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  1. 18 minutes ago, Swedish said:

    If @Waemoth or anyone else for that matter manages to figure out where the speech before ISE is from please share it with the rest of us. That thread I made which is pasted on page 1 tried to get to the bottom of if a couple of years back but since we didn't have any recordings of Vegas back then we (or at least I) assumed that to be where it was from, but now we know that ain't the case.

    Rio is a very interesting suggestion and one that is very plausible. I have for some reason always felt that it's taken from an arena show though since he mentions the "houselights" as well as their light guy called "Phil" and I would assume that RiR would have their own guy controlling the festival towers main lights and would Axl refeer to the lights from the festival stage and towers as houselights? It also sounds like the speech was recorded indoors (mainly gut feeling though :lol:). But then it may well have been the case that "Phil" controlled the main lights around the stage when GNR played and that Axl refereed to the lights from festival towers as houselights since that's what he would usually call the lights shining on the crowd. 

    Sorry for rambling on a bit but I agree that, for now, Rio seems most probable. However, I'm far from entirely sold on it :) 

    P.S. This is the only thing that has bothered me about the Vegas show being released... I had finally come to peace with "knowing" that Axl's Live Era speech was from that show, but no, it turns out it didn't :lol:

    I found another instance of Axl speaking to Phil about lights at another 1991 show a few days ago, but I didn't write it down and forgot it. Now the speech wasn't from there but it sent me googling. Apparently this Phil Ealy seems to have been involved for the entire UYI tour as per: https://www.germanlightproducts.com/tag/phil-ealy/

    There are some issues with Rio being the source, Axl saying that they've only just started being one. It doesn't make perfect sense to say that after 11 songs, but you never know. It would make sense for the speech to have come from there in the sense that the end of YCBM and the beginning of ISE are both cut - maybe because they didn't want to feature this rant by Axl in the broadcast. I think Rio is a hot contender, but it's far from guaranteed to be the source.

    5 minutes ago, gabmmor said:

    What about the speech before Used to Love Her? Anyone knows where is it from?

    It's from the same performance as Used To Love Her. So it's original, nothing weird going on with that.

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  2. 21 minutes ago, BC83 said:

    To give a couple of examples on Nightrain, using the Spotify timestamps; compare from 2:58 UYI box set vs 2:52 LE on the right speaker/Slash side. The open high string stabs on the chords are out of tune only on the UYI version. Around 3:34-3:35 on UYI Slash fumbles a bit sliding up to find the right note, it’s a lot cleaner on LE landing on that note at 3:28-3:29. The general rhythm playing prior to that note on the UYI version is not as defined as the out of tune guitar makes the playing sound messier overall. Just some food for thought anyway.  I found that fake crowd noise quite off putting when trying to pick up on the details!

    I find it quite difficult to pick out these differences for the guitars and other instruments, so I really love to hear any feedback like this.

    First of all, would it be possible to "fix" a guitar that's out of tune recorded on multitrack by pitch correcting it? I think that example you give of 2:52 could possibly be explained by this.

    However the note on 3:28 is an amazing find. Those are very likely to be different guitar tracks. The question then becomes what the source is for the Live Era guitar track. It could just as easily be another UYI show as an overdub.

    Agreed on the fake crowd noise being annoying. It almost feels like they tried to use crowd noise and weird mixing to hide Axl's vocals, and perhaps also these discrepancies in the guitar track on Live Era.

  3. 51 minutes ago, BC83 said:

    Love this sort of insight, great read thanks.
    A couple of things that might be worth adding to your document, since you mention edits.

    The microphone feedback in the guitar intro of KOHD has been muted that can be heard in the b-side and video version before the drums come in.

    The female vocals have been muted in Yesterdays, notably when they do the callback of ‘destiny’ in the verse on the 1993 b-side version.

    We can tell Slash’s guitar is out of tune on Nightrain in Vegas on the new box set release (at least from the first solo onwards I think?), so does that open up the idea that Slash did do re-records, or at least the guitar was dropped in from another performance?

    Good find on KOHD! 

    I didn't bring that up at all, but I probably should have. The female backing vocals are generally louder by quite a bit on Live Era than the other recordings. I can definitely see them having muted these vocals altogether.

    I listened to Nightrain again, and the guitar solos around 3:53 are definitely the same. They could have done some pitch correction or something to it, but I think the main reason it isn't as obvious on Live Era is that it's somewhat hidden in the mix. 

    I'm very intrigued by the wrong note by Izzy at 1:30 in My Michelle. It's not easy to hear if it's there on the audience recordings, especially given that his guitar was so low for most of the UYI tour. This is a good candidate for some studio shenanigans, but if it is original it would suggest all instruments throughout Live Era are original.

    Just now, ©GnrPersia said:

    4. Obviously there were other people involved. Give us names and locations

    5. Who was funding this massive work? IRA? CIA? MI6?

    [img]https://i.ibb.co/PM5yMts/Capture.jpg[/img]

    Actually it was former KGB employees working high up in Russia who asked me to do this, and they provided a lot of the information. I've been paid millions of rubles for this analysis. But this is all supposed to be secret, so I'd prefer if you all didn't talk too much about it.

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  4. 6 hours ago, HollyWoodRose84 said:

    Amazing work!
     

    Three questions for you. 
     

    1. How long did this take you?
     

    2. Do you have a job? 
     

    3. If yes, what do you do for work that allows you the time it took in order to do this?

    Thank you!

    I'd say between 12-24 hours, somewhere in that ballpark. In other words anyone who put away a little more than 3 hours per day could get it done in a week.

    I'm a full time student which allows me to be somewhat more flexible than most.

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  5. 6 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

    I think it still may be Izzy. His vocals at Wembley 91 (e.g. 14 Years) were different, "raspier" and rougher than usual.

    I can confidently say that those backing vocals aren't from Wembley 1991. I don't understand why this overdub was made, regardless of who sang the replacement vocals and when they were recorded.

    I'm honestly not 100% sure as to who sang it, but I find it highly unlikely to be Izzy.

  6. 2 minutes ago, Dean said:

    My two cents on the alleged overdub on Knockin' On Heavens Door is that if it was indeed re-recorded in the studio, it would've been during the Illusion tour as it doesn't have the same tone as how Axl's voice is on the rest of the re-recorded vocals. Kind of like Freddie Mercury doing the overdubs for Live At Wembley in '87 for it's release etc.

    It definitely is overdubbed. Axl made a mistake in that performance and didn't sing those words properly.

    It's definitely done well and it doesn't stand out. However, having listened to that specific line repeatedly I lean strongly towards it being a later overdub done at the same time as the other studio overdubs.

  7. The exclusion of YCBM in the AFD box pretty much only means that it wasn't recorded at Mystic or Sound City. As a counter point to the people who are saying that November Rain and Back Off were released there's the fact that Don't Cry was recorded at Sound City, yet it was omitted. I don't think YCBM being omitted from the AFD box has any real implication to whether or not it was recorded before or while AFD was recorded.

  8. 9 hours ago, Propaganda said:

    They either pull off a lazy effort, with just the remastered illusion albums, 1 cd of demos, unreleased and released, making the fuckin videos and some rings and gimmicks.

    Or they pull out all the stops and give us like 3 cds of unreleased, alternate mixes and demos, the cd remasters, some live shows or live tracks, documentary from that time, Blu ray of the remaster, making the fuckin videos (which honestly I would pass), and maybe a physical tape or two.

    I'm inclined to think that this boxset will be more appealing than the Appetite box, because now they will have better feedback from the fans. So i'm confident we'll get something good.

    Not only do they have feedback from the AFD box, but I think they'll have to make it more interesting since the UYI albums ultimately aren't as mainstream as AFD.

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  9.  I'd prefer to see something we've never seen or heard, Greensboro 1991 might be the ultimate pick. I've heard rumors about Locomotive being played in one of the shows in Dallas 1991 which wasn't bootlegged.

    Something to consider is that the recordings of some shows are so bad that I personally don't bother too much with them. The third and fourth shows in Inglewood 1991 fall into this category along with the Toronto show where Back Off Bitch was played.

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  10. 17 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

    They fucked up the ending on that one, so I hope they don't release it... a proper mix of Coma from Chicago or Tokyo '92 would be great though.

    I think Richfield is the best performance of Coma, better than Tokyo, Chicago and Omaha despite them fucking up the ending. The atmosphere is nice, and Axl is singing it well with good amounts of rasp.

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  11. 2 hours ago, rocknroll41 said:

    Does anyone know how many non-album songs were played (in full!) on the UYI tour? Godfather, Dust in the Wind, Dead Flowers, Train Kept A-Rollin, Always on the Run... Anything else? I guess Let It Be also kinda counts...

    We Will Rock You, Honky Tonk Woman

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  12. 23 minutes ago, James Bond said:

    They certainly don't want to take any attention away from their eventual 480P upload of Sail Away Sweet Sister from the Tokyo DVD.

    With a sweet 15FPS, vocals re-recorded by Duff, Slash noodling pasted on top of the whole thing and a McBob intro added for no good reason? Sign me up! 

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  13. 18 hours ago, thunderram said:

    I've wanted to create a complete LIVE version of the UYI albums. Problem is, they didn't play every song live and a couple of them are hard to come by. A decent sounding version, anyway.

    I'm putting together a "best of classic Guns" compilation with what I consider to be the best performance (out of the ones I've heard obviously) of each song on AFD, LIES and UYI1+2.

    Some of the less played songs don't have any strong performances, and some weren't played at all. That's life I guess. 

    Speaking of Nice Boys, the performance from Austin 1993 is very, very good. 

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  14. 1 hour ago, ludurigan said:

    Primeiramente de Rio and Maracana XPII are from Aces High and as far as I know they are MP3 sourced. i remember searching on old gnr bootleg sites and one of these guys who knows a lot about audio extracted the wave lenght (or whatever that was) from the GNR aces high CDs and he was so pissed because that wave lenght showed to him that they were MP3 sourced. It is a shame because the artwork is truly good, specially for the time when the CDs were released. Another good thing about these Rio 1991 Aces High CDs is that they have the full concert from the second night (jan 23) and it is priceless

    Older CD bootlegs from the early 90s usually have much better sound, the italians are usually great. Some titles that come to my memory right now for the Rio shows are Rock in Rio and Brazil

    Indiana has tons of early 90s versions on boot CD that you probably know like Dramas & Traumas etc. The trick i guess is to try and find which year it was made, usually the older the better, and some boot "companies" are also famous for the sound quality, i guess Kiss the Stone was one of them

    Can't argue with what you're saying about the sourcing of Primeiramente or XPII. What I can say is that the Rock In Rio bootleg isn't exactly worlds apart from those. Somewhat better, but still a worse listening experience than competent AUD recordings.

    I've never heard anything that sounds anywhere near as good as Frans' version of Indiana. 

     

    If anyone wants information about what specific sources I used in my compialtion, feel free to PM me. I'll be glad to help you out ;)

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