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10 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:
Btw is it true tht Slash will taking break from GN'R for while to working with SMKC?
Rumor is that Slash and Duff are signed to a two-year contract with GNR. I would expect a very lengthy break starting in 2018. I wonder if Duff and Slash will be able to talk about the NITL tour once the contract expires? So weird to have such a prolonged silence from Slash in particular.
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Wonderful reviews and pics. I know it's been said a lot, but it's great to see Axl so lighthearted. Just nice to know that it's never too late to find happiness and peace of mind.
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1 minute ago, Kris_1989 said:
Not gonna lie... I kinda had my hopes up that Izzy would turn up in Madrid.
I swear, I'll never learn. Or give up hope apparently. lol
I'm weaning myself off all things GnR but this is the one show I was really hoping he would show up for just for the sake of @Darkenchantress, so I've been watching and
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2 minutes ago, Darkenchantress said:
I wish Izzy tweeted something like this as he did with "speculation" back in the day. It would be awesome.
Sorry, because the pic is, indeed, huge.
I'll probably end up going, mainly because I plan to meet some people there I haven't seen in ages and some internet friends I haven't even met in person, but the truth is I know and I'm sure that I'm gonna feel such second hand embarrassment watching the pokemon jumping up and down, Fortus flashing his boobs and don't even get me started with that drummer who can't drum at all. And all this knowing that Steven and Izzy wanted to be there, is gonna hurt a lot.
Hope is dead, making fun of Fortus's man-boobs is forever.
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33 minutes ago, Team RamRod said:
Does anybody think that this may be the end of the Slash/Duff reunion era? Last shows are in L.A....where it all began.
Weren't there rumors that Slash and Duff were signed to a 2 year contract with this band? If so, it would make sense. They'll do as many shows as possible this year and get their creative rocks off doing solo stuff next year. Hopefully the gag order will be lifted, and Slash won't be forever mute.
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There were several "insiders" who warned us about this way back in early 2016. That this was simply a continuation of NUGNR with Slash and Duff dropped into open slots. Everything would be the same except the size of the venues. Clearly, Axl wants it this way and they've got a tamed beast right now. No one's going to poke the bear and risk the money.
It's truly fucked up that Duff and Slash can't give an interview. That fan communication would go such a long way. I don't blame them for not getting involved with any forums- that way lies madness- but an interview? Are things so terrible on the inside that they can't have any transparency with the fans whatsoever? What are they afraid of?
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I think at first the whole big hair and makeup thing had a Hanoi Rocks, New York Dolls slightly punk-y image that probably appealed to them as young up-and-comers. Then MTV hit big. Hair/Glam Metal was uniquely suited to that visual genre- and it started to seem corporate and banal. Plus Poison vs GNR was a real thing on the Strip in those years. They would have wanted to differentiate themselves from that shit.
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Me and Mr. BaD are watching our nieces for the week and... I swear to God. What the hell is with Frozen? What kind of psychotic kiddie drug is this shit? What a terrible fucking movie! Why doesn't everyone just move south? What's up with the asshole parents? Don't even get me started on those fucking trolls. THAT SONG. We've watched this movie 6 times in 4 days.
8:00 this morning:
3 year old: Can we watch Frozen again?
Mr. BaD: NO!
3 year old: WHY NOT!!!???
Mr. BaD: This is my safe place. This is my home.
3 year old: PLEASE!!! I miss my Mommy!!!
Mr. BaD:Breeders of the world? You have my respect. I can't live like this. Also? #TeamTangled
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That interview with Jason sounded like every interview with Izzy during the Ju Ju Hounds era.
Shit like that might come off as sour grapes, but it's not untrue.
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The attack was so sick. I'm sure the whole concert industry is in chaos right now.
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6 minutes ago, Kris_1989 said:
Yeah, I was thinking they will easily be 2k+ for anything remotely close to the floor. Floor will be even worse. Just look at U2's prices, I looked at their show in Santa Clara and for practically nosebleed seats it was $1100. AFD5 will be just as bad or worse.
There would probably be very few tickets to actually buy-at least good tickets. If they announced one or two shows in LA those shows would be chock full of celebrities and industry people and their various hangers-on. Plus all the band's families and hangers-on. Plus the rented out models. If AFD5 happens we just have to pray that there is 1 person there who is close to the stage, who becomes possessed enough with the spirit of Izzy to keep their camera on him the whole night and then posts the video. Better then nothing.
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A medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged. The meaning of forum. For the life of me, I'll never understand the idea that everyone on the forum (or on any particular thread) should have the exact same ideas and views on every damn subject. What's fun or interesting about that? Discussing opposing viewpoints should be enjoyable and engaging. Complaining about how people have the nerve to disagree with your viewpoint is condescending and goes against the very nature of a forum in the first place. People are so strange.
I've blown my Izzy rage wad so many times in the past year that I can't get too worked up about the video. They're selling what they've got. They literally can't mention any other member because then they would have to acknowledge the convoluted, jacked up history of GNR and all it's members- and that is the fault of one Axl Rose. So they're playing it safe. I can't blame the PR people for that. The timing of it is insensitive, yes.
I still think that we will see at least one show "featuring" Izzy and Steven. Steven said that Fernando "had some cool things planned" for the anniversary. I don't know that Steven would be big enough to say that if he didn't think he would be involved in some way. Then, on March 1, the Rolling Stone interview with Steven dropped where he said he could no longer talk about GNR (after several weeks talking about GNR) and he couldn't say why. About a week later, Izzy randomly thanked the forum for all the support and has been virtually silent since then. Duff wished Izzy happy birthday on twitter, which he didn't do last year so I think that's significant. A show or shows in LA? Somethings up. And they are at a point in this venture where negotiations with Izzy could be a little more clear-cut.
I know this: if Steven and Izzy get up and play a little AFD this summer, Fortus better have the decency to leave the stage for those songs. Melissa and probably Dizzy too. Just those five. At least once.
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It's not a video about the history of GNR. Just Axl, Slash and Duff's history in the band. It would be different if even Fortus and Frank were mentioned, but they weren't because it's not about any other members. The worst thing you can say about it is that it's slightly tone deaf coming at the start of a summer where fans are looking forward to some celebration of the anniversary of AFD, and the acknowledgement of the AFD5.
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17 minutes ago, Frey said:
If you think Nikki Sixx is nice, you clearly haven't heard much about him. Nothing about that creep is nice. He is a gross asshole of the highest order and makes the idiots in GNR look like sweet little choire boys by comparison.
All you have to do is read The Dirt to know what disgusting, degenerate assholes they were. The book literally opens with Nikki Sixx and Tommy Lee raping some girl in a closet.
I don't know how anyone can not hate the members of Motley after reading that book. And yet the book itself is great. Having the book take the form of alternating oral histories from the band members was genius. It kind of revels in the fact that all of these guys are unreliable narrators. Nikki's The Heroin Diaries is not saved by being a great book written by a horrible person, although Guns and Izzy are mentioned more in that book than in The Dirt. But it's a piece of shit. Andy's book is okay, but only if you are super into Hanoi Rocks and artsy/gypsy/druggie mumbo jumbo. It's not especially well written. There's very little about Izzy or Guns, the biggest thing is the Erin thing which is 2 or three pages. Adler's book is...frustrating. It's hard not to be frustrated with him. Not well written. It is a very good look inside Adler's brain and all that entails, however. You will get some,uh, choice stories about Izzy.
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41 minutes ago, Archtop said:
I have trouble over the time line, if Steven at this point was still in the band and he was fired 1990 , Angela says she was living with Andy at this point so she must have dated Izzy much earlier than I supposed. SCOM was made in 1988 she was around then, she was on the plane when he got arrested 1989 but they must have gone their separate ways befor he got sober 1991?
Izzy and Angela started dating in late 1986 or early 1987. They broke up in October 1989. Angela hooked up with Andy almost immediately. Izzy got sober in December 1989. According to Mick Wall, Adler was fired in early 1990 but reinstated after signing a contract where he promised to stop taking drugs. The Farm Aid performance in April of 1990 was Izzy's first sober performance and Adler's last performance. Angela and Andy moved into the house next to Steven's in June of 1990. Adler was officially fired from the band on July 11th 1990. Probably not coincidentally.
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3 minutes ago, Tori72 said:
This. Especially the bolded but all of this. Pretty upsetting how common and usual sexual assault and rape were, same seems to go for overdosing and suicide attempts.
Also Axl. He only threw Steven out of the band but was to shallow to get the police investigate on the rape possibility? What kind of boyfriend is he?
We gotta remember that Axl also had rape charges in his past. What kinds of things did Steven witness Axl doing in the Gardner Street unit? If there had been an investigation and things had ended up in court, none of those guys would have come out alive. They were all mired in shit.
According to Erin herself, she was sexually, verbally and physically assaulted by Axl. And it was a fight with Axl that started the whole thing. Much easier to kick Steven out for being unable to play then to open a can of worms.
I find that whole scene to be so fascinating, but thank god it died an inglorious death.
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37 minutes ago, NicDwolfwood said:http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?action=printpage;topic=18521.0
There are two sides to the story. Steven's version and the McCoy's version. Its a bit sketchy to believe either side really. all parties involved were fucking around with drugs. Only person who could clear up who's telling the truth would be Erin herself.
I wish the details were a bit more clear, with dates and all. but very few details exist anywhere online. What is clear to me is that Apparently Erin and Axl got into a fight and in her hysterics either went to hang with Angela..or Steven Adler. I dont see her going to Adler before Angela. she was more likely to have a relationship with Angela McCoy, than Steven Adler in my mind atleast.
In the book (which is from Andy's perspective, not Angela's of course) Andy says that Erin came over to their house, hysterical and told them she wanted to commit suicide and that she was going to drive off the cliff on Mullholland Drive but chickened out. She asks for drugs. Andy said Erin was just"vying for attention" and Angela told Erin to "shut up, already." Because all of these people are just incredibly nice and thoughtful. So Erin leaves but at some point Angela and Andy notice that her jeep is still parked in front of their house. So Angela tells Andy to go see if she's at Steven's. He does, and finds Erin unconscious in the bedroom, pants down. He tells Steven to call an ambulance but Steven, who isn't in great shape, won't. So instead of calling an ambulance himself, Andy calls Angela and tells her to do so. Why? Who the hell knows? Andy then does some shit to "save" Erin like banging on her chest, pouring coffee in her mouth and praying to the patron angel of gypsies. Then Angela shows up with a friend who is also a neighbor. Where this friend comes in I'm not sure. Did she show up at Angela and Andy's after Andy left? Did Angela stop at her house before going to Steven's after Andy called? It' a mystery. Angela does mouth to mouth while Andy pumps her chest. The ambulance arrives, the paramedics take care of Erin and they thank Andy for saving her life. Andy talks to the cops. They also thank him for saving her life. Steven hides in the shower. Later that night, Axl calls to thank Andy.
That's Andy's side. Questions: Why let Erin wander off if she was asking for drugs and threatening to commit suicide? Why didn't Angela go over to Steven's to check on Erin or at least go with Andy since she was Erin's friend? Where did this friend and neighbor come in? He names her in the book, she's an actress, what's her story? Why didn't Andy call an ambulance instead of calling Angela to call an ambulance. He says because he was busy saving Erin's life but that doesn't make sense. When the cops arrived, Andy didn't say "Hey, I found her unconscious with her pants down, you might want to talk to Steven since this is his damn house?" No? No one cared? The cops just let him cower in the bathroom? Plot holes all over the damn place.
One thing's for certain- no matter what the story, nobody here comes off well. Nobody. They were all fuck ups and were probably no strangers to drug overdoses. This includes the police who in that city, in that time period probably saw this shit constantly. Just another day on the job.
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28 minutes ago, Fourteenbeers said:He'll finish out AXL/DC, then retire. Maybe come out of his house to do guest spots with people he likes if he can keep any remnant of his voice and if he can keep his image rehab up. There is no more GNR once Slash leaves (Duff is... whatever). Axl has to know that. Does he want to go back to playing theaters with some rando, trying to sing OTGM at age 65? Ridiculous.
I don't think any of them (I'll include Izzy but exclude Adler in this) get their artistic rocks off with GNR music anymore. I don't think Izzy has some innate artistic desire to get up and play Nightrain to a crowd, ya know? After this A/S/D will have made enough money to support their children (and momager) into old age and can write and play the music they want with the people they want.
I was re-reading parts of Andy McCoy's book with all the Angela talk. She was Johnny Thunders cousin and worked at the Roxy and was very much a part of that whole messy scene. Hung around with a lot of bands, was in several videos. She started dating Izzy in early 1987. She was close to Erin, although Andy implies that Erin was, well, vapid, dumb and easily led (don't tell the women's thread!). She had, uh, relations with Nikki Sixx, he threw her against a wall and because of that, Izzy refused to fly on Motley's private jet with Motley, Slash and Duff, when they all toured together which upset Nikki. She and Andy met for the first time when Izzy took her to Marc Canter's Birthday Party. He met her again at the Roxy while she was still with Izzy and tried to hit on her but she was too fucked up to reciprocate . Angela was with Izzy during the plane incident. She and Izzy broke up right before the Stones concerts in 1989- he was rushing towards sobriety and she was...not. She and Andy got together backstage at one of those concerts. She seemed to hate Steven Adler and the incident with Erin, no matter whose version is the truth, was truly awful.
She is in this Ratt video. It's terrible 1980's style so you've been warned. She shows up for the first time about 1 minute in, girl on the right:
You can also see her swigging a beer and snakey dancing in all black behind the boys at CBGB's on the left. Interestingly, Erin is sitting morosely on the right, not interacting with the others:
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5 minutes ago, Tori72 said:
When was that pic take , does anybody know?
20th anniversary of AFD:
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3 hours ago, cqleonardo said:
I think the AC/DC is more fun for him, he just goes on stage and sings the songs that he grew up on it, Guns envolves more business and stuff...
Yep- there are advantages to being a worker bee sometimes. With great power comes great responsibility and all that shit.
It's good to see him happy and branching out, and I think he finally feels... respected? Appreciated? Which must be nice after all these years.
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6 hours ago, Izzyarg said:
well... i guess you're right. i hope this guy burns in hell... and i hope izzy is not mad about that
Ha! I feel like the fake instagram account is more of a "wow, that's really annoying" offense than a "I hope you burn in hell" kind of offense.
Izzy didn't go to see Axl sing with Billy Joel? Too busy practicing for this summer?
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Boners and fanfic? What in the holy hell is going on in here?
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On 5/6/2017 at 7:24 AM, Cold Jen Time said:
Apparently I can't figure out how to respond to multiple things at once and not double post. SOS! Sorry.
Re: the Steven interview I def need to watch bc a Twitter pal also sent it to me and said "do you think he's on coke?" (I'm currently in my bed pretending to be asleep so my kiddo doesn't demand I get up and make breakfast ... so can't watch now). There was also a FB post last night of him was rehearsing and he looks just super tired and worn down. Eeeeeek. Hope he's ok.
Gah. Let's face it- whether that's cocaine or just Adler adlering that's 90% of the reason he isn't touring with them in even half capacity. His 'unreliable' is not Izzy's 'unreliable.' And Adler would do it for free.
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1 hour ago, killuridols said:
wow
I guess that's the way it was back then and unfortunately, in my country, girls who get drunk or go out at night and are alone, get treated the same, even in 2017 with all the awareness we have about gender violence, gender abuse and so on.
It's the same here. You can't turn the television on without hearing about a fraternity or sports team being suspended because they have been raping drunk girls in a basement or something gross like that.
1 hour ago, Tori72 said:This, both of you. Thanks for telling about the book, @beautifulanddamned. I didn't know that Desi was THAT young! Poor girl, really! 14 and 15 year old girls! ... This is quite sad and upsetting.
Rita Rae Roxx's Once Upon a Rock Star is another book that talks about the scene if anyone is interested. Again, not a good book, per se. But she also talks about the nightly Sunset Strip crowd in the 80's. She also talks about being aged out at 18 (she lost her virginity to Billy Squires on a tour bus a few weeks after her 15th birthday). She talks about sexual assault very casually as well, talks about being raped a couple of times but gives it no more importance than what she was wearing that night. Rita Rae Roxx was a groupie so her book is actually more interesting when it talks about her local concert scene (before she moved to LA). Groupies and bands actually created a really strange, symbiotic, dysfunctional family environment back then. Amy Asbury, who wrote The Sunset Strip Diaries, was not a groupie, she was from LA and the Roxy/Cat House/Troubadour thing was her local "club scene." The book Hard Lessons by Michael Leahy talks about the local LA club scene as well, through the eyes of local kids from a very privileged, preppy high school.
06/20/17 - Gdansk, PL - Stadion Energa Gdansk
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What did Axl just ask? For everyone to move back?