Nasty Bronchitis

Second time i have seen and listened Izzy playing a wah pedal.

15 hours ago, Ratam said:

Weird they don't put Machu Pichu.

I'm having visions of Axl on the Machu Picchu sanctuary in Cusco saying to an out of shape tourist: You are gonna die.. out of breathe.

On 9/20/2022 at 1:28 AM, AxlRQ93 said:

Two things are interesting though, the use of wah wah pedal. Also, how little Izzy plays. I love Izzy a ton but it’s really clear he mentally left the band a long time before he actually quit. There’s none of the twin guitar attack of AFD :/ 

Would pay the cost of 6 AFD deluxe boxes if i'm proved wrong but i am quite positive Izzy' s performance was stellar and enthusiastic on rehearsal context. Covers ( future TSI material), jamming, testing new ideas. Or even taking Axl duties as a vocalist (i.e. Robert John's Greece footage) during 1989/1990/1991. 

That is boxset worth material.

On 9/20/2022 at 1:40 AM, Powderfinger said:

It’s really clear his amp was turned down for a long time before he actually quit. Gilby managed to turn his up around Skin N Bones. 

Turned down on the venue P.A. /on the final mix. We can tell why this decision was made after listening the Ritz '91 YCBM intro.

Like it's been said previously his heart and mind was already elsewhere. His Pretty tied up lyrics speak volumes nowadays.

On 8/26/2022 at 9:33 PM, axlvai said:

Oh youre right. Was another session before UYIs came out. Or before the tour. Ty!

Before UYIs - 1990 session. First with Matt Sorum as a drummer.  For the Days of Thunder soundtrack.

Looks like he is enjoying himself cause it's not the same ol', same ol'. It's business, but a new venture.

Casting directors, If Mike Monroe is included in a script for a Gn'R biopic, call Chris Kattan.

Biopics do suck! Even Oliver Stone got some music fans pulling their thumbs down with The Doors movie (based on the book "No one here gets out alive") John Densmore didn't like it.

On 1/25/2022 at 4:51 PM, eggers said:

Izzy isn’t on TSI. Or are you talking about UYI?

UYI ➡ Un Yuxtapuesto Izzy 

Good observation.

Taking in consideration most of songs were recorded along UYI, same recording process, same mixer.

Difference is straight rock ( or punk ) tunes in the case of TSI.

Izzy's guitars perhaps wouldn't be so much useful for the up to 5  minute songs. He got bored or just lay a subtle guitar part for those as far as i remember.

That's why he is not so present in the mix in many or even not playing at all. 

Matt has a great drum sound on those sessions. He explained they worked with lots of different snare sounds.

On 31/7/2020 at 6:53 AM, t-p-d-a said:

So we have prime Axl Rose in Blu Ray format only in non-GNR material. Freddie Tribute is on Blu Ray, This is on Blu Ray.  This is so sad.. I will buy this.

I bet Clint Eastwood's Dead Pool is already on Blu Ray as well. Got to check that out.

BTW i would pay the cost of ten locked and loaded AFD box sets to see the 2nd night next to this one, where Axl & Izzy repeated their guest number + Axl doing backing vocals on "Mixed Emotions" and a whole set of GN'R opening for them in october.

21 hours ago, ludurigan said:

my point is steven was sacked obviously because axl rose believed that he wasnt good enough to play "axl rose music" -- i.e. the "deep", "serious", "epic" piano ballad music that axl shoved down everyone's throath in GNR and that has nothing to do with GNR in the first place

steven was just the first but in the end izzy, slash and duff would all leave for the very same reason -- axl wanted to push his "music" and his agenda down everyone's throath

axl music is not really GNR music, is it?

izzy, slash, duff and steven would NEVER play that type of music if it wasnt for axl

now if we are talking about GNR music, steven has always been the best fit to Guns n Roses music

And i never heard Steven play Axl Rose music so i cant really tell you if he was fit or not to play it

the stuff i heard -- Civil War on Farm Aid, Mates rehearsal 1989 and even the recent clips like You Coud be Mine etc -- sound absolutely brilliant
 

Your kinda validating my comment in the end.
I get you although i would say not only for the Axl material but also the sound Slash and Duff were looking for.
The later were the ones who practiced new material with Adler as a trio once the AFD tour was over and stop listening to his musical input, treat him with indifference.

Civil War, Don't Cry, Back off Bitch with Adler i agree sound great but i can' t say the same about Locomotive from the Mates rehearsal. If that's the definitive Adler version they did together i can imagine Slash being frustated with it.

IMO Guns n' Roses ceased to exist around those years.

4 hours ago, ludurigan said:

not it doesnt confirm anything

thats just yours and Axl's opinion

 

Niven's too. As heard on his first Appetite for Distortion episode which confirms what Adler described in his book.
Axl's take on this, haven't read or heard his opinion.

Not to be intended as a jab to Steven's musicianship, which apparently is understood in that way by some fans when this is discussed. It's not a Steven vs Matt discussion.

3 hours ago, soon said:

Definitely heard this demo and the final arrangement is close enough if one looks passed the limitations of the tech and the rather heavy handed programming. As far as I understand the band had worked up all the UYI material by 1990. And that as they began recording the albums Adler was unable to deliver in studio. Coupled with Matt having been said to mostly follow the previous arrangements, with his one day per song recording schedule, I figure this is one of the majority of UYI songs that Matt followed, at least with in reason, to the earlier band arrangements. Mates is a cool insight into where some of the tracks were at with Adler on the kit. But, it could be the case that the band never worked on this track since it was written in the mid 80's, though. Thats true. Hopefully someone can clarify?

I would definitely give away ten locked and loaded sets just to be a fly on the wall on every rehearsal done after the AFD tour just to clear up this topic. The available Mates recording confirms what Niven and Adler himself claim: he was not the type of drummer required for new material although he set the parts for some of it.

Chicago 1989: Duff, Adler & Slash. Someone should have pushed the rec buttom there. 

2 hours ago, Fashionista said:

The UYIs are basically solo albums wherein each guy brought in songs and the others added to it, like the Beatles' White Album. For example Yesterdays didn't start life as a GN'R song, it was an Axl and West collaboration. Back Off Bitch was an Axl/Izzy/Paul thing from 82. Axl has said that essentially each guy refused to do the other's song unless theirs was done. So Bad Obsession, outside of rehearsals, was probably never seriously worked on by GN'R; It was an Izzy song brought into the sessions, same with DTJ and Pretty Tied Up. The Garden was another West/Axl collab made into a GN'R song. So Fine was basically a Duff solo song. It wasn't an organic process, really. Outside of a few (Coma, Perfect Crime, Locomotive, Garden of Eden, YCBM, Estranged, Dust N' Bones, 14 Years) most didn't start off life specifically as GN'R songs. Dead Horse was an Axl thing he had been fiddling around with for years. 

Fine example of a fragmented unit.

5 hours ago, Sosso said:

Maybe because they kept the arrangements from the AfD days? This song was already performed live in '86,'  '87.

4 hours ago, soon said:

I think that it has a tight Matt drum part. But with the cowbell your half way to Adler, who arranged the track. I think that the intro riff and verse riff are in the same wheelhouse as Move to the City and the the verse of Night Train. Izzys parts in the verses of BO and NT are deceptively similar. So maybe that pre-UYI Izzy swagger evokes the Adler thang?  

Are we sure about Adler arranging the track?

All i have heard is the old version done by Izzy. I always  assume West was on slide guitar and both used a programmable drum machine to demo the song, 

16 hours ago, kevinb said:

I almost jumped from the stadium balcony when Axl said he was quitting GNR at the Stones show 89.  He said there is "no such thing as Paradise City, ever, anywhere" and I started choking up.  The bootleg for the 4th show at Perkins Palace 87 (which has since been torn down) is a great soundboard recording and is so great it gives me the chills.  It's a very emotionally driven show and the guitar is amazing.  I actually think it's better than the Marquee shows because the soundboard is so clear from Perkins Palace, you feel like you're right there watching them.  By the way, I remember people pouring beer over my head from the balcony, that concert was wild and I was like 13 or 14 years old!  My first concert- 12/26/87.  Man, how I love GNR.  Should have gotten a GNR tattoo years ago... my best experience was Troubadour show 2016, front center.  I  almost had a heart attack when Axl and Slash walked up onto stage in that tiny club!   Wish we had more of that on video too!

Awesome experiencies of yours man. Hats off to you.

The environment of that 1st night at the L.A. Coliseum, was that heavy? If you reacted like that how you as a 15/16 year old perceived the audience after Axl threatened to call it quits. Do you recall the vibe inside the venue while the band was falling apart.

When Axl is giving his rant you can see Izzy trying to persuade him, a vain effort.

Here in South America they hit the bigtime around 1989, although i became aware of them in december 1988 for the first time.

Believe me, i would totally have gotten a tat around that time. But time changed my mind.

38 minutes ago, kevinb said:

Yes, it's me Kevin from GNR Central.  I was at the first Perkins Palace show in 1987 but I can't remember Adler much.  I think he actually played one-handed on drums for Patience only at all 4 shows.  It was their LA homecoming shows and first LA shows since Appetite was released as I recall.  I pray it was recorded on video but I dont remember any cameras there.  I was also at all 4 Stones shows with GNR in 1989 and I'm very sad those shows were not professionally recorded...

Thanks for clearing it up.

Now i get why the 4 dates since it was their homecoming shows. My guess is someone from the crew, close to the band did an amateur filming on the 30th.

I hear ya Kevin, feel the same everytime i see the bootleg for the 1st night of the L.A Coliseum shows and watch the performance being projected on the big screen onstage.

Marquee 1987:

• Audio: Soundboard recording exists, fact. 3 nights? Tracks from 28th were included on japanese ep.
• Video: According to Slash it exists. Not Pro filming apparently.

Quote

“I have a video for one of those evenings, someone was walking around with a camera, and videotaped the entire day, from before soundcheck all the way through the show. I have it on DVD, I don’t even remember who shot it, but someone gave it to me in the last couple of years. I’m sitting there with it, I don’t know what to do with it. It was packed to the rafters, and it was a real proper rock ‘n’ roll kind of thing.”

https://www.udiscovermusic.com/stories/guns-n-roses-under-a-marquee-moon/

Thx to Scott Rheinberger for posting this on YT

Perkins Palace Pasadena 1987 ( Fred Coury on drums):

Listening to the december 30th audio bootleg Axl mentions before Patience he wants Steven onstage. Axl wants that moment on film, yep someone is filming. 

Apparently, (just speculating from pics and audio) what he wants to preserve is filming Adler playing percussion and doing backup vocals for the Patience outro. Out of tune btw 

Side note➡ Previous night (28th) Axl says before Patience Steven's gonna try....inaudible... for the first time.

@kevinb are you the same Kevin from GnRCentral?

If so didn't you attend one of the Perkins gigs? Could you confirm my presumption about Adler.

On 5/7/2018 at 3:12 AM, zombux said:

bump... are there any "news" concerning this topic?

indeed, there was a huge mess during 1990, but it really seems like Matt Sorum was already doing some studio session work with GNR, resulting in Days of Thunder's KOHD (released June 1990, so the sessions must have happened before that) - while somewhat later, Steven Adler recorded Civil War in June 1990 (and was subsequently fired on July 11, 1990).

also, is there some firm date of Dizzy joining the band? some say that he joined at some point in late 1990, but based on that "Mick Wall phone interview" quote (I haven't heard it myself) Dizzy was already there around May 1990...

I've got a fixation towards 1989 and 1990 in Gn'R history timeline.

Hope @Gambit83 @sidman69 or @ArtTavana (his book about the band) get to discuss about this UYI pre production era. Find people like Martin Chambers or Adam Maples to get their impression about their auditions, for instance.

The Adler/Sorum transition must have been super akward. Wife and mistress analogy is perfect @Fashionista

Here watch this party held for Stevie Vai's "Passion and Warfare" album. Apparently it was released on july 1990.

You can see Adler hanging out as well as Duff. There was another video of the same party where both are together like everything is fine and cordial between them. Vídeo is no more on YT sadly.

Must have been weeks or days before he got officially fired.

On 14/6/2018 at 2:45 PM, Archtop said:

Such a shame nobody’s sitting on old Juju hounds footage, was certain Izzy mentioned it in an interview. Really wish we could lobby these guys  to do a one off for 30 years. I know Izzy has acted on fan pressure in the past.  

• To make available 1000 copies of an unreleased album (Like a Dog)
• Replying 10 questions from fans

That's what makes him cooler besides his musical contributions. 

Just finished listening to the show. Jimmy's early Rn'r experience with The Damned, such a cool story.

He nailed it about the music industry. This is what i highlight from his recent interviews.

Keep it up @Gambit83Rock on!

On 3/6/2018 at 3:16 PM, Bad Attitude said:

Is the same concert of this footage? It has different date

 

Different show, RIP magazine party, Park Plaza Hotel, october 13th 1989.

Uploader Biff Malibu mixed up names of the venues perhaps due to closeness to previous one, the Cathouse gig.

5 hours ago, Son Nguyen said:

The key song to find out about, I think, would be "Think About You". Izzy had been away from HR for roughly 6 months, it seems, after leaving in summer '84. Based on the earlier set lists, the song wasn't played, as far as I can see. "Anything Goes" had been around for a while as "My Way, Your Way". Like he stated, he and Axl and written "Don't Cry" only a few days (or weeks?) before this interview. My guess is that he brought in "Think About You" to the lineup. 

What is news to me is Rob Gardner arranging the drums for "Think About You". Even the cowbell parts. Basically same version ending up on AFD minus Slash' s contribution.

@Gambit83 keep up the good work!

44 minutes ago, Modano09 said:

Why is it so hard to believe that a guy who's had a very well documented drug problem for 20 some years could have been thrown out of a band because of his drug problem? 

For me it' s not hard to believe , i' m not denying that fact at all.

My point is them not being frank and told him he was not up to par with what they were expecting for those UYI songs rehearsed in 1989 before he was really messed up.

Him being a total wreck months later (1990) was convenient in order to find someone who satisfy their expectations for the new material.

I am convinced Adler's drug habit was the perfect excuse for Slash and Duff to get rid of him. 

They were not happy with his musical abilities anymore. His approach to new material was not well received. 

If we take in consideration what he described in his book about not including him in the creating process for UYI in 89 just being told what to play. 

And also Niven latest interviews support Adler's claim.

All of this regardless of what people says about those UYI versions with Steven, Matt enhanced the material and provided the epic ones (Locomotive, Coma, Etc) what they needed and what the others looked for with the exception of Izzy. We know what he thought of those, don't we?

On 6/11/2017 at 10:50 AM, HOOSIER GUNZ said:

Of course, you're guilty by association. [But] what are you gonna do? He’s out of control and I’m just the fucking guitar player…” - Izzy Stradlin'

And he laid down a terrific electric guitar track. Moody with lots of attitude. Love how he ends playing along the piano part.

On 21/11/2017 at 2:08 PM, ludurigan said:

 

there are no demos circulating with steven on drums from use your illusion sessions as far as i know

I would looooove to hear an actual demo of let's say "You could be mine" or a working version of "Pretty tied up" Izzy on vocals maybe.