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  1. 15 minutes ago, kitstuai said:

    Doesn't make any sense, they released a Hard Skool 33 RPM version with 2 tracks on side B (6:20 min), if they had a 9 minutes song they would have put it on the 33 directly

    Things making sense in the land of GnR? That’s a different question altogether haha! I wouldn’t be surprised either way at this point. 
     

    I can definitely see both of these songs being one entity. As people have pointed out, they’ve done it with RQ and Coma. Plus one of Axl’s favorite songs is Funeral For a Friend; that’s essentially two pieces of music sewn together.  

  2. 3 hours ago, bumbleslash69 said:

    In a cruel twist of irony, I received a beautiful boxset of a remaster of an album from the Replacements (Tommy Stinson) in the mail. And I was curious why it didn't have a new mix of a song on it. Come to find out, the new mix of that particular song is exclusively on a 7" that wasn't a part of my order. Luckily there were still two other versions of that song on the boxset! But go figure. 

    You’ll be glad to know that neither of the tracks on the 7” are exclusive; they are both on disc 3 of the box!

     

    https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/throw-the-mats-a-dime-the-replacements-news-discussion-thread.861933/page-117

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  3. On 9/10/2023 at 4:17 PM, rebeldhipi said:

    Id take any of them. But IRS is my favorite from those.

    I enjoyed that last 2014 Shacklers with Duff alot, but i dont really see them play it without Bumblefoot, that said i miss that song in the set.

     

    This is actually the last Riad, which i love too. 

     

    I didn’t realize this was still up on YouTube! I was front row of this show right up against the barricade, in front of Axl. Great, great show. The only time they played the 4 unreleased Chinese songs back-to-back. Then Axl got super pissed during Patience and there was no Paradise encore. Oh, memories

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  4. 2 hours ago, Joraz said:

    i dunno im a bit less excited for the general knowing its a b side track...

    The pessimist in me says you’re right. The optimist in me (which accounts for about .01%) looks at what The Kills just did. They released 2 new tracks in late July and immediately sold them as a 7”. Today (about 4 weeks later) they announced a new album would drop in about 8 weeks, containing both songs. This allowed them to sell the 7” exclusively for a month and then include the songs as part of an album later, causing the fans to double-dip and thus boost physical product sales. If Guns followed this pattern, it’d make sense. Bait the hardcore fanbase into buying an exclusive 7” to capitalize on the mythical The General track and then announce a full length about 4-6 weeks later... double your sales on the physical product that will be essentially antiquated in a months time.  If they went this route, an album announcement would come in late September for a late November release (8 weeks seems like the magic number re: lead time to release an album). But alas, that would make entirely too much sense.  

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  5. Full disclosure: this is probably crazy. However the vinyl only release coupled with  the mythical The General being relegated to a b-side has me thinking a new album may be closer than we think. Otherwise, I feel they would’ve milked this release a la Hard Sokol with multiple vinyl releases and a CD release. I feel that The General as b-side hooks a bunch of vinyl purchases exclusively through the GnR store, and then the same people buy the same songs when the album is announced in the next 3-6 months. 

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  6. 48 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

    There are two types of ownership/copyright: ownership of the compositions/music/songs and ownership of the sound recordings (the recorded music).

    In the former case (ownership of the compositions) usually the people who wrote the songs own them, unless there is a different arrangement. And GN'R owns them: Slash and Duff still have the copyright of their own shares; Axl shares the copyright of his own share with Universal (because he leased his publishing to Sanctuary for 20 years in 2005, and Sanctuary was subsequently bought out by Universal). Also the three of them (the old partnership) own the rights to the back catalogue of classic GN'R (which means that they can license songs to be used in movies, commercials etc.)

    The sound recordings are usually owned by the label (because it paid for them) for a certain amount of years according to the contract with the artist. From what I've understood, if an amount of time is not specified, the label owns the recordings for 35 years and then the ownership is passed on to the artist. So GN'R now fully own at least the recordings of AFD and Lies (Duff had even mentioned that in an interview in 2018, ie. that they were about to take ownership). From the credits on the track lists of the UYI box set it seems that UMG still owns the studio recordings of the UYI albums. However, GN'R owns the live recordings. As for the CD era songs, the label probably owns the recordings from that era. But according to the credits for Absurd and Hard Skool, GN'R owns these new re-recording, which means they financed it themselves. As for the videos, at least most of them are owned by GN'R (if you look at the copyright credits under each official video on the youtube channel, it says "copyright GN'R under exclusive license to Geffen/UMG).

    I have wondered if the label owning the CD recordings has anything to do with why they’ve changed the song titles? Maybe an end-around tactic to maintain control of ‘new’ recordings by copyrighting them under different names.  Could explain why Hard Skool’s spelling changed and Silkworms was dropped. Or I’m just sleep deprived. 

  7. 8 hours ago, Pele said:

    The logic that there were 'only' 4-5 songs completed in 2005-2007 is perfectly plausible.

    This is a guy who has released ONE album of original material in 30 years - only one of those songs he wrote himself, the others likely consisting of instrumentals written for him (apart from maybe Madagascar).

    In fact, I believe it would be unusually busy of him to 'come out of retirement' and record a scattershot of songs.  You seem to imply that he;s doing much more than that.

    One album in 30 years.

    New singles are 99 demos.

    Slash admits no new songs. 

    You still think this guy is hoarding unreleased material?

     

    Do not try and demonstrate logical thinking by applying Occam's Razor, while behaving like an obsessed schoolgirl chasing a crush that doesn't notice her..

    Admitting you'll STILL believe he may have finished material if his next release consists of yet more vocal takes from those tapes suggests you're not thinking straight.

    What about all those songs you made up?  Why aren't you listing these anymore?

    Casino Night Sky or whatever is about as real as Seven with vocals.

    Ooh wee, that was an even, measured response. Re-read my post. I wasn’t implying anything, I’m just pointing out the fact that you don’t know anything.  Only recording 4-5 vocals isn’t implausible, but it’s beyond an open and shut case like you make it out to be. You’re a self-proclaimed non-insider, so we’re both looking at the exact same evidence: virtually none. Aside from the people within the inner circle of the band, no one knows fuck all. However, you run around bloviating like you’re the Czar of GnR fandom and what you say is the last word on the matter of recording completed in the last 25 years. Again, YOU COULD BE RIGHT, but then again so could I (and any other member of this board for that matter). No one knows anything.  

    Also, I’m glad you used the 30 years time frame, not 30 years and 3 months or you would’ve had to say 3 albums. Man, could’ve been embarrassing. We mustn’t let facts get in the way of a good narrative.
     

    I agree that one of us may resemble a teenager acting without reason, but I’m not sure it’s me. I also think you’re right, Occam’s Razor may not be the best example. I’ll just leave these right here:

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_omniscience

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overconfidence_effect#

     

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  8. 9 hours ago, Pele said:

    All subjective but they aren't good songs.

    This is a collective of people who are or were fans of his ability, and the general consensus is that Silkworms is terrible, Atlas is forgettable and HardSkool/Perhaps would have made decent enough filler on UYI.  (This is a general broad consensus - no need to chime in and say I'm wrong because you think Silkworms is great, or Perhaps sucks etc).

    That's the opinion on a fan site for the band.  Actual music fans in general will be far less favorable.

    In fact, if a lot of people saw a garage band of 14 year old kids and they did 'Silkworms' you'd be embarrassed for them - let along the guy who wrote Nov Rain and Estranged.

     

    He 'digs it' because he finished it.  And he is running out of options.

    There were 2 'decent' ones left.  HardSkool and Perhaps - so he's likely pairing them with the shit ones (Silkworms and Atlas).

     

    Question for anyone/everyone - if the next 'new' release is Perhaps/Atlas double single, will you accept the vault is pretty much empty or will you STILL believe he has a load of unreleased finished material?

     

    No, that would not sway my opinion. There was seemed to be a bias towards releasing previously leaked songs on CD vs. songs known to the general public. Releasing Perhaps and Atlas next (preceded by Hard Skool and Silkworms) would, in my mind follow that precedent. 
     

    To follow your logic, the only post-99 vocal recordings were Scraped, Shacklers, If The World and a re-recoding of vocals for This I Love (all potentially spread out over years). Doesn’t make sense to me that he would come out of vocal hibernation in the mid-aughts to record a scattershot of songs, without recording anything else. Plus, that would assume that Scraped and Shacklers were the only Buckehead compositions that ever came to fruition in his four years in the fold.


    That doesn’t wash to me. Not to say I’m right, but I’m not going to take a staunch position of strength based on zero knowledge of the situation. I’m all for Occam’s Razor- too many assumptions must be made on either side to land on a position of absolute certainty. 

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  9. https://www.nme.com/news/music/former-black-crowes-guitarist-marc-ford-says-he-turned-down-joining-guns-n-roses-twice-2858153
     

    I had never heard this before. I know he was asked to join after Izzy initially left, but never knew he was asked to join a second time in the early 2000’s. Based on what he said, sounds like he was approached around the time they were looking to replace Paul Huge and eventually settled in Fortus. I’m a huge Crowes fan, so I’ve always been partial to his tone and style. He would’ve fit in perfectly with Slash in ‘91, but not sure he would’ve fit with NuGuns. Cool nugget from a time surrounded by so much mystery. 

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