Ali

How can Axl scoff at the validity of the RRHOF and then accept this lifetime personal achievement award?

picking up a life time achievement award and then doing things on your own terms is a lot different than going to an institution where you call no shots and have to pay thousands of dollars just to have your friends and family come to YOUR induction, big difference IMO.

Riiiight. And one pays tribute to an indivdual and the other pays tribute to a guy who wishes we'd all forget. Axl is a hypocrit plain and simple.

he had a problem with the rock n roll hall of fame specifically, not every organization giving out awards, big difference.

Agreed. Clearly Axl is not the only one who's ever had an issue with the RRHOF, as the Kiss situation recently shows.

Ali

Tommy said he would return at Bethlehem -inb4tommyisarockgod - so I expected this.

It's essentially Axl running his own version of the Rock Hall; except only he is being honoured. That will make certain people very mad - but I personally find it typically Axl, and awesome.

Ali

It is not common for a band to write everything together; for Iron Maiden it's Steve Harris, for AC/DC it's the Young brothers, the rest just comes in when the material is written...

Maybe that mode of songwriting operation is more common with younger bands. But, when you have grown men with their own families and other responsibilities, I think hanging together and jamming may not be as likely.

Just IMO.

Ali

Or maybe it's not band related?

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Oh, finally I think he's hinting at the obvious - the countdown ending at the end of the residency made it pretty clear in my books. More power to him.

He came in, tried his best to release and write music but it's not his fault that Axl is such a fkn pussy, a diva, a has been. I'm sorry for the guy, but I'm sure he tried his best.

Ali

His latest tweet:

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This is his latest tweet:

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Cool pics:

Edit: from user Havick at perfect crime forum.

I love that picture of Axl and Duff with Axl wearing that hat!!

Ali

I disagree. I think Corell's voice has changed a lot. Like Axl he has lost that immense power in the highest register which he demonstrated so frequently on Badmotorfinger and earlier records. That being said, he hasn't lost his raspy voice and he has gained a lot more control in the lower register.

EDIT: And I don't think anyone necessarily did anything wrong or right. How a voice ages is to SOME extent beyond one's control.

EDIT2: If you compare the studio version of Say Hello 2 Heaven with the live recording from 2011 he goes way higher during the ending choruses.

I think Cornell's voice has changed, too, tonally and in terms of absolute range. But, it was getting really rough and abrasive during the Audioslave days. He made a wise decision by quitting smoking.

I think Axl's singing, especially during the UYI era, was much more abrasive and hard on his vocal chords. Consequently, he may have to be more careful, using his head voice more, and be cognizant of singing with a "open throat" so he doesn't add too much more wear and tear on his vocal chords.

That being said, I've enjoyed the two Soundgarden shows I've seen in recent years immensely and will continue to go see them, including this summer. Same thing GN'R.

Ali

I find it entertaining how so many here automatically believe that what Axl said was directed to anyone here as if the whole world consist of only Axl and mygnrforum disregarding all the feedback from fans across the world that is transferred to Axl via other channels, including Facebook comments, people who talk to the management and other band members, commentaries in magazines, media, other forums, etc. Get over yourselves

I tend to agree. I don't see why people are taking this so personally. At first, I wondered if he actually mentioned MyGNR. But, he didn't.

Ali

"Until next time" doesn't mean goodbye though. It means thanks for this time (south american tour) and be good until next time. That's how I read it anyways.

Plus GN'R is booked for Vegas soon. Ron's not going anywhere.

Vegas yes but South America again after that?

Maybe not right after, but he's saying goodbye to the SA fans until next time he sees them.

I read this and thought that this was more of an apology without actually saying he's sorry for not having " been the best version of myself, on & off stage".

That's all.

I think it is actually pretty positive.

Ali

it sounds like he's singing with more technique, abandoning the rasp, all in an effort to not ruin his voice any further. but on certain songs it just doesn't sound good (to me) because i'm so used to the rasp, and i've always liked axl's voice and its changes over the years, but i have to admit i just prefer that deep rasp he had in his prime. but it's a moot point to complain about it nowadays.

I kinda agree with this. The rasp works by masquerading the overly thin voice he has in the upper register, which I don't like that much. By adding rasp it becomes fuller and, of course, more aggressive. But I know plenty of people back in the days who never could get into GN'R because of his signature raspy voice. Perhaps they will enjoy the band more now?

I understand what you're saying. But, in general, I don't think someone's head voice will ever sound as full and rich as their chest voice.

Ali

Civil war

Axl looks a little skinny around the face here..maybe a good angle. I have nothing nice to say about the vocals...just a little too clean for me.

Attitude

Axl making Replacement jokes also.

Axl better watch it, or that one guy on this forum will give him shit for stealing his joke.

it's gotta be impossible for axl NOT to notice the huge reaction duff's name gets during that intro.

like i said in another thread, i love tommy and would have loved to see him get his dues with the band in terms of new material etc., but there's something really satisfying about seeing duff playing those old songs again.

Except for the lack of rasp, which many find to be an acquired taste, his singing is good.

I agree. The raspy tone has always been an acquired taste, in general.

Ali

i pretty much agree. it sounds to me - and i've always thought this - that he had vocal coaching in order to preserve his voice. that's why he sang with the full-on mickey in 2002. people complained, so i think he tried to bring the rasp back a bit in '06, with more of a balance. and then in 2010 maybe he got a little too cocky with it and it damaged his voice again.

it sounds like he's singing with more technique, abandoning the rasp, all in an effort to not ruin his voice any further. but on certain songs it just doesn't sound good (to me) because i'm so used to the rasp, and i've always liked axl's voice and its changes over the years, but i have to admit i just prefer that deep rasp he had in his prime. but it's a moot point to complain about it nowadays.

I understand. I really do understand that people have a preference because of what tone they first fell in love with. I'm different in that the voice that I first heard was on Appetite, and that to me is minimally raspy. The raspiness I heard in the early 90's sounded more pronounced than the late 80's bootlegs I have, and got to the point of being somewhat abrasive, even to me. This is based off of the Tokyo '92, and Paris '92 live shows, as well as the one I saw in '92. More casual GN'R fans I knew did not seem all that enamored with raspy vocal tone in the early 90's, despite liking the songs themselves. That's why I agree with the notion of that tone being an acquired taste.

Ali

Except for the lack of rasp, which many find to be an acquired taste, his singing is good.

I agree. The raspy tone has always been an acquired taste, in general.

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http://youtu.be/FWVcqp2BZ50

Better

Ali

That's true, good point. I'm still curious as to the source of the stress though (the accident, health issues, something pertaining to GnR, etc).

Ali

And now this:

https://twitter.com/bumblefoot/status/452223715573776384

I don't understand why writing songs would make him feel that way? Something's amiss here. I wish he would elaborate.

Ali

@ alicker and facekicker

Team Brazil could have simply given duff some stipulations on what is and isn't ok to talk about over the phone but the simple fact that they chose to pull the plug on this completely almost shows a lack of trust in duff, and definitely a lack of experience in utilizing such an opportunity to promote these shows with duff.

I agree with the lack of experience comment.

That was an example of exactly what I was saying. Criticism of their decision-making is possible without the invective.

Ali

Yeah...and? Are you their fucking babysitter or something? Invective? If the management of Guns N Roses can't handle a bit of invective on the internet then they're in THE WRONG FUCKING JOB.

I'm not arguing about whether or not they can handle it. I actually agree that being a public or quasi-public figure can lead to having to deal with this sort of thing.

I'm just saying it's not necessary to begin with and the post I cited was an example of how I think it can be done.

Ali

@ alicker and facekicker

Team Brazil could have simply given duff some stipulations on what is and isn't ok to talk about over the phone but the simple fact that they chose to pull the plug on this completely almost shows a lack of trust in duff, and definitely a lack of experience in utilizing such an opportunity to promote these shows with duff.

I agree with the lack of experience comment.

That was an example of exactly what I was saying. Criticism of their decision-making is possible without the invective.

Ali

You earn respect. If you fuck up time and time again and can't handle the heat then get the fuck out of the kitchen.

I think that respect is earned, yes. But, you can separate the person from their job and separate the criticisms accordingly.

Ali

Maybe people will be professional in their criticism when Team Brazil learns/decides to be professional in their management.

You're only proving my point. You don't like the way they do their job, then criticize that. It is possible to do that without the over the top insults and attacks.

Ali

"The management didn't know that Duff would do an interview. When they found out, they canceled."

Typical TB.

The entire Lebeis family is a pox on the face of humanity.

I can understand the criticism that Team Brazil is an inexperienced management team and therefore may not be best suited to helping GN'R. There are counterarguments to that, such as the fact that they may be less likely to push for a reunion, and other reasons as well.

But, you can make that point without this over the top rhetoric. You can criticize them professionally without making these over the top personal attacks.

Ali

I love how the apologists LOVE the word Maybe. Seriously, it's the new "agenda". Specially Jarmo.

What you're doing is speculating that it's the fault of the satanic Team Brazil, how is my speculation less credible?

As an outsider, I will speculate that the answer is that it doesn't fit a preferred narrative

Ali

From an interview I just did... "I'm very focused on my next Bumblefoot album, I've experienced a lot of pleasure and pain in the past few years, and my best songs are coming from it all. When I'm writing music or performing, emotions are always at the surface, good and bad, which I think can be hard on the people around me, including fans (especially if I'm anywhere near twitter, apologies for any occasional lashing out...!) But this is part of what it takes to give your all musically. It's not always rainbows and unicorns - it's as real as it gets. I hope people will be understanding of this, they're not going to get political bullshit with me, they get the better and the worse. If you want real music, it has to come from every part of you. I try my best not to drag people into my personal darkness, but sometimes you can't help it when it's the only place you're at. All we can do is keep trying to be stronger than the things that break us."

The bold and italicized part really stuck out to me. He's admitting that he's been through a lot and has a lot of ups and downs he's been going through and that he does lash out on twitter as a result.

He's not directly connecting this statement to the previous tweet, but it is possible, I suppose, that he made a point of highlighting this passage from the interview he just did because of that previous tweet.

Ali

Yeah, that's why I decided to share it.

Glad you did. I'm of the opinion that it may have been one of those situations where he was in a bad mood and just lashed out, like he's done in the past, but it may not ultimately result in anything or mean anything in the grand scheme of things. I suppose we'll see.

Ali

One thing is to deal with Axl´s rants and his press releases. And another is to have to deal with BBF rants on twitter. He is always bitchin´and moaning saying a lot thing and saying a lot of innuendo at the same time. We have been dealing with this crap for years. I really wonder if he ever tried hard enough to fix whatever issues he has with the band. And then for whatever reason he couldn´t and he is frustrated. Or on the other hand if he is just being a drama queen/attention whore and nothing really serious is going on. In any case I´m running out of patience with this guy.

None of us can know what was bothering him. It may have been issues with GN'R, it may have been personal issues, or a combination of both.

I think what's problematic is how he handles it. He even admits " I think can be hard on the people around me, including fans (especially if I'm anywhere near twitter, apologies for any occasional lashing out...!) ". It's up to him to decide if it's problematic enough for him to change how expresses himself. Or, at least, whether or not he does so publicly.

Ali

From an interview I just did... "I'm very focused on my next Bumblefoot album, I've experienced a lot of pleasure and pain in the past few years, and my best songs are coming from it all. When I'm writing music or performing, emotions are always at the surface, good and bad, which I think can be hard on the people around me, including fans (especially if I'm anywhere near twitter, apologies for any occasional lashing out...!) But this is part of what it takes to give your all musically. It's not always rainbows and unicorns - it's as real as it gets. I hope people will be understanding of this, they're not going to get political bullshit with me, they get the better and the worse. If you want real music, it has to come from every part of you. I try my best not to drag people into my personal darkness, but sometimes you can't help it when it's the only place you're at. All we can do is keep trying to be stronger than the things that break us."

The bold and italicized part really stuck out to me. He's admitting that he's been through a lot and has a lot of ups and downs he's been going through and that he does lash out on twitter as a result.

He's not directly connecting this statement to the previous tweet, but it is possible, I suppose, that he made a point of highlighting this passage from the interview he just did because of that previous tweet.

Ali

Yeah, that's why I decided to share it.

Glad you did. I'm of the opinion that it may have been one of those situations where he was in a bad mood and just lashed out, like he's done in the past, but it may not ultimately result in anything or mean anything in the grand scheme of things. I suppose we'll see.

Ali