Blackstar

12 minutes ago, Georgina Arriaga said:

From what I understand AND I think the person who he refers as SSHH Is doing the mixing

Sshh is Zak's wife, I think, and they got a band together. He says that he and Sshh have done the production of the whole album, but from what I understand Axl is mixing the track, at least the vocals.

7 minutes ago, JimiRose said:

They cut this cover for sick kids SEVEN YEARS AGO and Axl is still mixing the track? Words fail me. 

I hope that Axl hasn't been mixing his vocals since then

Maybe it was shelved at the time because of that other T-Rex tribute album that was released then and included a cover of the same song by different artists.

But still, it was 2017 and now it's 2024

If I'm not mistaken, Axl (and Caram) mixed his vocals on Rock the Rock, too. It looks like Axl wants to mix his vocals on whatever he sings on himself (or have "his guy" do it). I wouldn't be surprised if the Michael Schenker/UFO (?) song he recorded vocals on is delayed for the same reason.

So it was true then. I guess I owe an apology to the "insiders" and their sources.

I hope it sees the light of the day

It's the first time an induction ceremony takes place, though (I suppose until now the certificates were given during the regular Grammy Awards show), so there will likely be more than giving a certificate. They said there going to be performances, but not who the performers will be.

1 hour ago, janrichmond said:

The 351 shows by Nuguns are over how many years? I know very little about that era but I thought they went years without touring.

2001-2014.

They didn't play a show until 2001, and then the longest period without touring was Dec. 2002 - May 2006. But they played a lot of shows from late 2009 to 2014.

2 hours ago, allwaystired said:

Nothing 'weird and unusual' about it in the slightest. 

A partner can also be an employee, depending on what setup they have. And we don't know what setup they do have. 

https://www.foxwilliams.com/2017/02/28/status-symbols-what-factors-will-decide-whether-your-partners-are-employees/

What this article is referring to, though, are arrangements that are for the benefit of the partner (certain additional benefits a partner has from having the employee status, like compensation etc.). Doesn't have to do with the partner having less rights.

15 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

I suppose my definition of an 'employee' is always someone who works for someone else.....so if they're not equal partners, they are employees really. That's the way I see it, in any business really. Probably not an accurate way of seeing it though, in the legal sense. 

I'd be amazed if it was a continuation of the 1992 agreement. Surely Slash/Duffs management could get them a better deal than that on their business negotiations? 

Your opinion that they're "employees really" is only based on the fact that Slash and Duff can't force Axl to record and release new music, right?

Well, they couldn't do that under the terms of the 1992 partnership, either. (But I think such things are never a provision in partnership agreements anyway. They are a matter of how the dynamics between partners work in real life).

I think that, in the improbable event that Slash left GN'R now or in the near future, it would be the end of GN'R at least in terms of touring. But, since they're all grown men now, the split most likely wouldn't be as ugly as in the mid-90s, so they would probably find a formula to regroup for occasional one-off shows (e.g. at a festival, if they were offered enough money) and, potentially, for vault releases.

So, in terms of releases, there would (potentially) be only archival releases. And that would be the only form the CD era material could be released (as an archival release and not as "new" music by an active band). Because, even in the very unlikely scenario of Axl continuing GN'R as a touring act with a new replacement guitar player for Slash, Axl would "need" to have that guitar player add to the material, and I don't think he would do that at this point.

6 hours ago, ChrisW said:

"This will serve as notice [that] effective [...] Decemeber 30th 1995, I will withdraw from the partnership. [...] I intend to use the name 'Guns N' Roses' in connection with a new group which I will form." (Slash & Duff v. Axl lawsuit document, 2004)

There's ownership of the name (one of the assets) and ownership of other assets.

I don't know what the point of your pasting all of Chinese Whispers is. But if you're interested in knowing more and in more depth about this issue, and have the time and patience to read all the documents:

https://www.a-4-d.com/t8119-2008-01-18-slash-duff-vs-axl-lawsuit-document-other-related-court-documents

https://www.a-4-d.com/t8118-1995-08-31-axl-s-notice-of-resignation-from-the-guns-n-roses-partnership#33949

1 hour ago, ChrisW said:

'I don't have to do what you want and you need my permission to do what you want.'  That's not how partnership works.

Slash and Duff don't have to do what Axl wants either.

3 hours ago, allwaystired said:

Yeah I think he'd probably putting pressure on (same with Duff) but it doesn't seem to have much impact. 

My view on it is Slash is very much an employee, but one which the company knows is valuable and couldn't lose. Fortus is an employee too but more expendable. 

That's just the way it appears to me -it's the Axl brand and show all the way. 

We have this regarding the current official business status of the band:

GNR is a musical group and partnership organized and existing under the laws of the state of California with their principle place of business in Los Angeles, California. GNR’s general partners are W. Axl Rose (“Axl Rose”), Saul Hudson, pka Slash, and Michael McKagan.

https://www.a-4-d.com/t8330-2019-05-09-gn-r-vs-canarchy-craft-brewery-lawsuit-document-related-articles

We also know that Slash and Duff have their own separate management.

18 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

I honestly don't think he's far off- just better paid. The way he refers to GNR are really telling. 

Weren't you speculating the other day that the "CD leftovers" are being released because of pressure from Slash and Duff to Axl? Supposing for a minute that could be true, then the speculation that Slash is at about the same level as an employee would be contradictory. And vice versa. So there can't be truth to both these assumptions at the same time.

But I think neither is true. And regarding the way Slash responds about GN'R, it's just that he isn't comfortable answering these questions, because that's all he can answer knowing very well that there's not such thing as a "concrete plan" when Axl is part of the equation.

48 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Yep. He's being honest about it, but his status when it comes to doing anything seems to be about the same level as Fortus. 

He talks about the band like he's an employee.....which I suppose is pretty much the case now. 

Slash can't force the way Axl operates and it was like that at least since the Illusions era. That doesn't mean that he's the same level as Fortus or an employee.

5 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

Thanks! I know the person I sent it to doesn't have facebook but hopefully he can still watch it. 

Also try this one (it's a direct link to the twitter video):

https://tinyurl.com/4sz5347s

2 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

Yeah read this earlier. It's vague, Slash's foreseeable future would need Legolas eyesight😄

The takeaway here is that it's not a priority, but they are not opposed to doing a record. Basically don't hold your breath.

It can't not be vague, because Slash knows better that it's not predictable when Axl finishes (or starts) doing something, what mood he's in at a given time, whether he changes his mind, etc.

Another new interview with Slash, talking about the blues album and SMKC (posted it also in the new album thread, because he was asked about GN'R, too):

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/2024/03/25/slash-i-always-enjoy-coming-to-dublin-it-is-exciting-when-it-is-the-first-gig-on-the-run/

22 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

Yeah I get that HOF thing. Just wondering which video they awarded over NR in this category back then.

R.E.M's Losing My Religion - November Rain wasn't even nominated:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Award_for_Best_Music_Video

(Tbh, I would probably vote for that one over NR, too)

EDIT: I should have looked at the awards in 1993 (which were for recordings/videos from 1992), so it was Peter Gabriel's Digging In The Dirt (NR was still not nominated) - I would have voted for that one over NR, too

1 minute ago, Free Bird said:

Is there a category best music video?

There is, in the annual Grammy Awards.

But this is the Grammy Hall Of Fame, which is something like the RRHOF, but for recordings irrespective of genre (so artists are not inducted as such, but through specific recordings, albums, singles or tracks).

The Grammy's have always been a corporate and very conservative institution (worse than the Oscars), always too late (if ever) to acknowledge and embrace artists and currents that were innovative or "it" in their time. For example, seeing the full list of all recordings inducted into the Grammy Hall Of Fame since 1973, punk is represented only by the three+1 albums (The Ramones, The Sex Pistols, London Calling by The Clash + Patti Smith, if that counts).

https://www.grammy.com/awards/hall-of-fame-award

That said, most of the recordings in this list that I'm familiar with are masterpieces. And considering that this is a "hall of fame" for recordings from all genres of music (classical, jazz, film music, original casts, pop, etc.) and the only other hard rock artists in it are Led Zeppelin (two albums and two singles), AC/DC (Back In Black album), Aerosmith (two singles) and Alice Cooper (School's Out single) - also Nirvana's Nevermind album and Smells Like Teen Spirit single, and Pearl Jam's Ten album (if these count) - this induction is something. Kind of surprising that SCOM hasn't already been inducted as a single before the album, but it most likely will be in there eventually, as well as November Rain.

II think 4 songs wouldn't be enough, so I'd make it a 5-song EP (edit: no, 6 songs, actually):

1. It's So Easy

2. Nightrain

3. You're Crazy (Lies)

4. Civil War

5. Estranged

6. Locomotive

20 minutes ago, We love Axl Rose said:

Was there an official band photographer during the 2002 tour? 

@Blackstar 

The pictures from that tour were by George Chin, who was also one of the photographers during the UYI tour (besides Robert John and Gene Kirkland). George Chin was also the photographer on the 2006 tour.