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  1. On 4/12/2021 at 1:07 PM, MaskingApathy said:

    I think he's just trying to sell off a bunch of gear that he doesn't use anymore.

    Yeah, and some of it he will probably make something good off his initial investment. It’s a good time to sell. Stuff like 70’s Gibsons, Silverbursts, etc...have done well over the last 20 yrs

    He still has a huge collection after this. You can’t keep it forever and it takes up a ton of space. Gotta thin out the herd at times. I’m sure he has new stuff that comes in constantly. Maybe he’s eyeing something big or he can invest it elsewhere. Life happens 

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  2. 33 minutes ago, 19AT5 said:

    Are we listening/talking about the same band here?! The typical GNR set list has been pretty much static bar the odd surprise here and there for the past few years! (NOTE: I did however welcome with open arms the addition of Locomotive back in the set!) 

    Seems like the set list is static from tour to tour or each era of the band. They do usually add a song or two each time out. Otherwise it’s the same order. That’s being said, people come out to hear Jungle and the hits and there’s only a handful of albums to choose from. The majority of people don’t want to hear Locomotive let alone stuff from CD. It’s a good thing that stuff gets played and it does cater to core fans 

    I think fans here in this community would enjoy it more if the order of songs were just more spontaneous. Just opening with different songs makes you think you’re witnessing a different show. Even if the set is still 80/90 percent the same each night. 

    As far as anything new? I think it’s obvious they have stuff that’s completed. That’s always been the case though since the late 90’s. Having a reason to let it go is historically something different 

    This is a touring/legacy act now. Releasing something maybe potentially gets them to continue playing large shows, stadiums and more importantly the same payday. As a result the possibility of new songs will always viewed as potential fuel for the mechanism so that they can go out and play Jungle to PC 
     

    The previous incarnation didn’t release anything and as a result of their disfunction, label disputes and over saturation, the act dwindled to Vegas and club level shows. That’s opposed to releasing something that gets a tepid response and the act dwindled to Vegas and club level shows due to just over saturation 
     

    Which scenario is more reassuring to the ego? Which scenario spreads out blame and protects from rejection? Chinese Democracy...something that may sound good in theory but in reality will never see in our lifetime 

  3. 24 minutes ago, JimiRose said:

    Songs like shacklers and riad, would have met better receptions in 2000 than in 2008 for sure. Plus there would have been a lot less meddling in the songs, with the layers and mixing. so the album probably would have been more successful. but the only 2 with radio play potential were chidem and better, in that era or 2008. 

    It still would have been too late in 2000 for those songs imo. OMG didn’t get great traction in 1999.  

    From what we heard from the leaks and those versions that are more stripped back? The Blues, Chinese Democracy, and There Was A Time would have fared well. Those versions should have been released 

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  4. To be fair here, Bucket never really had a chance either in that live setting. He was around for essentially half a tour before the whole thing blew up. 

    We’ve heard a lot of what he brought to the studio though, which seems like he was able to step in there, show some of his creative force and influence the sound of the band

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  5. 32 minutes ago, mystery said:

    I agree with this. It gets glossed over but even those albums were a difficult process. Some songs are basically solo driven. It's why I have an appreciation for them. Its Guns' White Album.

    Izzy saw early where things were heading and left early. Saving some of those tracks would have been a good idea. It seemed like they emptied their vault so to speak.

    I've kind of derailed things a bit but a lot of these issues continued to the CD band. Guys like Josh Freese, Buckethead, Robin Finck etc. came in to try and set a new direction.

    Axl sold them on a new vision and I think most of them wouldn't have joined if they weren't convinced and thought they could contribute.

    It’s relevant though. Would Axl have felt the need to reinvent with the CD era if there was something else left from previous years that was unfinished? 
     

    Starting from scratch led to multiple ideas of what it should be. Ultimately that seems like it was a major issue between them

    The label and management probably wanted to squeeze the most possible out of them. They weren’t thinking about 5 years, careers or their well being. Not with the condition Slash Duff and even Axl were in. Not with Steven gone and Izzy one foot out of the door.

    Everyone was cashing in on them  

  6. 1 hour ago, mystery said:

    Slash seems to be implying that he didn't want the band to rush things. Take their time and not rush an album. You're always going to lose some fans with time between albums so I see his point. Plus the mid 90s were a shift in terms of musical tastes. A lot of bands from that era changed things up a bit.

    I think the band (Slash,Duff, Matt,), were as patient as they could be. As creative guys they just couldn't work the way they were. Late night recording sessions with no end in sight.

    There was music recorded in 94-96 but Axl was the main hold up. He didn't want to contribute lyrics or vocals while also not liking most of the music. That's fine but there doesn't seem to be a lot of communication from him on exactly the music he wanted.

    The band seemed to be strung along in those years and it's hardly surprising that they broke up. They really needed a complete hiatus. Let the guys do their solo stuff. Have Axl deal with his personal issues. A lot of tension could have been eased and they could've come back in 97/98.

    Maybe. An issue thats gets overlooked is that they pretty much emptied the vault for the Illusions. For the most part, their songs could take years to complete going to back before Appetite 

    Sure Izzy was a major cog that was missing, but I’m not sure if that would have sped things up either. They probably needed to hold back some of the material. Songs such as Breakdown, Locomotive etc... could have used some more time in the oven and provided a starting point for the next record. Starting from scratch could have been daunting for a band that had previously relied on something left in the cupboard 

    Instead they released most of what they had. Partly to capitalize on their success. Perhaps they thought they were on the edge and didn’t know if certain members were going to be around the next time around. Whether they quit or something worse 

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  7. Good stuff! I bought my vinyl back when it was released just so I could listen to Coma (the Japanese CD import was more expensive at the time)

    That album is def not something I bring out for a listen. It’s more of a collection piece than anything now and it’s stored correctly. Maybe I should have bought more! They were around $30 on Amazon back then

    I get that the price point for a Live Era reissue may be a bit much. Doesn’t explain why they haven’t done TSI though. Not that anything can be explained with this band 

     

  8. 15 hours ago, Sydney Fan said:

    When i saw the post about slash doibg a GNR pin in 2013 he woukd have needed duff and axls people to sign off on this. As a guess if slash and axl hadnt had a cordial relationship axl would have straight up said no. But im wondering if there was some sort of ice breaking arpund that time.

    If slash and axl still hadnt had a personal relationship, and slash most likely would have been rejected from licencing the GNR name for the pinball i doubt slash would have pursued this.......

    I believe they were done trying to sabotage each other’s projects by that point. Duff had shared the stage and the ice had been broken. Would it have happened/broached in 2013? Maybe not for timing reasons, but I think they were able to think about the brand and what they could work together on if not a possible reunion down the line

  9. 7 hours ago, Finck2006 said:

    In live era they used re recorded vocals thats sure, we dont know if there are come from the same sessions.

    Also the Welcome to the jungle from the village sounds more like a rehearsal than anything, all the guys are playing in the same room

    I doubt they’re from the same session. That would mean the source material live is at the same tempo as the re-recording. Which they never played to a click live. It would be lunacy  for even GNR to recreate it 

    They definitely redid parts for Live Era. A lot of bands did this for live albums. I’m pretty sure Robin was used for some backing vocals. I think that would have been done separately. They had the studio booked the entire time to do it.

    It could have been something where Gilby/Izzy weren’t directly in front of their mic on the source material. They weren’t going to call in those guys in 1999 to redo backing vocals so they had Robin fill in since he was there 

    SCOM 99 is your best guess as to what those songs sounds like at the time. 

  10. 2 hours ago, t-p-d-a said:

    I've always thought that Axl's recordings for Re-AFD were used for Live Era. Nightrain, WTTJ, Sweet Child O 'Mine, Rocket Queen on Live Era. These songs definitely have that late 90s Axl vocals. Could it be that after Re-AFD was canceled, the recordings were used for Live Era? I can't remember when Re-AFD was a thing. 90s? 00s?

    The band didn’t perform to a click live back then. Therefore anything they had probably didn’t line up in time with anything they had recorded. If vocals exist, they were most likely done separately and are different from Live Era takes is my guess 

    1 minute ago, guitarpatch said:
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  11. 28 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

    Those are already on vinyl tho so it doesn’t matter.

    Yeah but they aren’t currently in print and haven’t been reissued since they were originally released 

    28 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

    Those are already on vinyl tho so it doesn’t matter.

    Yeah but they aren’t currently in print and haven’t been reissued since they were originally released 

  12. 51 minutes ago, Rovim said:

    it's possible Azoff tried to push Robin out of the band, but there is no evidence to support this rumor afaik.

    Well besides it being Irving Azoff....

    He’s a master manipulator and that’s something right up his alley. Especially when it comes to reuniting artists for his gain. Not sure if he flat out didn’t pay him, but he could have made the situation for him more unstable than it already was (given the nature of GNR).

    Azoff could have known Trent was probably going to call, and he very well could put Robin in a position beforehand that he couldn’t say no to the offer 

  13. 10 minutes ago, Amaya said:

    I am probably going too far. Tell Russ to delete if you feel I am going overboard.

    I am projecting.Assuming.

    Axl does not look good yeayah. We all age. He has resources to hire trainer, chef, all who are nutrionists.Hire hair stylists.

    His money looks real good , but  he could have easily found his Mrs Right. Call Patty The Matchmaker Springer to find someone. I don’t  mean no wanna be starlet . There are business women in his world. There are not just wanna be starlets seeking money.

    He is still a man. The  couple pics of Duff and wifey Susz and Slash n wifey Meg all four hanging out dinner, he does not feel odd man out. I am pushing it here. Pardon me. He can easily find a woman with it all, 30 ish, not too much younger and have a baby. A family. His. Roots.. Someone like him, like Prince, what happens when they....you know....family of.. , her grankids.....their kids.Rights name, image works.   I really think they, she, has too much control over this man. 

     

     

     

    Well marriage also isn’t for everyone. Let the man make and live with those decisions whatever they may be. 

    This stuff has nothing to do with the band and not releasing music. Although there’s some interesting comments about Doug and Fernando here, who knows where it’s coming from 

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