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  1. 16 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

    I hope they don't try to cram both songs onto one side of a 7" record... hopefully now that it's leaked, we'll get Monsters and another song by the end of the year.

    But the Perhaps single should've just been a 12" 45 all along. Overcharge me $35-40 and take my fucking money. Perhaps, Wichita (live or studio, doesn't matter) or a Duff song on side G, and these two songs on side R. Throw Atlas in there if they're feeling really generous.

    It's crazy that Axl sat on Monsters, an actual 'big gun', for 20 years... imagine hearing it live in 2006 or 2010. Even though the lyrics are fucked up, I smile every time I hear it, especially the 2nd half. It's so fucking good.

    Axl singing that bridge on Monsters live in 2006 or 2010 🤯

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  2. 4 minutes ago, Old_school_gnr_fan said:

    I’m not finding much to like about The General, either. It just sounds noisy. I could never stand that industrial rock from the late 90’s/early 2000’s. Why Axl is still trying to make it work in 2023 is a question that only he could probably answer.

    I sure hope after all these Chinese Democracy era songs are done with, they get back to the AFD sound that made them overnight sensations all those years ago.

    He’s not still trying to make it work The General dates to 2001-2002. It’s like a time capsule 

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  3. 2 hours ago, Ollster42 said:

    why do you think its not?

    its called monsters and there is a lyric "you stole my soul with the devils romancing"

    that seems like sufficient evidence (to me) to assume that "monsters" is soul monster.

    This is just like Prostitute in 2008. No one wanted to believe it was prostitute even though there was a line about prostituting yourself 

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  4. 14 hours ago, jimmyflint1989 said:

    Now we have The General I wondered what song gets upgraded too Holy Grail Status. I guess the main choices would be Seven, Oaklahoma or Me Myself and Elvis depending if they have vocals. What do you guys think? 
     

     

    It’s Seven for me. Last of the Beltrami tracks (also thyme I guess). Marco said it was the best song he worked on. 

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  5. 11 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

    It's paraphrased and translated, and conjecture regarding The General. Still, I agree with Axl, lots of songs from the Chinese Democracy sessions are better than November Rain. 

    I love Chinese Democracy. It has some amazing songs. Nothing on it is as good as November Rain. I think some of these songs that have been around for a long time we have just gotten used to. But November Rain is still the all time Axl piano epic along with its twin Estranged. 

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  6. 5 minutes ago, uzi your illusion said:

    You dont think it shares orchestration from The General? I was pretty sure I hear the same bits in both parts.

    Or do you view them as part 1 and part 2 when you say 2 songs?

    It absolutely shares orchestration with the General but if Monsters is Soul Monster (and I believe it is) it was worked on during the same session with Beltrami in 2002. That long string arrangement that was played before CD on tour was long and epic enough to span 2 separate songs. It’s always just been thought of as only being for The General because that’s what the band told us but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t also used for Soul Monster. 

  7. 4 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

    It doesn't seem that this has happened in other cases of hidden tracks though (as far as I have looked into it). They seem to be registered separately.

    On the other hand, I don't think it's something like Rocket Queen either, as Monsters is too fully structured as a standalone song to be attached to the General as a coda. Maybe it will be something like a medley or a "concept" vinyl side that consists of two parts/tracks.

    Monsters is definitely its own song

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  8. Just now, evader said:

    I'm no musical expert. I just like doing puzzles, so take this for what it's worth.

    I think these are probably final vocals. The vocals on Monsters are all great. Many vocals on The General seem to be intentionally distorted (artistic choice). It's probably best to assume they are all final, and be surprised if they end up slightly different.

    Agreed. I think the distorted vocals are a choice just like OMG. While that’s not my favorite choice personally these songs date back to the early 2000s and it fits with that time period. 

  9. 3 minutes ago, D.. said:

    True, Beltrami did work on Soul Monster! Maybe they were linked all along.
     

    I'm still on the fence, would love for Axl to talk about those songs someday. A retrospective of the CD era, what he went through.

    But just my feelings on Monsters: as much as I feel it's connected to The General, and part of The General, Monsters is, again, a song about Stephanie Seymour. Maybe it's not, but my gut feeling is:  it is. First part (The General) is about child abuse, the second part (Monsters) is about Stephanie Seymour's abuse. It marked him like hell. He never loved truly again. Just my interpretation, may be full BS.

    To describe anyone as a soul monster……man…..that’s some deep hurt…..

    Another fire side chat would be amazing. So many unanswered questions 

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  10. 14 minutes ago, D.. said:

    I'm 100% positive it's Slash playing all over the two parts. It's not Bucket or Finck. I wish it was either because that would mean we would get another version and that those two tracks are the originals. But they are not. They are reworked versions with Slash & Duff.

    On the Vienna phone recording, the guitar is very very different. I think Evader can confirm this, he clearly knows that phone recording better than any of us here.

    I still wish we get the original versions at some point.

    I tried to fuse the two tracks together, it doesn't really work, but I can see them putting a pause in the vinyl release. Those two tracks are clearly meant to work together.  Marco Beltrami's score is used on both tracks, and the lyrics are linked. I guess both songs are "The General". Part I & Part II.

    Monsters does sound like what I expected of a title like "Soul Monster" but I have no idea. I don't recall Soul Monster being linked to The General, I recall Soul Monster being its own thing. Monsters definitely is the Part II of The General. Maybe it's Soul Monster too, who knows!

    I'm pretty positive those two tracks will be the versions we get on a vinyl, but with a better mix.

    I guess whoever leaked those songs yesterday saw a lot of hardcore fans complaining and it was a gift to make people stop complaining. Just a guess. I don't think it's a hoarder given it's Slash playing and not an antique demo. So I thank them VERY much.

    Those two tracks, "The General and Monsters" are a work of Art.

    Call me crazy, it's already in my top 3 from Gn'R. Could make it to 1 (1. Coma, 2. TWAT), time will tell.

    Thanks so much to Axl for never letting go and giving so much of himself in those two tracks. I need to see them again live and need to thank Axl again in person.

     

     

     

    Beltrami worked on The General, Soul Monster, Seven, and Thyme. It makes sense that Monsters and The General share the orchestration. I never thought they would be paired together but it makes some sense because they were both Beltrami tracks. I can’t escape the thought that Monsters is Soul Monster simply because of that bridge. I cannot imagine Axl doing a meaner bridge than that on another song. It’s exactly how it was described in 2008. 

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  11. 2 minutes ago, Slugworth said:

     

    [GNR] was sort of just work for hire. [...] I met with Axl and he played me these songs, asked me my ideas about them, and I told him what I thought they needed. They gave me four songs to orchestrate. [...] A song called 'Seven,' which is the one [...] I actually wrote a guitar part [on]. There was one called 'Thyme,' one called 'The General,' one called 'Leave Me Alone.'" (Marco Beltrami, IGN, 07/20/03)

     

     

    The bridge in "Elvis Presley and the Monster of Soul aka The Soul Monster (working title Leave Me Alone)" which will no doubt end up "Soul Monster".

    I think it's our most Black Sabbath moment. Sang it on a Christmas eve. Imo the meanest section of anything I've sung to date. Which having said that I'm sure when it's heard others may disagree but we felt it was a Christmas card of unadulterated venom so to speak. I felt a lot better afterward. (Axl Rose , Here Today... Gone to Hell Forum, Dec. 2008)

    Anyone doubting Monsters is Soul Monster just listen to that bridge. 

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  12. 1 minute ago, Sweersa said:

    Nothing against Evader at all, his work was amazing, but you can hear the same “ooooo ooooo” in the party clip as I’ve said for a while now.

    I wish we could get confirmation on whether or not Soul Monster is Monsters. I suppose we could try asking management or band members. 

    It has to be Soul Monster. I cannot imagine another song having a meaner bridge than that. It’s exactly how Axl described it in the chats in 2008. 

  13. 5 minutes ago, WhazUp said:

    And the ironic thing to me is, it really isn't even that far away from Slash's stylistic wheelhouse.  A song like Monsters could have easily been a Velvet Revolver song with Scott singing in that lower vocal style and Matt laying down an acoustic drum beat like Slither's intro over it

    A lot of this song and something like Perhaps sounds like stuff Slash and Axl could have released in 1998 if they stayed together long enough.  Same with Street of Dreams, This I Love, CITR, etc.

    So far Slash has added so much stuff back into GNR that blends the two eras together and to me it works well

    Could not agree more. The guitar playing on Monsters (especially the 2nd half) is very reminiscent of Slash’s best work with VR. I wish Slash had been more open to adding some modernity to GNR back in the 90s. I thought all the loops, drum machines, and synths on CD were really cool and made the sound overall very unique on that album. It’s a shame so much time was wasted but I’m so glad we are getting this now. As always I hope there is more to come. Dying to hear what Slash does with Atlas. 

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