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5 hours ago, colonizedmind said:
You mean the demo was released?
Demo lol. Axl only acted like it was a “demo” that was ripped from his hands before it could be completed because everyone and I mean everyone in the media thought the song was weird and sucked when it came out in 99. So this it was only a demo narrative got created. It was and is a complete song that was mixed and mastered. And being that it is a C+ B- song at best I cannot imagine why he worked on it again later.
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53 minutes ago, ruttu69 said:
Yeah, like Unforgiven 1,2,3
I’m sorry but aren’t those three separate songs from three separate albums? It’s not like they released the 1st unforgiven 3 separate times .
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5 hours ago, Shacklermyrye said:
If there was not at some point at least the intention to release it again, why would they continue to work on it by having BBF record guitar parts for it?
I understand that was the case but it’s so insane and would be completely insane to pass off a 24 year sound track song as a brand new single. I don’t even think Axl would do that.
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11 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:
Because it's one of the few songs we really know about. We have the demo from 2006 and it was on the CD2 email from 2008. However, Axl at one point also wanted to release "10 bonus tracks" and said after CD was released that OMG wasn't taken very seriously. But we know it has complete vocals and it was worked on in the 2000s, so it gets mentioned.
I don't think it will be re-released, but this is a fanbase so starved for material that re-recorded versions of 20+ year old songs is something that people actually want...
I will never understand why a song that was already officially released was worked on in any capacity. Who does this?! This would be like if Metallica had continued to work on I Disappear after it was already officially released for MI2. I can’t think of any other artist ever doing this. And yes people are so starved and desperate for new material they would be interested in another version of OMG lol.
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3 hours ago, Axl S said:
I doubt we're on the cusp of anything. If we get two new songs and one of them is Perhaps, Atlas, SoG or OMG then that would be an incredibly nice surprise.
I know we think we can see The General through that setlist photo. I think it looks like that too. I still don't believe it until I see it clear on a verified setlist photo.
And even then I won't believe it's coming until I hear a soundcheck for it or it releases.
Perhaps seems like a lock though. Would expect that no later than end of 2024...
I never understand why OMG is always mentioned as a possible song to release. It was already officially released. In 1999.
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I checked a bunch of other known titles with the G and it brought up nothing Guns related
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1 hour ago, Gordon Comstock said:
If it's a couple bonus tracks like the Hardschool EP, I'd like official releases of Bad Obsession, Pretty Tied Up and Down On The Farm from this tour.
Based on the Selects, I don't really want a live album... but a live album, covers album, or CD2 won't have any effect on a real new album, because they won't write one. Anything other than a new album is just bonus tracks at this point imo.
Anything attached to new studio releases is fine by me. Just not a live album only.
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6 minutes ago, Bitchisback said:
I do
You cannot be serious lol
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4 minutes ago, Shacklermyrye said:
If they do live tracks they will probably be mixed versions of Glastonbury songs
Actually what if the "news" is the Glastonbury gig as an album
Oh please no. NOBODY wants another live album.
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2 hours ago, Lethalis said:
Yeah that's actually quite depressing. We can't expect GnR to release stuff that is on par with what they did in their prime.
Whatever they'll do, it will be worse than or at the very least "different" from AFD and UYI. Which makes me wonder what kind of sick obsession I have with "the vault".
We obsess over the vault because not all of the CD era stuff is mediocre. Some of the songs from CD are really good and on par with UYI and appetite. And I’m sure some of the unheard stuff is really good. But Perhaps, Atlas, Hard Skool are just ok. SOG is good but obviously incomplete. And Silkworms/Absurd is terrible.
We also obsess over the vault because even mediocre new GNR songs are better than no new GNR songs.
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34 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said:Remember when it was like the unanimous collective opinion on here that Silkworms was an awful song? Then they officially release it and now it's almost as if everyone here praises it and loves it .... Bunch of kiss asses
It was bad in 2001 and it is bad now. And it is one of the most bizarre choices for a single from any artist ever.
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5 hours ago, rumandraisin said:
Disagree on both points. Absurd is great. It's killer. And Riad destroys HS. Especially the 2001 mix RTB mix with the heavy as fuck Tommy bassline. Has to be that mix.
This is the beauty of the message board in that we can agree to disagree. I have all the locker stuff but not sure I know which is the RTB version of Riad
And for the record we are arguing about which mediocre song is better than the other. Every song on Appetite are better than these songs. And almost every song on the Ilusions are better than these songs.
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1 hour ago, AxlSlashthebest said:
does anyone think as as me tha "absusd-hard school- perhaps" are the worst song exepct "my word" that GNR ever did ?
Absurd is not good. It’s just not pleasurable to listen to at all. It feels like a chore to listen to it. Hard Skool is a decent rocker. It’s better than Riad and scraped. The original version is superior. I like the long intro. I like the way it builds into the main song. Perhaps is a decent mid tempo rocker. I really like the piano breakdown near the end. I don’t know that Slash could do much to make it dramatically better. But none of these tracks are absolute bangers like the best CD songs or any of the really good early stuff.
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1 hour ago, Caedo said:
Perhaps from soundcheck as promised:
quality is a bit shit as I wasn’t paying attention and had the phone pointing at my feet but it gives a teaser for the real thing anyway
Awesome! Thank you so much for sharing this!!
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50 minutes ago, Lies They Tell said:When did Axl say that CD2 would be more epic? I remember him saying this about CD2:
"Same people, lots more approaches, bit meaner in places and darker in some."
But I don't recall anything about CD2 being more epic
He also said Robin did a guitar part of some song that was reminiscent of Stevie Ray Vaughan. I don’t think that song was on any of the village stuff. It’s maddening not knowing what all exists
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Did they sound check perhaps?
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8 hours ago, Dean said:
A reminder that Pele said The General and State of Grace are the same song.
Im not 100% sure he was wrong.
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8 hours ago, UYI4 said:
In regard to Axl’s voice. A few things. As a musician and singer myself your voice is never the same every night. The caliber and amount of touring bands did in late 80’s and 90’s damaged a lot of singers voices. Add in smoking, alcohol, soda, and other things that damage your vocal pallet. The voice is a muscle that wears over time. Bon Jovi has discussed this. If he wants to sing however he can, then cool IMO. He’s worth 200$ million he can do what he wishes. There’s reasons there is a saying of “rock n roll is a young man’s game.” Corey Taylor even said “you think I’ll be able to scream the song people=shit at 70? It’s just not possible.”
In regard to new song(s) I think Hyde park would make sense as a single release. Given the show day/time and volume that will be there but I could be 1000% wrong. I assume they’ll follow same model and we will see 2 songs. Probably no more than that this year. Annoying but eh. I think Fortus sitar pedal would be relevant for Atlas. I’ll have to match his settings on my same ravish sitar pedal and see what it does. I really hope they release Atlas, Perhaps, The General, and finalized state of grace.
The fact they’ve released locker leak songs makes me really question if there is even many more completed songs. If there were your think they’d release something nobody’s heard. Anyone else a bit surprised by Atlas? First time I heard that I was like (it’s cool, but not as epic as I thought it would be.) I am wondering if we all may feel same about the general when we hear it. What if it’s 1:30 seconds of that intro and then just 45 seconds of singing? I always thought Atlas would be more estranged-ish based on discussion. I’d really like to hear a confident and finalized version of state of grace. That curly shuffle song would be cool to hear. I still think that song could be a mid 90’a pre slash exit song. I think a few songs on the lockers could be. Obviously Oklahoma as well.
I think Atlas was just described wrong by the people who heard it. Classic Rock described it as glam rock November Rain which was way off. The 1st minute of the songs is incredible with the Sitar, Drums, and acoustic guitar but the other 3 minutes are just ok. There is a very good song in there but the back half needs a lot of work.
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Man wish I was at this one……
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16 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:
Andy Wallace mixed the album, right? Did he mix the two new singles? That might be the root cause…
I don’t think so. And Bob Ludwig mastered it. I listened to some of it last night with really good headphones. Forgot how great it sounds
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4 hours ago, Sweersa said:
Unless they re-mix (to correct) Absurd and Hard Skool and properly master them, I hope they leave them off a future release, unless they plan on mixing new songs in the same awful fashion... which would be upsetting.
I hope Slash's influence on The General, Perhaps, etc. doesn't take it down a notch or two.
I would also like it if half or more of an eventual new album has songs completely untouched by the NITL lineup. Songs like Shackler's Revenge, Slash wouldn't fit well anyways. I wonder what will become of the Bucket-heavy tracks.
It’s crazy that those songs don’t sound right when Chinese sounds so good with the same team. People complain about the layers but the mix and mastering on that album is superb
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17 minutes ago, Jw224 said:
I don't know why people are expecting more than two songs this year. It's pretty clear that they are releasing songs whilst they are touring. That's the reason they are being released at all, to promote the tour.
Agreed. And frankly I’d be thrilled with two songs vs no songs especially if one is the General!
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8 minutes ago, The Real McCoy said:
It’s actually interesting to me that they’re going with the General over Atlas Shugged.
I think Perhaps and Atlas are a bit too similar. Mid tempo guitar rockers. I’m assuming the General is going to fall into the Epic category. So a totally different kinda song. Sort like how Hard Skool is a more straightforward rocker whereas Absurd sounds like AI created by Aliens decided to make a rock song with Axl Roses vocals and Slashes blues based tone spray painted on.
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The "New Album" Thread. Thanks to the long ass thread, I’m going home!
in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS
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Same. I heard the lead in about it on the radio and was so excited. Then I heard it. And was like WTF is this?! I was soooooooo disappointed. I grew to appreciate after I listened to it some. It has some cool elements like the disco beat and Robins Eddie Van Halen homage guitar solo. But I still hate the stupid filter on Axl’s vocals (it makes the song super dated) and it has just ok lyrics and arrangement.