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23 hours ago, Free Bird said:
I‘m glad it’s not as prominent as most people thought it would be. I wanna rock n roll and not some gangster rap sounds
I really like the big epic sounding songs with a lot of strings. (NV TWAT Prostitute) I thought that was what we were getting with the General
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22 hours ago, Blackstar said:
I hear more than on the General.
Both have much less than I thought. That concert intro made it seem like the general would be all strings
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6 hours ago, rumandraisin said:
What I find interesting is we never realised there were two separate orchestral pieces being used as the intro from 2006 to 2011. Monsters was used in some 2010 shows, we were hearing parts of Soul Monster all that time and never knew.
Although the strings out of context do sound quite similar from both songs.
I can barely hear any strings at all on Monsters
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8 hours ago, Sweersa said:
I wish we had the 2008 Soul Monster for comparison, but I too find Monsters better than Hard Skool, Absurd, and Perhaps. I would imagine the CD-era version of Monsters to be even better.
The cell phone clip sounds much more like the other CD songs. Bucket and or Robin guitars. Hip hop industrial influences. The Slash version still has a lot of the CD sound but is much warmer and bluesier. At least that’s from what I can tell from the cell phone clip vs the full leak. Would love to have both for comparison
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23 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said:I know you're not a fan of the CD sound, but Monsters is a top 5 song from that era. It isn't really comparable to anything else in their catalogue but for what it is, it's great. It's not WTTJ or Estranged and people shouldn't be expecting 'classic' songs at this stage anyway. But Monsters is a good, album-worthy song, which is more than I can say for the other singles...
That slash lick into the bridge on monsters and the bridge it’s self is the most pure GNR since UYI. I have listened to it countless times and it gives me the chills every time. I still cannot believe we got it. I have been imagining that bridge in my head since Axl discussed it here in 2008. It absolutely lived up to the hype.
These songs will never be like the apex songs from the early days but Monsters (Soul Monster) is absolutely worthy GNR canon
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7 hours ago, Sweersa said:
I wonder what the 2008 mixes of Perhaps, Hardschool, Silkworms, The General, Soul Monster, Atlas, and Nothing sounded like.
Perhaps probably just like the 2000 version, Hard School probably just like the 2000 version, Silkworms probably a hybrid of the 2021 version and 2000 version, The General probably close to the same arrangement with totally different guitar sound, Atlas probably like 2008 CITR way too much bumble, Soul Monster from the cell phone recording sounds like a completely different song, nothing who knows. The 2000 version like a sketch
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3 hours ago, Sweersa said:
I was thinking about Monsters again today and about how it used to be called Soul Monster and had great Buckethead guitar work.
That cell phone recording sounds almost like a completely different song. The guitars on the Slash version are so different. Love the version we have though
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Fascinating how all over the map these rankings are. And how low The General is consistently ranked. Would have never believed this wouldn’t be a top level song.
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8 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:
I guess it makes sense to only rank the officially released songs, since most of the demos are better and would probably be ranked differently, but he should've at least included OMG. (I know Monsters isn't a demo but it's unreleased so I see why it's excluded).
That said, Monsters, Going Down, OMG, SOG, and the TIL remix would rank higher than several of the officially released songs...
True true. I think Monsters should able to be listed because it’s obviously not a demo. OMG should absolutely be on the available list.
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We’re not counting Soul Monster?!
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Interesting. Song not any better like this lol
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I still can’t get over The General being 4 minutes long. And super weird. I dig it but it’s not at all what I had in my head all these years. Beyond Bach’s comments those concert intros with the Beltrami Orchestration made it seem like The General was going to be this long, dark, brooding epic. I’m still shocked how little of that killer orchestration ended up on the track.
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The Perhaps Jukebox leak was one of the most hilarious things that has ever happened. So I enjoyed that tremendously.
Finally, Finally getting to hear The General and Soul Monster was amazing beyond comprehension.
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Merry Christmas to all
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6 hours ago, Sweersa said:
Imagine how many more pages this thread would be if the 2010 version of Soul Monster leaked with the title: Monster General
The thread would have been no longer unless that actually happened in 2010.
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I voted new music but I also want them to release the rest of the CD2 stuff so I never have to think about what these songs sound like ever again. As weird as this may sound it’s kinda of a relief to finally know what the general and soul monster sound like.
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Monsters is a complete track
Atlas is a complete track
SOG seems to be a complete track
Beyond that who knows. Cuban Skies? Seven? Oklahoma? Zodiac? Down by the Ocean (Izzy)?
All I know is that the CD era needs to wrap up
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7 hours ago, Lethalis said:
Am I the only one who's worried all this negativity reaches Axl and he'll give up on releasing new stuff altogether?
I don't think The General is a bad song, I just don't like the ending. Then again I also like NiN and Marilyn Manson, so my taste in music might be a bit more diverse than the casual GNR fan.
I love Monsters though. And Perhaps is decent. That's 2 out of 3 and that ain't bad. We don't have to like each and every song.
Axl is so rich now I don’t think he cares about what people think anymore
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The Chinese Era needs to end already. It has been going on since 1997. It’s exhausting to think we are still waiting for songs from 20 years ago. Just release whatever is left and move on.
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Also to think there are probably people who payed hoarders thousands of dollars for the general. Unreal….
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Oh to be a GNR fan. We wait 16 years to hear this song and most people don’t like it. Or think the mix sucks. Or the master. Or the Frogs. Or the lyrics.
Bach over hyped Sorry. Bach overhyped The General. It’s too bad these songs had to take on this mythical status. Otherwise we could have appreciated them for what they are. Decent GNR tracks from Axl’s weird period that never seems to end.
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CD is a weird song. The intro is long and weird, the guitar riff sounds like 1994 grunge, the drum sound is lifted from smells like teen spirit (on purpose mind you) and the lyrics are weird. Now I don’t mind any of this but this song had no business being a single especially a lead single. It should have been Better which is really the only CD song with any pop appeal. Having CD as the lead single would be like having Absurd be the lead single for CD2……Oh wait that actually happened too…..
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5 minutes ago, invisible_rose said:
Very well put. Chinese Democracy is criminally underrated almost entirely because people see it as "GNR without Slash". If it was its own standalone album, even just Axl Rose, I think it would be considered a modern classic. Maybe I'm bias, I dunno, but I listen to way more CD/CDII material now than the OG era.
I listen to the modern era more as well. I just enjoy the more modern flourishes. I like the hip hop elements, drum loops, synths ect…I understand that many people hate this and consider it trend chasing and not very “GNR” but I like the complexity
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The "New Album" Thread. Thanks to the long ass thread, I’m going home!
in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS
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“We are working on 32 songs. 26 are nearly done.” Including the 5 reworked songs plus Atlas and SOG we are at 21. So minimum there are another 5 that were at or near completion back in 2006.