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  1. I saw that there's already a thread for this, but I don't think this analysis makes sense as page 3 in a discussion. Feel free to move if moderators disagree. The entirety of Li(v)e Era apart from It's Alright and Coma has been synched up to their original performance(s) and compared using Audacity, with Live Era as the left channel and the original performance(s) as the right channel. I have shared these combined tracks, as well as the Audacity files used to create them. There are also screenshots from Audacity which highlight what parts come from which UYI tour performance when this is applicable. When studio overdubs are mentioned, it refers to overdubs done by Axl in the process of putting together Live Era in the late 1990's. The timestamps given indicate which portion of the track is referred to. Next to the timestamp is the first phrase or the first few words in said portion. To the lyrics' right is a parenthesis which indicates the origin of the vocals. The overdub percentage numbers are approximate and only refer to studio overdubs, not vocal overdubs from other shows. Some of the crowd noise before and after tracks certainly isn't live since there's many occasions of them playing another song in the beginnings and ends of tracks on Live Era. Whether it comes from other parts of the same shows, or from other Guns N' Roses concerts, or somewhere else entirely is hard to say. I do not think there are any instrumental overdubs made in the studio in the late 1990's. Slash claiming that "It's as honest as it gets" is still misleading, but it's possible that this was only said in regard to the instrumental parts. It's unclear how and when the claims about which concert is the source for what song on sites like Spotify and Wikipedia originated. The latter cites: "https://www.slashparadise.com/discography/albums-guns-n-roses-1999-live-era.php." as its source. These claims are not entirely correct. For Welcome To The Jungle it's very likely wrong as all instruments and vocals seem to line up with a combination of 1992-01-25 Las Vegas and 1992-02-20 Tokyo. The first half of Patience seems to come from 1993-04-24 rather than 1993-04-23 which Wikipedia incorrectly suggests. With this in mind I think the claims made on the sources for It's Alright and Coma should be taken with a grain of salt, though I'd still consider the dates claimed to be the most likely. If anyone is aware of which show the speech between Mr. Brownstone and It's So Easy comes, please let me know. It's possible that it comes from 1991-01-20 Rio like the first half of It's So Easy. This is not complete, and should not be taken as absolute truth. --------------------------------------------------------- Nightrain - Las Vegas 1992-01-25 The vocals on this track are almost entirely studio overdubbed. Overdubbed vocals: 97,7% McBob shouting "Vegas" before "You wanted the best..." has been cut. 0:38-1:15 "Loaded like a freight train" (studio) 1:16-1:17 "I can tell you honey you can m"(Las Vegas) 1:18-5:16 "ake my money tonight" (studio) Mr. Brownstone - London 1991-08-31 The vocals on this track are almost entirely studio overdubbed. Overdubbed vocals: 98,8% The backing vocals in the "I used to do a little" parts starting at 1:26 and 2:50 do not match the original backing vocals by Izzy. The replacement backing vocals are believed to be sang by Robin Finck. 0:41-2:00 "I get up around seven" (studio) 2:02 "Oh!" (London) 2:40-3:23 "Now I get up around whenever" (studio) 3:24 "Oh!" (London) 3:28-3:58 "Leave me alo-one" (studio) 4:04 "Oh!" (London) 4:11-5:42 "Give me a little light" (unidentified 1990's show) (Rio?) It's So Easy - Paris 1992-06-06 (Rio 1991-01-20) This track is a hybrid of two performances. Overdubbed vocals: 0% All instruments are from Paris. 0:17-0:29 "I see your sister in a Sunday dress" (Rio) this part of the recording of Rio is missing, but it sounds like the rest of the vocals from Rio. 0:30-1:32 "Easy, everybody's trying" (Rio) 1:34-1:35 "Fuck off!" (Paris) 1:47-1:56 "You get nothing for nothing" (Rio) 1:57-1:58 "And I'm bored" (Paris) 2:00-2:34 "It's so easy, easy" (Rio) 2:35-3:13 "But it goes to show" (Paris) Welcome To The Jungle - Tokyo 1992-02-20 (Las Vegas 1992-01-25) This track is a hybrid of two performances as well as having extensive studio overdubs. Overdubbed vocals: 66,6% I believe the instruments are from both Las Vegas and Tokyo. Added guitar faintly in the first seconds. Vocals: 0:03-0:47 (intro screams) (Las Vegas) 0:55-1:17 "Welcome to the jungle" (studio) 1:18-1:21 "Oh! I wanna watch you bleed!" (Tokyo) 1:22-1:40 "Welcome to the jungle" (studio) 1:41-2:17 "My, my, my serpentine (Tokyo) 2:03-2:04 "Welcome to the jungle" (studio) 2:05-2:11 "It gets worse here every day" (Tokyo) 2:12-2:14 "You'll take it eventually" (studio) 2:14-2:19 "You can have anything you want" (Tokyo) 2:19-2:22 "Welcome to the jungle" (studio) 2:23-2:49 "Shanaananaana knees, knees, oh!" (Tokyo) 2:51-2:57 "Yeahayeahayeah no!" (studio) 3:46-3:51 "You know where you are? You're in the jungle baby!" (Las Vegas) 3:52-4:26 "You're gonna die!" (studio) Instruments: 0:00-1:41 Las Vegas 1:41-2:58 Tokyo - There's a shift in sound at 1:41, I think this marks the switch to Tokyo. The dissonant tone at 2:36 is not present in the recording of Las Vegas. 2:58-5:08 Las Vegas - Weird mixing at 2:58, and the guitars match very well around 3:40. Dust N' Bones - Ritz 1991-05-16 (London 1991-08-31) This track is a hybrid of two performances. Overdubbed vocals: 0% All the instruments are from Ritz which is why the timing between the instruments and the vocals from London is incorrect. Izzy suddenly becomes louder at 4:18. This is because his vocals around this time, unlike Axl's vocals, are from Ritz rather than London. Presumably there was a small error made when putting together Live Era. 0:05-1:56 "He lost his mind today" (Ritz) 2:00-4:13 "Sometimes you women are so easy" (London) 4:13-4:14 "That's alright" (Ritz) 4:15-4:17 "Dust N' Bones, that's al" (London) 4:17-4:18 "lright" (Ritz) 4:18-4:20 "Dust N' Bones" (London) 4:20-4:22 "That's alright" (Ritz) 4:22-4:24 "Dust N' Bones" (London) 4:24-4:25 "That's alright" (Ritz) 4:25-4:27 "Dust N' Bones" (London) 4:40-4:47 "Just Dust N' Bones" (Ritz) My Michelle - London 1991-08-31 The vocals on this track are almost entirely studio overdubbed. Overdubbed vocals: 99,6% Wrong note by Izzy (?) at 1:30 is only audible on Live Era, the volume on his guitar is too low in the audience recordings to compare to. Since I doubt they'd do such a poor job on a potential overdub, I think it's fair to assume that this mistake strongly suggests that they were unwiling to do instrumental overdubs. 0:48-3:36 "Your daddy works in porno" (studio) 3:39 "Michelle" (London) You're Crazy - Tokyo 1988-12-10 This vocals on this track are untouched. Overdubbed vocals: 0% Used To Love Her - Tokyo 1988-12-10 Most of the vocals on this track are original. Overdubbed vocals: 23,4% 0:55-3:07 "I used to love her" (Tokyo) 3:22-3:55 "I used to love her" (studio) 3:58 "That's all she wrote" (Tokyo) Patience - Mexico City 1993-04-24 (acoustic part)*, Las Vegas 1992-01-25 (electric part) The vocals on this hybrid track are untouched. Overdubbed vocals: 0% Being an audience recording of relatively poor quality, it's hard to say for certain that this is the correct show. I find it likely to be the correct show, and it definitely rules out any studio overdubs on this track. This song was made by combining the first part of an acoustic 1993 performance with the last part of an electric 1992 performance. 0:50-03:22 "Shed a tear 'cause I'm missing you" (Mexico City) 4:59-6:16 "Just a little patience, yeah, yeah" (Las Vegas) It's Alright - Houston 1992-09-04* Very likely to be original vocals. Overdubbed vocals: 0% No bootlegs or other known recordings of this show circulate publicly. *Tagged as Houston 1992 in official releases. November Rain - Tokyo 1992-02-22 The vocals on this track have been completely overdubbed in the studio. Overdubbed vocals: 100% Axl saying Dizzy at 2:59 has been almost completely muted on Live Era. On the bootleg soundboard recording this is much more audible. Coma - Omaha 1993-04-10* Very likely to be original vocals. Overdubbed vocals: 0% No bootlegs or other known recordings of this show circulate publicly. *This is believed to be from Omaha 1993 because of three factors. First, an audience recording claiming to be of this show sold on Ebay around 2010 had Coma as part of the track listing. Second, Axl claims they haven't played Coma in "probably a year or so" in the beginning of this track which lines up well with the previous known performance being the one in Chicago (1992-04-09). Third, there's a local Omaha newspaper article from 1993 which mentions Coma being played there. Out Ta Get Me - London 1987-06-28 This vocals on this track are untouched. Overdubbed vocals: 0% You can faintly hear Axl say "I'm gonna dedicate this, to the press, that don't like us" on Live Era. On the bootleg soundboard recording this is much more audible. Pretty Tied Up - Tokyo 1992-02-22 The vocals on this track have extensive studio overdubs. Overdubbed vocals: 86,5% Axl singing "She's the right one" repeatedly towards the end of the song has been cut entirely and not replaced. 0:29-0:33 "The Perils Of Rock N' Roll Decadence" (Tokyo) 0:56-2:05 "I know this chick" (studio) 2:06 "But check it out" (Tokyo) 2:08-3:20 "Pretty Tied Up" (studio) 3:21 "Cool ranch dressing" (Tokyo) 3:22-3:53 "Pretty Tied Up" (studio) 4:47-5:11 "I can tell you a thing or two about something else" (Tokyo) Yesterdays - Las Vegas 1992-01-25 This vocals on this track are untouched. Overdubbed vocals: 0% Talk before the song starts has been muted. The cheering after the song has been extended, whereas they actually started playing My Michelle very soon. Move To The City - Tokyo 1992-02-22 The vocals on this track are almost entirely studio overdubbed. Overdubbed vocals: 97,7% Amusingly, even the band introduction was overdubbed. 0:02-0:06 "This is from live like a suicide" (Tokyo) 0:46-3:51 "You pack your bags" (studio) 7:46-7:48 "Something something get a beer" (unidentified 1990's show) You Could Be Mine - Tokyo 1992-02-22 The vocals on this track have extensive studio overdubs. Overdubbed vocals: 41,6% Axl saying "Perhaps a little Arnold for you" in the beginning has been muted. Axl saying "You could be mine" at 5:16 has been muted. 1:11-1:33 "I'm a cold heartbreaker fit to burn" (studio) 1:34 "Oh!" (Tokyo) 1:36-1:59 "Cause you could be mine" (studio) 2:00 "Oh!" (Tokyo) 2:13-2:35 "Holidays come and then they go" (studio) 2:36 "Oh!" (Tokyo) 2:37-3:12 "Cause you could be mine" (studio) 3:14-3:26 "You could be mine" (Tokyo) 3:26-3:46 "You've gone sketchin' too many times" (studio) 3:47-5:35 "Another reason to cry" (Tokyo) Rocket Queen - Las Vegas 1992-01-25 The vocals on this track are almost entirely studio overdubbed. Overdubbed vocals: 98,5% Parts of Slash's speech in the beginning is cut out. Adding this back in shifts everything by 34 seconds. Hence an additional timestamp is provided for these vocals to indicate timing that correlates to Live Era. 2:05-2:39 "If I say I don't need anyone" (studio) (1:31-2:05) 2:43-2:46 "Oh! Smile!" (Las Vegas) (2:09-2:12) 2:51-3:25 "I've seen everything imaginable" (studio) (2:17-2:51) 3:28-3:29 "Oh! Oh!" (Las Vegas) (2:54-2:55) 5:57-6:17 "Here I am, and you're a Rocket Queen" (studio) (5:23-5:43) 6:18 "Oh!" (Las Vegas) (5:44) 6:55-8:50 "I see you standing" (studio) (6:21-8:16) 8:52 "Yeah" (Las Vegas) (8:18) Sweet Child O' Mine - Paris 1992-06-06 The vocals on this track have been completely overdubbed in the studio. Overdubbed vocals: 100% Bad Time intro has been muted but parts of it remain faintly audible in the beginning of the intro. Axl's original vocals are faintly audible starting at 6:11 "Chi-ild, chi-ild…". Knockin' On Heaven's Door - London 1992-04-20 Only two words have been overdubbed. Overdubbed vocals: 0,9% At 1:33 Axl singing "Ooohh yeeahah, ooh yeah" has been muted, it remains faintly audible. 0:37-5:04 "Mama take this badge from me" (London) 5:05-5:06 "Heaven's door" (studio) 5:06-7:13 "Wooaoaoawaoo ooooh yeah" (London) Don't Cry - Tokyo 1992-02-22 This vocals on this track are untouched. Overdubbed vocals: 0% Estranged - Tokyo 1992-02-22 The vocals on this track are almost entirely studio overdubbed. Overdubbed vocals: 95,4% 0:38-3:34 "When you're talking to yourself" (studio) 3:36-3:39 "Alone! Oh!" (Tokyo) 3:49-4:08 "So nobody ever told his baby" (studio) 4:09-4:13 "Ladies and gentlemen, on the keyboards" (Tokyo) 5:44-6:20 "When I find all of the reasons" (studio) 6:49-6:52 "Well I jumped into the river" (Tokyo) 6:52-7:38 "Too many times to make it home" (studio) 7:38-7:44 "Ow! Ahhh (whistle)" (Tokyo) 8:32-9:19 "I never found anyone to replace you" (studio) Paradise City - Las Vegas 1992-01-25 (London 1992-04-20) This track is a hybrid of two performances. Overdubbed vocals: 0% Mother intro cut. There are clear instances of instruments from Las Vegas under vocals from London, see odd note at 4:06 for an example. I think it's fair to assume the entire instrumental performance is from Las Vegas. The chorus vocals edited in from London are an absolute mess. Axl singing "Take me down..." the second time in the first chorus (2nd time in the song) and "Won't ya take me home" the second time in the second chorus (4th time in the song) are used for every chorus. The only exception from this is the first chorus in which the original "Why won't ya" lines are used instead of the the first part of "Won't ya take me home" (4). Numbers after voice-lines denote which time he sang it in the original performance. A 2 indicates the second time Axl sang a particular line. These numbers are only present when the line is used in a different part of the track on Live Era than on the original performance. 0:49-0:53 "Take me down…" 2 (London, incorrect line) 0:54-0:55 "Why won't ya" (London) 0:56-0:58 "Take me home" 4 (London, incorrect line) 0:59-1:05 "Take me down… why won't ya" (London) 1:06-1:08 " Take me home" 4 (London, incorrect line) 1:08-2:10 "Look out! (Las Vegas) 2:19-2:31 "Rags to riches or so they say" (London) 2:31-2:47 "Take me down" 2, Won't ya take me home 4, Take me down 2 (London, incorrect line) 2:47-2:51 "Won't ya take me home" 4 (London) 3:01-3:13 "Strapped in the chair" (Las Vegas) 3:14-3:28 "Take me down" 2, Won't ya take me home 4, Take me down 2 (London, incorrect line) 3:29-4:02 "Won't ya take me home" (Las Vegas) 4:03-4:12 "So far away, so far away" (London) 4:13-4:25 "Captain America has been torn apart" (Las Vegas) 4:26-4:44 "Take me down" 2, Won't ya take me home 4, Take me down 2, Won't ya take me home 4 (London, incorrect line) 4:44 "Take it!" (Las Vegas) 4:54-5:00 "Take me down" 2, Won't ya 4 (London, incorrect line) 5:01-6:45 "Take me hooooomeeee" (Las Vegas) --------------------------------------------------------- November 2022 - Waemoth
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