and Izzy and Steven) have been ready for a reunion for a long time. Axl finally got to the point where he had trouble paying his employees and knew he was never going to make enough money with NuGuns to support his lifestyle in his old age. With the reunion everything came together for him- Duff and Slash were ready to join the Axl Show, Frank and Richard could be kept in to give NuGuns some validity, they wouldn't have to do any major publicity (he would never have to sit on a couch next to Slash and answer questions) and he could retire and live in the manner to which he has become accustomed. I think Axl knows he can't sing em' like he used to. And he has to be sick to death of those songs. There is a fire in Axl with AC/DC that he rarely shows in Guns now. If he wants, he can dabble in the music world with Angus and not be in charge, which will be a weight off his shoulders after all these years.
Slash can get married again, support his blended family (hello there, prenup!) and go back to his solo work without selling his soul.
Duff's kids will be taken care of into old age and he can become a writer and just be a guest musician with his favorite comrades.
They are old men now. And they aren't the Rolling Stones. They know the geriatric version of OTGM is going to be a tough sell.
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This tour has been a corporate event, not a band reunion. We can post all of Izzy's musical contributions and fight over whether or not Axl/Duff/Slash could tolerate Steven for a full tour, but none of that actually matters. If Steven was a jacked up blowhard but including him would significantly increase the bottom line, he would be there. If Izzy was an unreliable flake but including him significantly increased the bottom line, he would be there. If either of them had physically left the band but had retained equity in GNR INC they would probably be there. But they obviously don't affect the bottom line. From this vantage point in the tour that's pretty clear. For those dedicated to the Appetite 5, or those who want a little bit of press and transparency I think that has been the hardest pill to swallow- that neither of those things have affected the success of the tour. It makes me sick to write it, but it's the truth.
This tour will absolutely run out of steam, because it is overpriced, stadiums suck, the novelty will wear off, the concert market is flooded and GNR as a band isn't culturally relevant anymore. I don't think Izzy and Steven figure into that equation much. I don't even think that new material matters. We love to say that "they will need new music to keep touring" but do they? Most people in those stadiums don't care about new music. The Stones put on great shows that people love, but any song released after 1981 is a piss break. And people don't actually buy music now. There's no money in it for them, even if Izzy did contribute some songwriting magic. The tour will peter out and, having already made millions, I don't think it will matter much to S/D/A.
I know "cash grab" is a triggering term at this point, so I will just say that GNR is no longer a band that happens to make a lot of money, it's a corporate entity that happens to play music sometimes. And some of us are cool with that (be happy with what you get!) and some people, like me, are sickened by it. But it is what it is and I don't think it's likely to change.
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6 minutes ago, RussTCB said:I don't mean to call anyone out but I'm going to anyway lol: I think users like @Tom-Ass, @RONIN and our old friend @magisme have valid points. Do they sometimes go too far?? Oh, of course, but don't we all? We're all passionate about this band. I really believe that no one comes here just to make negative comments. I think most users want and wish the best for GN'R all of the time. However, they're let down consistently one way or the other by the band and they get frustrated. Allowed everyone to vent their frustration is just part of the service we (read: @downzy) allow here, so overall there's no harm in it.
This is really a perfect way to put it. I honestly think all the Steven threads are the absolute perfect illustration of it. If there is any single issue on these boards that is going to cause a ruckus with hardcore fans it is the issue of why the AFD 5 aren't on that stage together right now. And shouldn't it be? Who is GNR? What is GNR? When you think of this band who do you think of? Of course that subject is going to dominate around here. It's so much more important then what you think of Melissa's hair or why Axl doesn't sound the same way he did in 1988. I don't mind all the passion about it because it deserves attention and you can see the love people have for this band coming from all sides of the equation. Yes, sometimes the speculation veers off wildly, but frankly that's all we have. That's all they have given us. They don't owe us an explanation, and it wouldn't quell the unhappiness but an explanation would put some of the wild theories to rest.
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Ranking of Izzy's songs broken down by albums / currently 'Miami'
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