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4 minutes ago, Rovim said:

maybe it wasn't the style that he was looking for. I think Axl never saw Gilby as a replacement for Izzy beyond the live shows. In the end, Gilby said Chinese wasn't his thing. Paul, Robin, and Bucket definitely aren't too similar in style to Gilby's tunes.

I like Gilby's style. An underrated album of his is "Swag" from 2002. Very enjoyable imo.

Will track that album down ūüĎć.

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2 hours ago, Sydney Fan said:

I dont know why axl never thought gilbys songwriting was any good and didnt feel gilby would be much of a songwriter on the post illusions followup.

I guess he wanted to quickly make way for Paul, for without Paul, there would be no more Guns N' Roses.

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13 hours ago, Rovim said:

maybe it wasn't the style that he was looking for. I think Axl never saw Gilby as a replacement for Izzy beyond the live shows. In the end, Gilby said Chinese wasn't his thing. Paul's, Robin's, and Bucket's contributions definitely aren't too similar in style to Gilby's tunes.

I like Gilby's style. An underrated album of his is "Swag" from 2002. Very enjoyable imo.

‚ÄúAlien‚ÄĚ from the Swag album - my favorite Gilby song.

What a great time 2000-2002 was for my 17-19yr old self. Blasting Snakepit, Loaded, Gilby, Izzy & nuguns in my first car(Mustang). Visiting Hollywood & the Strip for the first time 

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20 hours ago, MaskingApathy said:

Yeah I think Gilby was trying to focus more on his solo career around VR time, but idk if he was ever asked directly to join. Would've been cool if he was in VR though.

VR wanted to experiment with a newer more modern sound especially once Scott signed up. Had Izzy stuck it out things would’ve turned out differently because those guys make magic. Once Izzy left they wanted to steer clear From sounding like rehashed Rolling Stones/Bad Company. Also VR was competing with Nuguns. 

 

Gilby was done being a solo artist by that time as he came to realize making expensive records and footing the bill for logistically expensive tours to go and play empty bars in front of 10-15 bar dwellers just wasn’t lucrative enough. Gilby certainly would’ve jumped at the opportunity to join VR if asked. 

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2 hours ago, Top-Hatted One said:

VR wanted to experiment with a newer more modern sound especially once Scott signed up. Had Izzy stuck it out things would’ve turned out differently because those guys make magic. Once Izzy left they wanted to steer clear From sounding like rehashed Rolling Stones/Bad Company. Also VR was competing with Nuguns. 

 

Gilby was done being a solo artist by that time as he came to realize making expensive records and footing the bill for logistically expensive tours to go and play empty bars in front of 10-15 bar dwellers just wasn’t lucrative enough. Gilby certainly would’ve jumped at the opportunity to join VR if asked. 

I think Slash just wanted VR to be successful. So he tried to get Izzy to do it (not very modern sounding) but with a proper lead singer. When that didn't happen, he hired Kushner with his more modern sound. Maybe so it won't sound really dated. (at least Izzy had Gn'R name credibility and reputation)

I also agree with @Blackstar about Gilby: I believe he would have been thrilled to be the rhythm player for VR. But you don't look cool if you say you didn't get the gig cause the band wasn't interested.

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24 minutes ago, Rovim said:

I think Slash just wanted VR to be successful. So he tried to get Izzy to do it (not very modern sounding) but with a proper lead singer. When that didn't happen, he hired Kushner with his more modern sound. Maybe so it won't sound really dated.

I also agree with @Blackstar about Gilby: I believe he would have been thrilled to be the rhythm player for VR. But you don't look cool if you say you didn't get the gig.

They already had Kushner when Izzy was rehearsing with them. They were playing with three guitarists.

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1 minute ago, Blackstar said:

They already had Kushner when Izzy was rehearsing with them. They were playing with three guitarists.

right! he was all scared that Izzy won't leave. I forgot.

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Yea they had Kushner on deck knowing Izzys history.

it was duff who brought Kushner in. Dave replaced Squires when he and Rouse were busy with their band ACS. Just so happened to be that Slash and Scott knew Dave.

Dave was the perfect fit for VR. Truly perfect. 

Matter of fact since we’ll never see Izzy I rather have Dave in gnr over Richard & Gilby. 
 
He’d add some of the creative element  that was lost when Robin Finck bolted. Maybe Axl will be inspired again. He’s been mailing it in ever since Robin left as he clearly had no confirm Richard, frank bumble etc

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7 minutes ago, Top-Hatted One said:

Yea they had Kushner on deck knowing Izzys history.

it was duff who brought Kushner in. Dave replaced. Squires when he and Rouse were busy with their band ACS. Just so happened to be that Slash and Scott knew Dave.

Dave was the perfect fit for VR. Truly perfect. 

Matter of fact since we’ll never see Izzy I rather have Dave I’m gnr over Richard & Gilby. 
 
He’d add some of the creative element  that was lost when Robin Finck bolted. Maybe Axl will be inspired again. He’s been mailing it in ever since Robin left as he clearly had no confirm Richard, frank bumble etc

think about all the unreleased material that Robin probably wrote for Axl though. And I think Richard could turn out to be a nice surprise in the studio with Slash. They can potentially do the same thing that happened with Better, where Richard added a part that completed the song. I don't think he's incapable of composing memorable riffs or tunes and as a player he's just on another level compared to Dave imo. It's not like he wrote tons of shit for VR. (Get Out The Door and what else?)

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19 minutes ago, Rovim said:

think about all the unreleased material that Robin probably wrote for Axl though. And I think Richard could turn out to be a nice surprise in the studio with Slash. They can potentially do the same thing that happened with Better, where Richard added a part that completed the song. I don't think he's incapable of composing memorable riffs or tunes and as a player he's just on another level compared to Dave imo. It's not like he wrote tons of shit for VR. (Get Out The Door and what else?)

Illegal eye,

but more so the little
Izzy-request nuances in his playing that complimented Slash’s playing. Which Slash has referenced .
 

Of the top of my Dave can be heard doing his thing in the left channel on Slither, Superhuman, Illegal  I Song, Headspace, Get out the door, Spectacle, Come on, Come in, Pills demos etc, American Man, She Mine, & She Builds quick machines 

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6 minutes ago, Top-Hatted One said:

Illegal eye,

but more so the little
Izzy-request nuances in his playing that complimented Slash’s playing. Which Slash has referenced .
 

Of the top of my Dave can be heard doing his thing in the left channel on Slither, Superhuman, Illegal  I Song, Headspace, Get out the door, Spectacle, Come on, Come in, Pills demos etc, American Man, She Mine, & She Builds quick machines 

I think Dave is a fine guitar player. But yeah... Illegal Eye and Get Out The Door. Not exactly the cream of the VR crop. As for what he played to compliment Slash's playing, really cool. Blends well while still being different. (and cool guitars)

but Richard can do his thing too. He just needs a chance to do so. He seems very excited to work with Slash and Slash seems to enjoy playing with him. I'm of the opinion that the two of them do share chemistry and some of the same influences as well so it could be an interesting recipe.

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14 minutes ago, soon said:

Why is Matt wearing bowling shoes? Why is Scott on a ladder? What are Slash's hands doing? Why does Kushner look like a bouncer? Why does Duff look like Zoolander?

I have so many questions! :lol:

What are they doing in the basement? ;) Maybe you should ask Matt. Would be interesting to hear his response. :lol:

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On 31. 7. 2020 at 7:32 AM, Rovim said:

I think Slash just wanted VR to be successful. So he tried to get Izzy to do it (not very modern sounding) but with a proper lead singer. When that didn't happen, he hired Kushner with his more modern sound. Maybe so it won't sound really dated. (at least Izzy had Gn'R name credibility and reputation)

I also agree with @Blackstar about Gilby: I believe he would have been thrilled to be the rhythm player for VR. But you don't look cool if you say you didn't get the gig cause the band wasn't interested.

I also think Gilby would jump at the opportunity to be in VR. Isn't it interesting how Slash threw Axl under the bus in regards to Gilby's firing and it was always insinuated it was Axl and Axl alone who didn't think Gilby's got the chops yet nobody seems to want to do much with Gilby. 

Slash didn't include him in the second Snakepit incarnation, they didn't include him in the VR, he wasn't invited to participate in Slash's first solo record despite so many people involved, including the reclusive Izzy. I don't think he was ever considered to be in Loaded or The Conspirators.

I honestly don't think Axl was/is the only one not that impressed with Gilby. He was merely the only one saying it out loud.

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I listened to Gilby's Pawn Shop and Swag albums over the weekend and I gotta say, all that stuff isn't that great. Sounds a bit boring to me, so I can understand he is not that highly regarded as a writer/ band member. He's no Izzy for sure.

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30 minutes ago, El Guapo said:

I listened to Gilby's Pawn Shop and Swag albums over the weekend and I gotta say, all that stuff isn't that great. Sounds a bit boring to me, so I can understand he is not that highly regarded as a writer/ band member. He's no Izzy for sure.

Definitely. I only own Pawnshop Guitars and Dead Flowers is the highlight for me.

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