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I saw Guns at the Hard rock Hotel in Vegas in 2006, and Axl sounded incredible to me...like in his prime. 
 

I saw him in Nashville in 2016 and he sounded pretty good, but not great.
 

I didn't think he would ever sound like his old self again and then he toured with ACDC, and he sounded insane! The notes he hit on that tour were incredible.
 

How did he do it? I'm curious why he can't sound like that more often with Guns. 

3 hours ago, rocknroll41 said:

Does Rocket Queen still have the sex noises on the pinball machine? If so, is it one of the songs that can only be played in “adult mode” or whatever? I know they said there was six songs in that mode, but idk what they are.

Also, does ChiDem still have the long-ass Intro? If so, what are the visuals that are displayed with it?

I know the noises are there because they didn't use any radio edited songs...just the masters from the album. 
 

I'm not sure if it's one of the"adult" songs or not though. 

33 minutes ago, adamwolff11 said:

I get there is some cool nostalgia specific to Guns with a pinball machine, but seriously? What's the demand for this product? Pinball machines were a lot closer to relevant 30 years ago when this was a thing. 

 

I feel like they're now to the point of 'What can we put out that is literally the exact opposite of what a normal, productive band would do in 2020?'. 

This machine happened because Slash loves pinball...that's it. He's friends with the owners of JJP (the company that made the game) He has owned games forever. He helped design their last pinball machine that came out. This is a passion project for him. 
 

This is likely something that no one else in the GnR world really care about from a money or marketing standpoint or really any kind of business angle. 
 

Pinball is a small hobby in the grand scheme of things, but it has it's own passionate community that is growing. It almost died out in the late 90's and early 2000's, but it's seen a resurgence the last 10 years. There are 3 different companies in Chicago making games. 1 in Wisconsin, 1 in Texas, and 1 in the Netherlands. Barcades have been springing up in a lot of places with lots of pins to play. There are tournaments and leagues and shows and a lot of stuff typical of hobby like this. 
 

From a mass market standpoint, you're right, pinball isn't that relevant or in demand. In the pinball world, this game is in big demand from the home collector and the bar owner or other operator. 
 

The collectors editions sold out in a matter of hours and JJP will be working around the clock to make the standards and limited editions.  Chances are, there will some near you at bars or other public locations that you could check out. 

Again, this happened because Slash loves pinball and made a game for other people that love pinball.
 

1 hour ago, StayofExecution2020 said:

That's just a wall of noise. How annoying.

You have to qualify a song and then select what you want to play an actual song. Until that point it is more of a "wall of noise".
 

It's early in the game's code though. Games get updated and tweaked code wise for years most of the time. 
 

JJP hired a guy to sink the audio with the video they were sent. 

4 minutes ago, Gunsdrummer63 said:

Didn't see this part, but interesting that a drummer wasn't named. Makes you wonder

Frank's drumsticks are in the game...I think his face is on them. He signed the sticks on the CE, so he's definitely represented in the game. 
 

It could mean they used another drummer or a computer instead of Frank when putting the new stuff Slash did for the game, which is interesting. 

29 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said:

Why didn’t you purchase the litho one? I mean the collectors edition is legit, I’m just curious what pushed you towards the CE. Congrats by the way, this thing is a work of art.

Good question. Fair warning...pinball nerd talk might be hard to follow. 
 

The CE has:

250 more RGB LED lights than the LE

A physical ball lock in the apron that the LE doesn't have 

A real mirrored  backglass vs translight 

Axl, Slash, and Duff's signatures

It has some other sculpts around the shooter knob and action button. 
 

A topper with more lights and a Soundbar. 
 

Mirrored decals on the cabinet that should look great in person. 

I love the look of the LE cabinet, but Arian did the artwork on the CE, so I'm sure it will look great. 

27 minutes ago, GNRfanJen said:

What’s bonkers to me (or I guess, not really), is that the band sent this company 18 FULL SHOWS from NITL to pick from. Meanwhile, here we are begging for just one song. 
 

All we know as Guns N’ Roses fans is pain. 

Someone else pointed this out in the thread, but I think what JJP was sent was probably video only, or was told only to use video. The pinball uses the studio masters for the music. 
 

JJP got all the assets because Slash is passionate about pinball and wanted to help make the best game possible. Slash, Duff, and Melissa also did callouts for the pin. Callouts in a pinball machine are all the audio cues telling you what to do or what you just did...like shouting jackpot. 
 

I get why fans are upset about no new music or live concert releases, but this is a niche product in a tiny market and Slash made it all happen. I'm guessing larger, more traditional type of GnR releases are a much more laborious and debated process. 

54 minutes ago, soon said:

Interesting that Slash began working on this before the reunion. And it turned out being a NITL theme!

I wonder if working on this, interacting with Axls people, helped or played a factor in the reunion?

I'm not sure as far as all the details and timelines go, but I know Slash first reached out in 2013.
 

Most of the heavy lifting with the game would have been done in the last couple of years I would imagine due to JJP's manufacturing schedule and the fact that Eric Meunier was primarily working on another game up through most of 2017. 
 

I've got the CE version coming.  I'm a big pinball guy and have been in the hobby for a long time. 
 

The game looks pretty amazing.
 

Here's a link to the breakdown of what comes with the CE. 

http://store.jerseyjackpinball.com/Games/Guns-N-Roses/Guns-N-Roses-Collectors-Edition-Pinball-Machine.html

Awesome! Looking forward to listening! 

I'm hearing we'll get an official announcement  and reveal on the new pin in the next 3-5 weeks. 

1 minute ago, amaninjapan said:

It'd be crazy impractical sometimes, but yeah sometimes the truly 'out there' type prints are super cool. Like the Nine Inch Nails print for their Palladium show. It was actually made to look like a strip of film, complete with sprocket holes and translucence! Very cool for sure, but it'd be a nightmare to figure out how to display that properly to get the maximum out of it!

 

Wow! That's really cool. 

4 minutes ago, amaninjapan said:

Without a UV coating, it will definitely fade. But it's very much a YMMV sort of situation. Direct sunlight is worse than indirect sunlight, living in Florida or Qatar is probably worse than living in San Diego etc etc. Something with more color like the Brisbane Purple Surfer will show fading more easily than say a litho that's predominantly an empty white etc. It might noticeably fade over a year, it might take ten years

That's a good point. I hadn't thought about that litho showing fade more easily.
 

I do landscape photography, mainly just as a hobby, and I get prints done on metal. It's a great medium for landscape shots. I know it's utterly impractical and expensive for concert lithos, but it would be a cool high end and unique thing if that was ever done. 
 

With the colors on your Vegas litho, @facefirst, I bet it would look awesome printed on metal. Have you ever printed your work on metal? 
 

I think it's an amazing litho by the way...can't believe they didn't use it. 

13 minutes ago, amaninjapan said:

Depends on which litho, how much it's worth and how much you would care if the litho were damaged. Personally, if we're just talking about a 'cheap' litho and/or one that is easily replaced, or a litho that you really aren't going to shed a tear for if it were damaged, then go for it. If it's valuable or not easily replaceable then I would recommend you either don't do it or hang up something else. If it's valuable, there are ways to frame an item to make it resistant (but not invincible) to the elements. Professional framers can seal a frame airtight and you can also buy numerous glass/acrylic panes that have very good anti-UV coatings. Tru Vue is probably the leader in quality glass and acrylic for framing and they have some conservation-grade UV coatings. It all comes at a price though. Would love to know what you end up doing.

Thank you sir for the insight and advice! 
 

I have a Brisbane litho that I was thinking about using. I like the litho, and think it would look good out there, and I think I got for around $125 on Ebay, so it didn't cost a fortune. 
 

I'm using my friend's litho as a test run really. 

Just curious to see what the group thinks. 
 

I have an outdoor living room and was thinking about putting a litho out there. It wouldn't have any direct exposure to sun or rain, but it would be outside. Of course, there is humidity (I live in Tennessee) and condensation. 
 

I've had a Danny Schmidt framed litho (singer songwriter friend that no one has heard of) out there for about 6 months, and it's not showing any ill signs. That doesn't mean that eventually it will. 
 

I'm guessing most would say don't do it, but just curious if anyone has done that in a similar climate or has an opinion on it. 

6 hours ago, The Holographic Universe said:

Massive POS? Debate? As if. Was I on the Rwanda genocide? What affect do my actions have on the Earth? GNR Lithos are the new standard for being a shitty human being? I’ve given away all my lithos for free. I’ve spent over a thousand on frames and lithos and freely gave them away. I don’t even try to profit or rip any human being on this Earth off. You’re making claims on a person based off a thread in a GNR forum. I’m on ignore even though i have never talk to that guy. Stupid. I’m open. I’m pouring my love of GNR into others. 

I can vouch for the free litho. He gave me the New Zealand litho in an expensive frame. 
 

@The Holographic Universe has my gratitude and respect in other ways as well, based off some messages we've exchanged.
 

I don't have a clue what started the back and forth...I haven't read every post in this thread, but I imagine that 99.9% of the people in this thread would get along great in person. Forums on the internet can be weird places sometimes. 

Add me as well please. 

55 minutes ago, facefirst said:

So I figured I'll go ahead and share tomorrow's SLC poster.

I like it! Thanks for sharing it. 

I can't say I like it.

I get the reference, and I hope people from the area like it, but it's about as plain as it gets 

I'm going to the show tomorrow. I don't love the litho though. 
 

I haven't really liked the lithos since the tour kicked off again, except for the Charlotte one. I miss Arian Buhler's work. 

I don't know...maybe it would grow on me, but my initial reaction is that I don't like it. 

Sounds cool to me. I'll definitely be there at some point, just not sure right now what time. It would be fun to talk about for sure. 

I'm going with some other people, and right now I don't know the details of our plans. As soon as I find out I can let you know. 

4 hours ago, Slash1227 said:

The 3 so far have been sick but I really like the white borders on the lithos.  I don't know maybe I'm weird but the images seem to pop more with a border plus they look amazing framed.

Sick room dude, has that old mansion look.

Thank you! We have people over a lot and get a lot of use out of it. Most people really like the lithos as well. 

I bought a VIP ticket yesterday. This will be my 3rd show on the tour. 

I'm hoping for Hardschool, or a special guest or something.
 

I think there's always a chance of that at a festival. Probably a long shot, but being from Nashville I'm spoiled because it happens a lot here.