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If Axl ends up guesting on the new Schenker record, that's going to be a brand new performance, but, the "new" songs for his own band have 20-25 year old vocals

What bizarro land BS is this?

1 hour ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

I don't hear any AFD in that, if anything I hear it in the verse riff.

Even better.  People should love it even more then

4 hours ago, Draguns said:

No offense, but the songs on the Village leaks were not cohesive. They needed work. Hard Skool is the perfect example of a rough demo that needed work on it. It was a freaking mess.  

Why would anyone compare rough mixes to commercially released studio tracks though?  Of course there's no comparison. It's apples & oranges.  Completely misses the point, IMO.

There's no telling what the Village Leaks would sound like mixed and mastered to a commercial standard because we have no idea what artistic choices they would have hypothetically made.

I think they're viewed fondly by many because it's cool to hear the people who actually wrote the songs play them, as opposed to the current band flying in modern pro-tools session overdubs on top of them.

As much as I love Duff & Slash, what fkn emotional connection could they possibly have to Silkworms & Hard School?

1 hour ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

What bridge part are you referring to?

2:15-2:30

As others have said, If the World was one of the better examples of Axl trying to modernize, IMO.  Great playing, great groove, great vocal performance.

Scraped is one where I do get why people don't like it, but, that still always surprises me a little bit.  Sure, the intro is not everyone's thing, but, the main riff is tough, the solo is good, and the bridge, as brief as it is (sadly) is one of the most "old school GN'R" sounding sections on the entire album.

Have maybe listened twice each since they came out.  If I want to hear anything CD-related, I'll occasionally throw on some Village Sessions. 

I'd say we're officially...scraping the bottom of the barrel now!  Eh?  Eh? No?  OK

Really enjoy the speculative "what could have been" discussion on CD2.  We will never know, of course, unless a fully-mixed version of an already in the can album leaked one day, otherwise, it's impossible to discuss the quality of unheard/non-existent songs.

Having said that, based on what we currently have access to, had some form of this come out in 2012, I believe it would have been really difficult to see these songs making any sort of genuine impact whatsoever.  There wouldn't even have been the anticipation hook that CD had going for it as the first new GN'R record in 17 years.

In terms of the material itself, sure, you have maybe one or two "A List" tracks here that could replace a song or two from CD that would have potentially made the first CD stronger, but, otherwise, these songs sound like what they essentially are: the "B list" from CD; much of the same formula, with songs that, by and large, aren't as good.  Again, just one opinion.

21 minutes ago, Illusion1987 said:

Even Billy Joel found a way to record new vocals:

Savage

I genuinely think Ol' Baz may have confused TG with Monsters, just like we did for a while there.  His description more accurately matches the bridge bit in Monsters, imo.

7 minutes ago, Coma16 said:

Slash 2010 had some bangers. I wish they would bust out one or 2 during GNR shows...

Not for me.  I'm glad fans are into it, and that he has a successful creative outlet, but, it's a all just a little too middle of the road for me.

To be fair, none of them on their own have produced anything remotely close to the heights of their heyday, but, I'd take Better, The Blues, TWAT, TIL, and Madagascar over anything any of them have done since 1993.

48 minutes ago, DeNfr said:

we don't know that

For real..."Daddy don't" might be the chicken pleading with the butcher to not hack his head off

Ladies & Germs, the gig's up...Confession time...I'm actually Paul Huge, and, look, all of the songs actually sounded better when I played on them.   

Happy Holidaze...Oh, and 4Tus is a hack.

3 hours ago, Bitchisback said:

The problem with these songs is the same problem Chinese Democracy had. There just weren't very talented song writers in the band.  Guys like bucket and Brian are insanely talented but as song writers go, what have they ever written that had a chance to make an impact in any way a GNR song has made.  

 

I like Chinese Democracy, I like the songs on it, I like a lot of the solo work these guys ha e done but there isn't much I can sit down and say wow that song is really well written.

 

Even my favorite songs on it like There Was A Time the chorus isn't very good, or Sorry the outro is not very good. And these are some of my favorites songs of all time lol. But the song writing in a song like Locomotive is just so much better.

This is a really good point.  

As I said the other day, I adore Chinese Democracy, and, I love the band that Axl assembled to make it...I thought it was great that he put together an all-star band comprising members of bands which he loved, because, shoot...I love all those bands too!

Here's the thing...none of the people he nabbed, other than Bucket, really, were the primary songwriters for their respective bands.  NIN is pretty much all Trent, just as all of The Replacements tunes were, by & large, all written by Westerberg; sure, Tommy wrote a couple, a few outtakes, and, he had Bash & Pop and Perfect, a'course, so, he could definitely pen a tune and was probably one of the stronger writers in the band, but, still, as much as I love Thomas Eugene Stinson - and...I do! - he's probably not the guy to shoulder that burden.

I own countless records with Bucket and Brain on them, and, Bucket has definitely written a few stunners, but, he does a lot of genre exercises, too, and, you could also make the argument that he's done his best work in ensemble bands with other strong writers.  Brain is a sick beat/loop maker, but, he wasn't really a writer during his time in Primus or Praxis.  Freeze has written a few cool tunes, but, he's a studio guy.  Pitman....is Pitman?

Pretty harsh reality there, but, it's a fair post.

7 minutes ago, Cosmo said:

The whole “General and Monsters is a single song” thing was one of the most outrageous and ridiculous “theories” I’ve ever seen on these forums. People kept saying that even after they heard the tracks. 

As for The General leak, it was pretty clear it was a version with Slash’s playing. I don’t know how anyone would expect something too different than that. Yes, the production sucks but it sucks at the same level as the previously released singles.

Just because you thought it was ridiculous doesn't mean it wasn't a factor in how it may have changed opinions. 

As for the leak, I don't believe I said it wasn't Slash playing.  That wasn't my argument at all.  My point was that we had no clue how different the leak would be to the final version, because we hadn't heard it yet.  I do believe there were some who felt that there was a possibility it could have been at least somewhat altered in its final form.

I think some disappointment set in once folks realized this was really it.

3 hours ago, DeNfr said:

thanks for the positive feedback, I've made one for Monsters, feel free to use it for personal use too.

Hey man...these are great!  The numbskulls at TB should bring you on to handle graphic design.

2 hours ago, JimiRose said:

Youtube update - 429k views in first week since release. Utterly embarrassing for a ban GnRs size. sunk without a trace as predicted by many. Why on earth they are choosing to release songs this way. 

 

Wow...I watch jerk-offs in their houses talking about retro gaming handhelds or headphones who get more views than that in a week.

TWAT, to me, was a stunning epic, on par with all that came before...Prostitute, to a much lesser extent, imo...

Based solely on what we've heard, I'd say Oklahoma has the potential to contain similar qualities, but, who can say what form that song has taken in the intervening 22-23 years?

22 minutes ago, El Guapo said:

I agree, in fact, I support GnR trying new things and new sounds.

But they don't do that. Everything they released since the reunion is old ass leftovers which sound dead AND dated.

There is nothing clever or "far out" about The General, it's just a shitty, unfinished turd of a song with uninspired perfomances and bad production.

My most "listened to albums" this year are probably Crime Slunk Scene, Disco Volante and Hackney Diamonds. Not exactely mullethead material, I'd say.

Here's hope that The General was the last of the released CD leftovers for now.

All great albums.  Disco Volante one of my favorite albums of all-time, from anyone.

Listen, people are gonna like what they're gonna like, right?  No problem with that!

It's really just a matter exposure and curiosity.  If all someone is exposed to is classic rock, and grunge, and nu-metal, whatever, and, the "new" Guns stuff has some interesting textures and sounds somewhat relatively modern, it might sound "out there" to someone who doesn't listen to a wide swath of stuff, right?

To me...Pharoah Sanders, though I really enjoy his music, is pretty out there!  To someone who likes a lot of avant-garde jazz and other music...he might be straight forward!  It's all a matter of perspective.

3 minutes ago, Coma16 said:

Anyone think Monsters will be wasted as a hidden track on the Japanese CD?

It's one of the few so far that suitably fits any description of the word "epic" that anyone would wanna use...zero chance. 

2 minutes ago, colonizedmind said:

To be honest, I think the release schedule should of been Monsters "G" and General "R" with a follow up vinyl of Perhaps "G" and Atlas "R"....a much better cohesive wheelhouse in my opinion. Anyone else? 

Me and my wife were saying the same exact thing this morning...agree 100%

4 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

A decade? Add another😄

read it again, dawg...decades...with an S