downzy Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 48 minutes ago, TheSeeker said: Can you IP-ban Fernando so we can see how mad he gets Why would I ban him? Don't you want to ask him a few questions? Maybe even ask them sometime soon? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, downzy said: Why would I ban him? Don't you want to ask him a few questions? Maybe even asking them soon? I'd like to ask him how it feels to be locked out of discussion that involves something he cares deeply about 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FuriousStyles Posted May 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2018 Is Fernando talking 'ish about MYGnR..? 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post beautifulanddamned Posted May 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2018 Just a friendly reminder: 26 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post killuridols Posted May 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, beautifulanddamned said: Just a friendly reminder: That's a guy THAT MATTERS. 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsinindy Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 31 minutes ago, downzy said: Why would I ban him? Don't you want to ask him a few questions? Maybe even ask them sometime soon? There’s no reason to ban Fernando, hell its hard to tell what he was even talking about...or whom. Maybe we all shouldn’t be so paranoid it was about something that someone said here. And honestly, if it was he’s probably right. He’s in a much better position to know the facts about things than some blowhard like me or most of the other posters here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 hour ago, downzy said: And if anyone is wondering, this forum receives 2.5 to 5 million page views a month. Many views? Mind blowing😨 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post killuridols Posted May 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, tsinindy said: There’s no reason to ban Fernando, hell its hard to tell what he was even talking about...or whom. Maybe we all shouldn’t be so paranoid it was about something that someone said here. And honestly, if it was he’s probably right. He’s in a much better position to know the facts about things than some blowhard like me or most of the other posters here. I've been thinking...... it's got to be that Adler thread that got locked Obviously, he knows much more than any of us here, but he is not the owner of the truth. And he doesn't own the thoughts and the minds of other people. Not everybody kisses the ground he steps on, not everybody within his organization would blindly put their hands on fire for him or his family. It is a business and I find it hard to believe that everybody who is part of it, are also 100% "happy", 100% "cool" and 100% aligned to their views. It looks to me that their logic is "Axl and Slash are back together, playing for you, isn't that what you wanted? And you still complain?". For sure, this goal must have been really hard to accomplish and more or less, we are all onboard happy with having them back playing together, but there are still many things unclear, which would be great to have explained or cleared up. For example, what should we expect after the NITL tour? What is their relationship with Izzy? What happened with Steven? Are they planning to ever release new music again? These simple questions (and many more, but these gotta be the most asked), are not being answered by anyone, not the band, not the management, nadie. So... why does he get mad if people especulate? If people talk shit? They leave room for us to talk shit. Not to mention, the bad relationship fans and TB have been dragging over the years, ever since they became managers. Communication is obviously not a strength they could add to their resumes. It is probably the main reason why the band broke up in first place. In the GN'R world, people do not talk or cannot talk or are not allowed to talk. Everything is left unsaid, unexplained, unclear, open to interpretation, misinterpretation, censored, bullied, encrypted in tweets and under rug swept. Instead of blaming fans, after 20 years of operating in the same useless way, they could at least start assuming responsability for their flawed logic. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 6 hours ago, AslatIE said: @killuridols Has he not been on any online forums ever? That is kind of the only thing they exist for 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 3 hours ago, RussTCB said: It's so incredibly ridiculous that the only time they can open a line of communication with the only people who still care about GNR is when they want to present a one sided "woe is me" pity party and act superior. Wildly different viewpoints of GNR and different opinions of what happens is something that has always existed on GNR forums, I wonder what it was that set him off? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RussTCB Posted May 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just now, WhazUp said: Wildly different viewpoints of GNR and different opinions of what happens is something that has always existed on GNR forums, I wonder what it was that set him off? No clue what set him off, but it'd be nice to know. I just wish there were any sort of real communication between the GNR camp and fans of the band. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlingrl03 Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 8 hours ago, Tom-Ass said: Can you post some? I can't figure out how to view them. fcocanalesYou’re my inspiration on drums man! I’m still waiting for you to join GNR again! mattsorum@fcocanales u never know whats around the corner , thats the beauty of it all Great!!!! Hey @mattsorum do you saw the Saskatoon show from 1993??? Was amazing!!! mattsorum@axlvai Great town , drank a very nice french wine there Chateau Latour gian_johnBefore being one of the most great Rock drummer of the world, you gave the most mature and iconic sound to GN'R. You are in almost whole band musical production: 3 albums, 43 studio songs, 20 live songs, 29 clip, a monumental 3-year world tour, all the videos, live (Tokyo, Paris, etc.), media, shows, MTV, VMA, AMA, the Freddie Mercury Tribute, etc.And that's a fact. The choice of not involving you is another enormous and unacceptable lack of respect towards world's fans.Person changes however they remains the same, my friend.I'm a guitar player but I always loved your sound.I hoped to see you finally in Rome with Alice & the others but I will not go if you will be in L.A.Hope to meet you one day. @gian_john Life is unexpected and glorious , Don’t fight the outcome . Ride the Wave . It is yours fcocanalesYou’re my inspiration on drums man! I’m still waiting for you to join GNR again! @fcocanales u never know whats around the corner , thats the beauty of it all 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chunder Monkey Posted May 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 18, 2018 What i find frustrating about those comments is this: If fans are clueless and ignorant about things pertaining to GNR - then whose fault is that? It's ironic that he would refer to thousands of followers of the band as a little community, when in fact the smaller group - and the group that is exclusive, secretive, elusive and secluded in nature is the group of people he is a part of - those who have any real access to GNR or understandings of the band's workings. For most of the bands history, and certainly for the last 20 years, the band has been excessively secretive almost fetishizing privacy and security of information, for no apparent purpose. For a business in the entertainment sphere they have an unhealthy attitude to the media and a mostly dysfunctional relationship with their own fan base. For the large part the band leaves its followers starved of information, hardly does any interviews, rarely gives the media any substantial info, ignores the questions of fans, and generally conducts itself almost as some type of secret cult or gang. So I would say - if people in the band or close to the band find it frustrating that the fan base is ignorant as to the true state of affairs, if they are sick of fans speculating about what's going on, if it bothers them that the forums are full of opinion and lies and not the truth - then perhaps they should do something to disabuse fans of their ignorance. Perhaps they should communicate with the media and fans. Tear down the wall as it were...open up your iron curtain.... It's sad that it's so rare to hear anything from GNR and its management, and it's sadder that when you do - it's often someone asserting their superiority and lauding their knowledge over the group of people that they intentionally keep in the dark. The little community is in fact those who have the privilege of having access to any GNR information, the rest of us are just fans and the people who support your activities, and yet we are wilfully kept ignorant and then insulted for it. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwiguns Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, WhazUp said: Has he not been on any online forums ever? That is kind of the only thing they exist for I think his point is that some fans believe they are part of the band's world and the life's of the band members. I read comments on here that are from fans that believe they know what is in the minds of these people or what motivates the band or individual members to make decisions, that only affect them and them only. It is creepy when you read the comments of some because it crosses the line from being a fan as an outsider looking in, to thinking you are part of whats going on in the band members or their managements minds or thought processes. That's how the stalker mentality develops as you start to believe you are part of a person's life or have some meaning in that life. You can have an opinion but it's from a point of view as a fan.. as we have no idea whats going on in the GNR world. Edited May 18, 2018 by kiwiguns 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, kiwiguns said: I think his point is that some fans believe they are part of the band's world and the life's of the band members. I read comments on here that are from fans that believe they know what is in the minds of these people or what motivates the band or individual members to make decisions, that only affect them and them only. It is creepy when you read the comments of some because it crosses the line from being a fan as an outsider looking in, to thinking you are apart of whats going on in the band members or their managements minds or thought processes. That's how the stalker mentality develops as you start to believe you are apart of a person's life or have some meaning in that life. You can have an opinion but it's from a point of view as a fan.. as we have no idea whats going on in the GNR world. There's a remedy to this - it's called "not treating your fans like the enemy" I have a bad, bad feeling that as soon as this tour is over Axl's going to reform NewGNR with Ashba & Co. and Team Brazil will go right back to shitting all over the past lineups It takes a big man to own up to his mistakes - Axl and Fernando are not big men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Who here believes they are part of thr band's world? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IncitingChaos Posted May 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 18, 2018 Here’s the thing that I think Axl came to understand about the forums. Essentially there are a ton of people coming here who care, but if you aren’t willing or able to share information with these people then stay quiet about it. There are going to be things said that you don’t like and maybe they are unfair to whoever they are directed at. But if there’s not a truth to it that you are willing to share then ignore it. I’d much rather a management group make us the fans feel stupid by action. Maybe some things we ask for are too much, like new music. We get that Fernando can’t just pull new music out of thin air, or bring Izzy back full time or anything outrageous. But what Fernando can do is show he’s on the fans side and send a nice email to YouTube stating that there seems to be some confusion with some recently blocked videos. Uzi suicidal hasn’t existed in two decades and is not affiliated with the Guns N Roses brand. Come back here or msg the mods and say “hey I sent an email about the recent takedown on some of the videos posted. Hope it helps!” If as a manager in the gnr camp you can have some forward positive action going on then the fans will be thrilled! Most people understand your position and you aren’t a magician, but it’s really deflating as a fan to feel like the GNR camp thinks less of their dedicated fans and at times is against them. And yea I see that could go both ways, but we are here. We talk about the band everyday, we buy the merchandise, we go to the shows we don’t expect a whole lot out of you guys. However, you’re the one asking us to buy a $999 box set..so do a better job of selling the brand, and be decent to the “small communities” of gnr fans. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 I cant imagine the manager or spoke person of any important big company talking like that to their customers/clients. Much less through social media. They would be inmediately fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) 48 minutes ago, kiwiguns said: I think his point is that some fans believe they are part of the band's world and the life's of the band members. I read comments on here that are from fans that believe they know what is in the minds of these people or what motivates the band or individual members to make decisions, that only affect them and them only. It is creepy when you read the comments of some because it crosses the line from being a fan as an outsider looking in, to thinking you are apart of whats going on in the band members or their managements minds or thought processes. That's how the stalker mentality develops as you start to believe you are apart of a person's life or have some meaning in that life. You can have an opinion but it's from a point of view as a fan.. as we have no idea whats going on in the GNR world. I get what Fernando was going for, I was mostly making my comment just for comedic effect lol But yeah I mean all in all I guess for me, vague complaints about GNR forums when he could just elaborate or communicate with us in the first place seems silly. Yeah, sometimes posters here go overboard with pretending like their opinion is fact and I always try and point that out - but Fernando sounds like the drama lovers on Facebook who post vague references to being mad at someone, and when someone asks them what happened, they say that they don't wanna talk about it. It is just adding nothing but drama Especially when you are in a manager role for a multi-million dollar institution that everyone on these forums are die hard fans of... it just seems unprofessional Edited May 18, 2018 by WhazUp 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, killuridols said: I cant imagine the manager or spoke person of any important big company talking like that to their customers/clients. Much less through social media. They would be inmediately fired. A friendly reminder that Fernando was the one who leaked the Chinese Democracy demos years ago and almost got kicked out of Axl's house for it It's almost like promoting the guy who caused 10 years worth of headaches for the band to the position of Manager was a bad idea 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom2112 Posted May 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) Personally I think there's a pretty good balance on here - some people are pure hardcore AFD lovers, Some love it all, some just like the CD era and some like whatever it is that is current - fans from every viewpoint... broad snarky tweets, painting an unspecified amount of the fan base as idiots is neither friendly or wise. I have stated before that I have absolutely no idea of the work that Fernando does, but! I just don't think he gets to run the band, in the same way that a seasoned heavyweight manager would... I could be wrong! who knows! The impression given from these comments is that they would much, much prefer MYGNR to go away. They don't see the positive of 3-5million people a day talking about GNR, all they see is that we say negative things sometimes. We call it how we see it basically, and GNR don't like that; that is why they have endorsed other GNR forums instead. A resolution? stop tweeting, come on the forum and clear up some of the misinformation OR release a statement saying "GNR are back on the road through the months of.... Can't wait etc..... Speculation about AFD release is inaccurate, all recordings are from the AFD sessions with no fixes.... we're hoping to work in new music, but the tour is still our focus" A statement like that basically says nothing, yet clears up 90% of the topic discussions, not very hard. They don't HAVE to release statements or keep fans in the loop, BUT if they are going to bitch and moan when we make up our own theories THEN they need to reconsider their approach. Edited May 18, 2018 by Tom2112 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 It's also possible this era is Axl's "Walk of Shame" and he wants to get through the cash-grab tour and album re-releases with as little fanfare as possible Speaking about any of it would involve acknowledging that he wasted 20 years of his life - he'll never admit that 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cineater Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, TheSeeker said: It's also possible this era is Axl's "Walk of Shame" and he wants to get through the cash-grab tour and album re-releases with as little fanfare as possible Speaking about any of it would involve acknowledging that he wasted 20 years of his life - he'll never admit that er, no, all the way around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live Like a Suicide Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 It's funny that they would blame fans for their own communication mistakes. It almost makes me wonder why any of us put ourselves through the abuse of following such an incompetent band and management. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post downzy Posted May 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 18, 2018 44 minutes ago, TheSeeker said: A friendly reminder that Fernando was the one who leaked the Chinese Democracy demos years ago and almost got kicked out of Axl's house for it It's almost like promoting the guy who caused 10 years worth of headaches for the band to the position of Manager was a bad idea I think your post is an example of what Fernando and those within the GNR orbit object to with respect to the forum. It's not a known fact that Fernando leaked CD demos. There's a lot of speculation, but no one can be said with absolute certainty. Hence you're speaking of an assumption as though it were a fact. Look, I don't agree with everything the band and its representatives say and do. But let's call a spade a spade. GNR just accomplished one of the most successful tours in history from a financial standpoint. That's a fact. We can argue back and forward about the artistic merits of the tour, but it's undeniable that the tour was executed largely without issue or calamity. At what point, from a business perspective, do we start giving GNR and its representatives credit for the things they do get right? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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