Euchre

1. November Rain
2. Theme from the Godfather
3. Breakdown
4. Witchita Lineman
5. Estranged
6. Guitar Solo #1
7. KOHD
8. Bass Solo
9. So Fine
10. Drum Solo
11. Don't Cry (Alt)
12. Guitar Solo #2
13. Coma
14. Since I Don't Have You
15. Shotgun Blues
16. Look At Your Game Girl
17. My World

Encore :

Chi Dem front to back

9 hours ago, ryanf23 said:

In the credits, it shows Izzy Stradlin, DJ and Chris Weber as the writers

i assume DJ is Del James

This thing keeps coming up - I’m 90% sure DJ is not Del James. From my fading memory DJ was a bass player that was with Hollywood Rose or another of those early bands at some stage and only briefly. I’m also pretty sure Marc Canter confirmed this on the forum at some stage. 

There are 6.5 decent songs on this record and they all made the Top 7 - I’m much more in tune with the UYI 2 crowd that UYI 1.

One song I've never managed to listen to the whole way through.

Another I haven't listened to in 25 years and never want to hear again

And one that if I were going to listen to again, I'd listen to the demo well before the album version.....

Somewhat oddly this poll is reminding me of why I went off the Illusions relatively quickly after their release…

Appetite then Lies then could not care less

Jungle as it was the first song on the cassette. Sometime in ‘87.

15 hours ago, WildStar said:

Huh! They release new music, change the setlist and don't play the same cover songs for 30 years.

I never thought about this before but you are right.....it's pretty bad having to play the same song over and over again when its your own, but when you are playing the same cover over and over again for 30 years, then its just getting sad

Slash just isn’t that great a song writer. Slash is great at elevating a base, but not really good at creating that base.

Back to the original post put Izzy, Slash, Steve and Duff together and you’ll have a great band. Collectively they are much stronger than the sum of the parts. At the point anyone singing over the top will sound great.

4 hours ago, AlterL said:

laughable at best... C'mon if Izzy wanted to do something big, he would do something big, the fact that he hasn't done anything in that regard in over twenty years should say something. a GN'R album with Slash on vocals and Axl on drums seems more likely at this point.

I’m not sure I follow this post. Izzy has released over 10 albums since he left GNR, with some of the best stuff any of the GNR members have done.

Are you saying something only matters if lots of other people buy it ? Or that touring the same songs sporadically for 30 years is preferable over heaps of great new stuff ?

Its a genuine question - I’m trying to follow your logic here.

3 hours ago, Top-Hatted One said:

Slash, Duff, Izzy Adler or Sorum

put a band together. Write and record a new album in 10 days. No bullshit.

Izzy & Duff on vocals

That would be the smart play, should have done it 30 years ago. the original band was so good, we would have got heaps of great albums from them.

12 hours ago, Steve1899 said:

Hello everyone. I'm sorry to push this old thread up but I do have footage of 2 of those Marquee gigs.

I'm friends with the Quireboys, back then Queerboys, did a bit of roadie work and recorded them back in the days. The Marquee was like our 2nd living room for a while and they played the night after GNR's first night and GNR came to watch their gig which more or less got them the support spot a few months later at the Hammersmith.

I don't want to bore you so to shorten the story, I taped quite a lot of their first and second night at the Marquee and also the Hammersmith gig. I haven't checked the tapes in like 30 years and actually just dug them up 2 weeks ago. Also need to find a way to transfer the old tapes but if you guys are interested in the footage I'll put it up somewhere after I transferred them.

So let me know and I see what I can do.

That would be epic - how did the quality hold up ? I had got my hands on some old Rose Tattoo audio tapes that were a similar story and did a bit of research and ended up taking them to professionals to transfer over - they did a few things like baking the tapes to ensure they got them in the best condition before transferring them. I assume there is similar best practice for VHS, but I'd defintiely recommend looking around for the most professional outfit given how rare what you have in your hands is.

This is the first time I've ever heard of any footage from the Hammersmith Odeon show and that was one of GN'Rs best based on the audio and reports at the time. - would be great to see a bit.

Nice work....

I think you can have a fair guess at the Appetite tunes with outside writers since we know that the GNR members started out with equal share and then Steven gave part of his share to Axl, so whatever Axl goes up by, Steven comes down by. You can always work out Slash/Duff & you know Steven + Izzy + outside, so you can figure Axls out. Whatever Axl is over the Slash/Duff/Izzy, Steven is below and the rest is to the outside writer. Hence :

It's So Easy  : Axl 18, Slash/Duff/Izzy 14 , Steve 10, West 30

Chris Weber Tunes : Axl 22.5, Slash/Duff/Izzy 18, Steve 13.5, Weber 10

The work out nice and round for the outside writer, so a good chance it is correct I would say.

The new L&L tunes were a bit harder. The best guess I had there was the Slash/Duff/Izzy stay the same (ie 20) and Axl/Steve change, which comes out as : Axl 22.52, Slash/Duff/Izzy 20, Steve 17.48.

These don't look as convincing as the prior ones though, so not a high degree of confidence this is right.

14 hours ago, Homefuck said:

Missed that one. Which song was playing when nikki wrote that riff?

3 hours ago, Free Bird said:

Nights Of The Long Knives by ACDC

There is also Love Like Blood by Killing Joke

40 minutes ago, Frankfurt93 said:

i can't believe there are actually people out there that still didn't grasp that GNR band stopped existing in 1993.

THAT was band.

Everything else - silly little tribute band.

I was one of those that didn't grasp it.....for me GNR as a band finished in 1990 !

1 hour ago, Tom2112 said:

TB should more concerned about the abysmal selects they released. If anything is doing damage to GNR in 2020/2021 it's those. TB would write off the critical comments though as "haters". Also, if there was any doubt about the balance of power in GNR there needn't be. Axl is the boss and Slash and Duff are clearly his pets now. Very sad that they don't have the balls to say "I'm going to do the interviews I want". Is Axl going to fire Duff because he goes on a podcast, tells a few UYI stories he's told a million times, then evades any sort of question about new music? I highly doubt it. Crazy!

I'd say this is the most on point post I've seen so far here - yes the 'official' releases ie selects are atrocious they aren't doing the band any favours.

'Axl is the boss' is the key point. I don't know why everyone is blaming TB - but perhaps I'm missing something ? Even if it was TB screwing up at some point it's the boss's issue to sort out or if not it is then them that are fucking up.

This is the way Axl has always been right back to one of the first printed interviews in 86 - was it Music Connection or something where he didn't like what he thought they would write so threw a fit. This pattern has been repeated ever since. The whole reason he wanted the GNR name is for control & $. The only people around him including TB are yes men. Anyone with any integrity wouldn't hang around in that environment so all you have left are the hangers on who will never rock the boat. The one thing that has come out is how Slash came back to the fold - it wasn't TB pushing that angle, they were towing the Slash is cancer line until the day Axl told them to pick up the phone and they flipped. They aren't making decisions they are just doing what Axl wants - and all this stuff ultimately is coming from Axl.

Slash and Duff have some pull for one reason only - because they still have veto rights over some uses of the name.

An EP with the original 5 would be cool.. I think the AFD5 would bump sales, but even if it didn't at least the band would sound a heap better.

Not being too familiar with the recent era I was surprised how sterile and uninspired it sounded - did Fortus used to be a session player by any chance ?

2 hours ago, craiggunslover said:

At this point they're best to bring Steven and Izzy back 

That would be the only thing to make me care....

5 hours ago, Sweersa said:

Hence my mention of potential legal (or other) issues. I'm assuming he was physically capable of doing it. 

It could be as simple as Axl not wanting him to get too comfortable plating with them, fearing Steve would have expectations of playing again, or more in the future. 

Axl might be a bit delusional with a warped sense of reality - but I think he is generally pretty honest. And if I recall properly I think he said in an interview that it was the back injury that prevented Steven playing originally - hence I don't think it is any more complicated than that.

I think the tour started with Frank and they won't change anything until either Frank pisses someone off of ticket sales dry to the point they need the full reunion.

I certainly agree its ridiculous to have Adler there who can play the tunes much better than anyone else and only have him play on 1 song - but like I said upfront Axl comes across as warped but honest. And its the warped thinking that leads to the situation not a hidden agenda I think.

I made the mistake of listening to YCBM - noting I've barely listened to anything in NITL other than the Adler appearances before.

I've got to say the criticisms are fair - you can't even tell its Axl singing - it just sounds like air escaping out of a hole most of the time and him struggling to keep up. And the drumming is shocking - no feeling there at all. My favourite part of the song is the last part, breaking down my back etc, and that section is disgraceful. Adler's band at M3 did it infinitely better.

Starting with the Black album, Metallica has had 6 straight number 1 albums of original studio material in the US. All those albums were Number 1 in the majority of countries wikipedia shows.

If you take the comparable releases in that time frame : 1991 - Black album outsells UYI more than 2:1 ; 2008 - Death Magnetic outsells ChiDem 2:1.

I think it is hard to mount the argument that GNR achieved more cross over than Metallica - I can't see how you can sell that many albums and achieve so much ongoing success without that cross over - the only thing that puts GNR close to Metallica is Appetite, take that away and they aren't in the same league.

10 hours ago, Blackstar said:

He was also the engineer in the Lies session when Patience was recorded. Interestingly, he says other songs were also recorded during that weekend session, but only Patience made the record. I suppose one of those songs must have been Move to the City acoustic.

Lies basically got recorded twice, although originally it was intended for b-sides. I’m pretty sure that session he is referring to is the first one with Patience, the You’re Crazy version that ended up on the Jungle single, Cornchucker and the different versions of Used To Love Her and One In a Million that are floating around. All of which got out there when Alan Niven sold off some stuff. From this first session only the version of Patience ended up on Lies.

This topic came up once before and subsequent to that from what I understand the Locked & Loaded had the dates where some of the Lies sessions were held, showing Patience being recorded before the others.

Just to put something in perspective......Jimi Hendrix has managed 3 albums of new studio material in the last 11 years, that all charted Top 10 in the US, ...and he died 50 years ago.

IMO This whole debate really hinges on whether a band is a name or a concept. There is no right or wrong answer IMO and it may differ from band to band what it really is.

Ie if you think of GNR as just a brand name then those guys weren’t original as technically there was a band that existed before with different members with that name

if like me GNR is more a concept, then they are original as the concept started in June ‘85 and ended in April 90. Other entities have existed with that name but weren’t the same.From that perspective they were original in what I define GNR as. Similarly if those 5 played under a different name I’d still consider it GNR.

a rose by any other name...does the label matter ?

It comes across like he thought the person was asking about pre-recorded backing tapes. And he’s responding “no we haven’t recorded new backing tapes - when we play it’s all live” !