beautifulanddamned

I used to be in the club but it's not worth the money, really. You can score better tickets outside of the club. The boards suck.  Admittedly the swag is better this year than in previous years, but still. This is not a band that tends to cater to it's biggest, long term fans, it's fan club is a symptom of that.

Good luck @Fourteenbeers!

@Archtop I watched that show when I was home sick with the flu, and I still feel like maybe it was a fever dream. 

What sticks out to me was the fakeness of it. I doubt any of those women even knew each other or they knew each other in that fake *kisses* Los Angeles way. That's reality TV, though. Also that whole "rock chick" aesthetic is a horrible one. They all morph into the same lady after a while. 

Duff...didn't want it.

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What was the most embarrassing part about being involved in Married to Rock?

The whole thing. But you know what? My wife has been there for me through a lot of shit. She got the opportunity to do that show, and I was like, “How much do you want me in the fuckin’ show?” cause I live with three girls, and it was very present in our house. I fuckin’ hate it, well I don’t hate anything … It’s just not my thing. But I love my wife, and she was excited about doing it. So I don’t think I was really embarrassed, but they wanted me to do all kinds of stuff that wasn’t me, like her and I getting in a fake fight. They were like, “Get in a fake fight about finding a new house”, and I was like, “That is such fuckin bullshit, I won’t do it.” Marriage is hard enough without getting in a fake fight on TV, you know? And I couldn’t fake fight, I couldn’t do it. But the girls got to wear all fancy clothes and we got the makeup people and stuff so that made them happy for a while.

29 minutes ago, Kris_1989 said:

 

 

Izzy. Listen. You can't cut your bangs straight across.  You gotta cut up into those bastards. I learned that while drinking wine and watching YouTube tutorials and cutting my own hair, so I think I'm an expert. 

Besides the "rock icon" ridiculousness, and actually going to Izzy's house and putting something in his mailbox (awful) , Art also wrote a piece on Sky Ferreira that was super creepy and LA Weekly actually had to apologize for it.  

I'm sure Izzy has been inundated with interview requests since his tweet storm last year.  He's just uncomfortable with that shit. And I think he doesn't want to talk about the drugs or that lifestyle which unfortunately would come up in an AFD piece when talking about Mr. Brownstone or even Nightrain or Anything Goes.  I don't blame him.

6 hours ago, Archtop said:

For those of you who don't venture into D&N, there is a good thread going on right now rating Izzy 's guitar playing. 

Dont know how to post a link to it, but I love that @RONIN keeps Izzy alive in the main section. 

And it hasn't devolved yet into "BE HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU'VE GOT" so get there while you can.  

4 hours ago, Darkenchantress said:

THIS. His Izzy posts are always great! Also, I'd love to know who are the four people who voted the last two options 

I'm convinced it's Fortus, himself. Voting from a bunch of random hotel computers. 

"Sir, what are you doing behind the front desk? You have to have a shirt on in the lobby."

4 hours ago, Tori72 said:

Do you guys thing they'll continue selling out stadiums? After seeing the "reunion" and no new songs, why would so many people still wanna come? Except die hard fans like you, of course. But stadiums? 

(I wouldn't wanna go a second time if there's nothing new - or Izzy.)

I think we are in for a good long break after November. Axl back with AC/DC, Slash back with Myles, Duff playing in his new mansions and promoting his "it" girls full time. 

They might reconvene for the occasional festival- that's where the money is. No money in new music. Even if there was, there's no way Axl and Slash would sit in a room together and jam through some ideas. I don't believe their relationship is that comfortable no matter how many times Axl rubs against Slash onstage. I also think Richard and Frank's status has been lowered even within the band itself. Slash and Duff are probably not chomping at the bit to create something with the great Richard Fortus. They are a great touring band, but I doubt they are functional enough to create something together. The most we would get is a CD leftover with Slash adding something to it. But they have little incentive to do even that.

I would think there would be a time when they couldn't fill up stadiums anymore, unless they are truly becoming like the Stones, and their status and the nostalgia factor keeps propelling people to go. Frankly, at the start of last year I thought they were crazy to think they could sell out all of these shows with no Izzy/Steven and no interviews or promotion, so what do I know?

22 minutes ago, Kris_1989 said:

That still doesn't explain why he doesn't do a one off show in LA every once in a blue moon.

That's true. That would be amazing. God knows the core members of his band would do it and probably welcome the exposure. But I think even that- committing to a date, negotiating with a club, gathering the band, choosing a setlist, rehearsing, deciding how to publicize it... I just don't think he wants to work that hard.  He just wants to show up. If and when he wants. No commitments.  

God knows the core members of his band would do it and probably welcome the exposure. 

2 minutes ago, Archtop said:

I really thought with his flurry of activity last year he might be gearing upto something. Maybe he was to some extent testing the water, or just saying "Hello" I exist,  in the wake of the regrouping? 

I think he was just kicking up dust because of the GnR situation. We were lucky to get 4 songs out of it.  I'll be stupidly hoping for an Izzy appearance until the end of this tour because I honestly think that (or possibly a one-off with Aerosmith) is the only way we will ever see him live again. 

Honestly the whole point of a message board is to hear other people's opinions and viewpoints- it's supposed to be weird and messy, that's what makes it fun.  Who cares what anyone (including Izzy) thinks? I admit I've only been checking this thread very sporadically for the last few months, but what the hell is going on? A war with the women's thread? I'm so confused right now.

29 minutes ago, Archtop said:

ISo around 2004, The Johnny Thunders gig, New York Dolls and VR, and in the same year Izzy puts his albums on ITunes, looks like he was really trying to work out what direction to go as a muscian? 

He was also shopping around for a record deal around this time. Makes sense. He was in his early 40's which is a time of self reevaluation for a lot of people. He was also going through an extremely prolific period as an artist. Between 2005 and 2010 he would do six albums.  Six!  Unfortunately, since he'd last dealt with the business shit in 1998, the record industry as he knew it collapsed.  The internet opened it's giant maw and ate it. In order to be even a small time artist with a label you have to do lots of publicity, have a social media presence and tour. It's a lot of work. I love that he is willing to share his music with us in any way we can get it. I do wish more than anything that he would have done a few solo shows during that period. Or during this period. But if you don't have a label and management to help you than touring isn't really worth it.  

Mr. BeautifulandDamned says being an Izzy fan is what ghosthunting must feel like. You sit around waiting for minimum contact before he recedes into the mist again.

I'm excited, but my experience at the Metallica show last year is making me a little nervous. The sound was...not great. Of course I was far away and I'm close for this one. And Metallica's sound is it's own special breed of noise. I'm assuming the ushers actually know their way around the stadium now which should help with the incidentals.

According to the book, there was talk about doing more shows, but only talk at that time. Izzy was only signed on for that one show. Arthur Kane would die of cancer in July of 2004, 22 days after the festival. The Dolls did regroup in 2006 and tour extensively between then and 2011, but that appears to be separate thing.

9 minutes ago, Archtop said:

  Izzy definantly gets a bad rapp on rehearsing, and effort he puts into learning material wonder what that's about? 

 

There's fire under that smoke. Izzy wants to do what he wants to do when he wants to do it and when it's over for him it's over. I think the minute something stops being fun for him it's finished. Take it or leave it. 

Must be nice to be able to live your life that way. Jealous.

3 minutes ago, Tori72 said:

That is NEWS to me. How interesting! When was that, before or after GnR? Why would he not rehearse. He even rehearsed with GnR in 1993, i just saw a foto today with that caption. Izzy worshipped Jonny Thunders and really looked like him before GnR days. Why was he not more excited to work and rehearse with them? Maybe @downliner knows something about this too? 

It was for their reunion show at the Meltdown Festival in 2004. I'm sure the offer was as flattering as it was daunting to him. He was the perfect choice and it would have been interesting to see what he would have brought to the band. Sigh.

5 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Well, tbh, they were never anti-capitalist or a music collective distributing their music and doing gigs for free In fact, all popular music is a commodity and part of the capitalist economy with the exception of some small DIY bands.

This. They were always hustlers.  But it used to be balanced out with group camaraderie and a creative spark.  

2 hours ago, AlexC said:

Problem is though, with the amount of views that fan footage YouTube videos get these days, all it takes is one bad show and that's it. Not even that, one bad song from an otherwise great show would do it. However many thousands of casuals or even millions happened to watch it, that's their opinion formed. You can't escape it now like the old days.

And the only thing they're being compared to from years ago is a few pro shots. All the bad shows of the past are forgotten. So no matter how great Axl may sound, there'll always be critics. He'll never escape it.

Look how many views "The Axl Rose Disaster" videos get, compared with brilliant performance videos. It's not fair but it's just the way it is these days unfortunately.

But who really cares at this point? Now is the time to do it. The contracts have been signed, tickets sold, money made. It's all coming to an end this year. The fat memes and disaster videos have been around for years and it hasn't stopped the tour from being successful. The line-up hasn't stopped the tour from being successful. And this is just how Axl sounds now. It is what it is. Very few people seem to give a shit.  The only thing that matters to the 99% is that Axl and Slash are on that stage together.  And they are almost to the finish line.

11 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Does anybody have any theory as to why they would do an AFD celebration show in NY? 

How strange to not do this in LA - unless of course it is just a part of the current tour. 

Did they record AFD there? I cant remember. 

Most of it was done at Rumbo in CA but the final mixing and overdubs were done in NYC. The infamous Adrianna overdubs, for example, were done in NYC. Still weird, though. I'm sure it came down to what kind of deal was going to make the most money.

Of all the GnR things to do, having an invite only show with no cameras allowed to celebrate AFD would be the GnRiest.  

If Izzy and/or Steven are there, we are way more likely to get appearances by one or both of them during the remainder of the tour, since we know they would be getting along at least to some extent with the band and the money element has been worked out.  At least there would be a good chance we would see one or both of them at the closing shows in CA before this whole thing comes to an end.

But it's GnR so maybe this will only be a special experience for Kate Hudson and her buddies.

Still weird to see him be so calm cool and collected about these things. "We want everyone to have a great time..." Truly an Elder Statesman now.