Draguns Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, Scream of the Butterfly said: I think Slash said it was about Axl's dog, but I assumed he was joking. If it really was about a dog that makes it worse. Poor dog. If you believe Axl, OIAM was also initially a joke and merely sounds as if he was serious because he has to sing it a certain way because of the music. As for blaming a song, I'm not saying a criminal should be excused on the grounds that "the song made me do it". However, I do think it's true to say that just as music can have a positive influence on people it can also have a negative influence on some people. If you put out a feel-good song about killing a woman, it is foreseeable that some potential killer out there might be inspired by your song and that is something you will then have to live with. I get what you are saying, but there has to be personal responsibility. I remember Ozzy being sued by parents of a teen who committed suicide back in the 80s. The teen listened to Suicide Solutions and killed himself. The judge dismissed the lawsuit. It was unfortunate that it happened and that the guy didn't get help for his mental heath. Nevertheless, it wasn't Ozzy's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Slash said UTLH was about Axl's dog, but Izzy and Axl who wrote the song have told a different story: https://www.a-4-d.com/t94-used-to-love-her UTLH is just a song in the long tradition of murder songs/murder ballads https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/johnnycash/deliasgone.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scream of the Butterfly Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 lol They were all so very understanding of wife beating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickS77 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 10 hours ago, Scream of the Butterfly said: I can't help but roll my eyes whenever I see the argument that Axl is not a racist because he has Slash in the band, or because he had a black bodyguard, or because he has Brazilians working for him, or any other version of the same argument. It's kind of like saying that a man can't possibly be a sexist if he has a wife. In reality, lots of people have black people or women in their lives. Unfortunately that doesn't stop them from being racist, sexist, misogynist. There are even black people who are racist towards other black people. Just as there are women who are misogynists. But sexist people do not dislike being with a woman. Quite to the contrary. Racist people do not like other races and wouldn't choose to be around them, if they are not absolutely forced to. They wouldn't voluntarily be around them. So that comparison sucks really. Huh? Racist blacks towards blacks? Like whites towards whites? Or this that only something you assume black people would do? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scream of the Butterfly Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, PatrickS77 said: But sexist people do not dislike being with a woman. Quite to the contrary. Racist people do not like other races and wouldn't choose to be around them, if they are not absolutely forced to. They wouldn't voluntarily be around them. So that comparison sucks really. Not all racists dislike being around other races. Some quite enjoy the sense of superiority. The same goes for sexists. Besides, not all racists are extremists. A person might have racist beliefs without feeling the need to completely isolate themselves from anybody of a different race. 1 hour ago, PatrickS77 said: Huh? Racist blacks towards blacks? Like whites towards whites? Or this that only something you assume black people would do? It's not just something I assumed. There have been studies that showed black people were prejudiced against other black people. Most likely it doesn't apply to all black people everywhere but either way I didn't find the result surprising. If a black person grows up in an environment which is racist towards black people, what would make them immune to it? Oftentimes the result is a sense of inferiority as well as unconsciously adopting the same racist beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskingApathy Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 18 hours ago, Lio said: Oh, did you forget in 1992 there was a little song called Cop Killer, after the riots in LA? Bodycount was asked to support GNR back then. That's 28 years ago. Don't make it as if Axl Rose just got woke and jumped on the bandwagon. We aren't all too young to still remember. After the promoter in LA asked to replace Bodycount by another act for the LA shows, this is what Axl had to say: Great song, been listening to it a lot lately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, MaskingApathy said: Great song, been listening to it a lot lately. Admittedly ive been listening to the winners lose a fair bit this week. I liked the video clip when it came out. BC were something really cool when they came out, and practically came out of nowhere. Remember seeing there goes the neighbourhood on music TV in OZ (Rage) when that song first came out. 3 hours ago, MaskingApathy said: Great song, been listening to it a lot lately. Edited June 4, 2020 by Sydney Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) https://instagram.com/stories/susanholmesmckagan/2323816073780938993?igshid=2dobmbbtb2ez lmao Susan posted a bootleg version of Patience on her Instagram story edit: and civil war as well Edited June 4, 2020 by KeyserSoze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, KeyserSoze said: https://instagram.com/stories/susanholmesmckagan/2323816073780938993?igshid=2dobmbbtb2ez lmao Susan posted a bootleg version of Patience on her Instagram story edit: and civil war as well If its video i would laugh if it gets taken down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vloors Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 4 hours ago, Sydney Fan said: Admittedly ive been listening to the winners lose a fair bit this week. I liked the video clip when it came out. BC were something really cool when they came out, and practically came out of nowhere. Remember seeing there goes the neighbourhood on music TV in OZ (Rage) when that song first came out. We all got it because it was big news when cop killer was banned in Aus. Had to get the banned version for bragging rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskingApathy Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 7 hours ago, KeyserSoze said: https://instagram.com/stories/susanholmesmckagan/2323816073780938993?igshid=2dobmbbtb2ez lmao Susan posted a bootleg version of Patience on her Instagram story edit: and civil war as well What show is that recording from? She has to use that because there's no official songs on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 20 hours ago, vloors said: We all got it because it was big news when cop killer was banned in Aus. Had to get the banned version for bragging rights. Yep the banned copy i still have on cassette!. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Scream of the Butterfly Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 On 3.6.2020 at 4:30 PM, Voodoochild said: I've been saying this for a long time. The incompetence of TB is being used as an excuse to be blatantly racist. Every time I see people mentioning one of them, it's mentioned as "Brazilian leech" or "Brazilian assholes".. Or even comparing Beta with a Mexican housekeeper from the Family Guy (which was also racist to begin of). As if you can't just dislike this family without needing to point out their Latin-American roots. There's a very tolerant policy towards this kind of behavior too. Sure, the majority of this fan base is white dudes. I'm not sure, but I think some of the people who call them "Brazilian leeches" are doing so to specify which leeches they talking about and not because they are insulting them for being Brazilian. You could leave out "Brazilian" and just say "leeches", but then it wouldn't be clear whether you are referring to Team Brazil or, for example, Del James or Jarmo or whoever else might be considered a leech. So I don't think it's necessarily racist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manfisman Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Scream of the Butterfly said: I'm not sure, but I think some of the people who call them "Brazilian leeches" are doing so to specify which leeches they talking about and not because they are insulting them for being Brazilian. You could leave out "Brazilian" and just say "leeches", but then it wouldn't be clear whether you are referring to Team Brazil or, for example, Del James or Jarmo or whoever else might be considered a leech. So I don't think it's necessarily racist. Oh, I see. That's not racist at all then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, Scream of the Butterfly said: I'm not sure, but I think some of the people who call them "Brazilian leeches" are doing so to specify which leeches they talking about and not because they are insulting them for being Brazilian. You could leave out "Brazilian" and just say "leeches", but then it wouldn't be clear whether you are referring to Team Brazil or, for example, Del James or Jarmo or whoever else might be considered a leech. So I don't think it's necessarily racist. Calling someone, or referring to someone with the proper term based on where they are from, is not inherently racist. In fact, where someone was born or from is not always an indicator of race, so one could argue it is racist to assume someone's race based on where they are from. (Mexican, American, Brazilian, etc.) The same can be applied to assuming the gender of someone based on cosmetic details. I walk and talk like a man, but what if I identify as a woman? Some people who are of a race, identify as another race too. What a time to live in, eh? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Scream of the Butterfly said: I'm not sure, but I think some of the people who call them "Brazilian leeches" are doing so to specify which leeches they talking about and not because they are insulting them for being Brazilian. You could leave out "Brazilian" and just say "leeches", but then it wouldn't be clear whether you are referring to Team Brazil or, for example, Del James or Jarmo or whoever else might be considered a leech. So I don't think it's necessarily racist. What a wonderful example. Nobody calls Jarmo a "Swedish leech". Even iff that happens, it's obviously not as often. I'm sorry if you don't see what's wrong with that. But it isn't up to you to decide if something is offensive. 2 hours ago, Sweersa said: Calling someone, or referring to someone with the proper term based on where they are from, is not inherently racist. In fact, where someone was born or from is not always an indicator of race, so one could argue it is racist to assume someone's race based on where they are from. (Mexican, American, Brazilian, etc.) If you want to get technical, ok. It's not racism, because our race is Human. The skin color, the nationality or even the genes doesn't make us a different race. That's not even remotely what's being discussed here. I watched a video yesterday by one of my favorite tech youtubers. He said "no matter what I do, I'll always be 'that BLACK youtuber'". I think the same apply here. Specially when the nationality is always attached with an offense. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickS77 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 45 minutes ago, Voodoochild said: What a wonderful example. Nobody calls Jarmo a "Swedish leech". Even iff that happens, it's obviously not as often. Yeah. Because he would be a finnish leech. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickS77 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 On 4.6.2020 at 4:36 AM, Scream of the Butterfly said: It's not just something I assumed. There have been studies that showed black people were prejudiced against other black people. Most likely it doesn't apply to all black people everywhere but either way I didn't find the result surprising. If a black person grows up in an environment which is racist towards black people, what would make them immune to it? Oftentimes the result is a sense of inferiority as well as unconsciously adopting the same racist beliefs. Even those "studies" are racist, suggesting that not even blacks like blacks. So I call bullshit to that. But whatever, I think it is clear that despite One in a million Axl is not a racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scream of the Butterfly Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 24 minutes ago, PatrickS77 said: Even those "studies" are racist, suggesting that not even blacks like blacks. So I call bullshit to that. If you want to learn more about it, I'd suggest you search "internalized racism". It is a real phenomenon for certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top-Hatted One Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 (edited) On 6/3/2020 at 4:35 AM, action said: All those artists jumping the bandwagon now, speaking out against racism, have as much credibility as a fox in a chicken's den. When the fox preaches, take care of your geese Especially when they retreat to their cozy gated mansions. Unlike the rest of us. and what many fail to realize or admit is this stuff predominantly takes place in liberal running states/cities. High crime and tension, heavily policed cities Edited June 6, 2020 by Top-Hatted One Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top-Hatted One Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 On 6/1/2020 at 12:22 PM, registra said: just checked there out of curiosity, 277/280 characters. Not sure why doesn't do two-part tweets, would make it a bit clearer to read It’s probably better that his tweets aren’t easily understood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Top-Hatted One said: aksi what many fail to realize or admit is this stuff predominantly takes place in liberal running states/cities. High crime and tension, heavily policed cities It happens everywhere - if you look at the cases of the past few decades and the most notable ones there are plenty of occurences in southern states. I would say that saying "this stuff" is at the fault of the liberals running things is not quite an accurate correlation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top-Hatted One Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Ok fair enough blame all local political leaders but why blame the President? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WhazUp Posted June 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 6, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Top-Hatted One said: Ok fair enough blame all local political leaders but why blame the President? It didn't start with Trump and it didn't start in 2016, however Trump and his administation by all accounts are doing as good of a job handling the situation as DJ Ashba did playing the Patience outro live Edited June 6, 2020 by WhazUp 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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