Do you think Rap will ever die out/fade?

[Guest Satanisk_Slakt]

Seriously though, the reason I like Eminem more than other rappers is because he's more pop than rap. His singles always have that amazing hook that you just can't get out of your head. Other rappers just go on about the ghetto for 5 minutes with no chorus over a basic drum beat. I can't listen to that.

I feel the same.

Edit: I do not believe I've answered the question in the first post.

No, I don't think it will die out. But hopefully in will get less popular so we don't have to hear the gangstas rapping about how they kill people and how many bitches they fuck.

Edited March 27, 2010 by Satanisk_Slakt

[Rick]

Yeah you import em......*heh*heh*

Ok cool.

Eminem speaks to the hood life you're living in sweden.

i got it.

I think this thread could keep going all night.

My favourite part however Sunny, is that your signature is made up of the names of two Eminem tunes. His biggest single & an early freestyle. Isn't coincidence a bitch!

R.

touche'

for the record, it's a line from a tegan and sara song.

And...for the record regarding the topic - I do understand your point of view, I don't necessarily agree with it - but I do understand where you're coming from. Rap is somethng embedded in black culture and Eminem was seen as an inauthentic 'pop version' of rap. This appealed to the world on a broad scale - but probably didn't bode well with the hardcore rap fans. Eminem almost created a new genre in a way, a sub-genre of rap.

R.

[SunnyDRE]

Seriously though, the reason I like Eminem more than other rappers is because he's more pop than rap. His singles always have that amazing hook that you just can't get out of your head. Other rappers just go on about the ghetto for 5 minutes with no chorus over a basic drum beat. I can't listen to that.

I feel the same.

Edit: I do not believe I've answered the question in the first post.

No, I don't think it will die out. But hopefully in will get less popular so we don't have to hear the gangstas rapping about how they kill people and how many bitches they fuck.

that's is not what all rap is about - not even the majority of it.

but yeah, hopefully it will die out so we can hear more rockers whining about girls they just can't seem to get over....

[Death Star]

Seriously though, the reason I like Eminem more than other rappers is because he's more pop than rap. His singles always have that amazing hook that you just can't get out of your head. Other rappers just go on about the ghetto for 5 minutes with no chorus over a basic drum beat. I can't listen to that.

I feel the same.

Edit: I do not believe I've answered the question in the first post.

No, I don't think it will die out. But hopefully in will get less popular so we don't have to hear the gangstas rapping about how they kill people and how many bitches they fuck.

that's is not what all rap is about - not even the majority of it.

but yeah, hopefully it will die out so we can hear more rockers whining about girls they just can't seem to get over....

Exactly. There is more to rap than just "bitches, money and hoes." Go check out MF Doom, Atmosphere, P.O.S., Public Enemy, etc.

[ITW 2012]

I'd say 87-97 was the best time period for rap. Public Enemy, Ice-T, Ice Cube, Eazy E, Dr Dre, MC Ren, N.W.A., Tupac, MC Eiht, Comptons Most Wanted, Souls of Mischief, Big Daddy Kane, EPMD, Too Short, Biggie, Brand Nubian, Outkast, Ghetto Boys, Cypress Hill, The Alkaholiks, Method Man, ODB, RZA, GZA, Wu Tang Clan, Das EFX, Eric B and Rakim, Tribe Called Quest, Naughty By Nature and Snoop Dogg all released their best albums and songs during this period. The mainstream rap of today is what 80's hair metal was in relation to 70's rock.

Edited March 28, 2010 by ITW 2012

[The Sandman]

Yeah you import em......*heh*heh*

Ok cool.

Eminem speaks to the hood life you're living in sweden.

i got it.

I think this thread could keep going all night.

My favourite part however Sunny, is that your signature is made up of the names of two Eminem tunes. His biggest single & an early freestyle. Isn't coincidence a bitch!

R.

touche'

for the record, it's a line from a tegan and sara song.

And...for the record regarding the topic - I do understand your point of view, I don't necessarily agree with it - but I do understand where you're coming from. Rap is somethng embedded in black culture and Eminem was seen as an inauthentic 'pop version' of rap. This appealed to the world on a broad scale - but probably didn't bode well with the hardcore rap fans. Eminem almost created a new genre in a way, a sub-genre of rap.

R.

Or look at Forever by Drake feat. Lil Wayne, Kanye, and Eminem - when Eminem destroys with the last verses...

He's a talented man.

Long live rap!

[Angelica]

This thread needs more Lenny.

Generally speaking, genres don't die out. Commercial dominance does, but a lot of what's released under the rap/hip hop banner these days is as much pop as anything else, and chart wise pop is as close as it gets to bulletproof. I know it's all a matter of taste and you can't really argue with that, but I can't help but assume that the folks who consider Eminem to be the final word on the subject have only exposed themselves to the bare minimum of the genre.

[Young_Gun]

rap and hip hop are not trends.

Do you think Hip Hop/Rap will ever fade or die down in popularity? I don't mean fade away completely--I mean like the way rock has.

Also, when do you think the high point of Hip Hop/Rap (Creatively and Commercially) was?

Personally, I think creatively--with the exception of Eminem--the high point of Rap was around 1985-1998, and commercially it's still at a ''peak'' and has been since around 2002, and that it began gaining mainstream popularity around 1990.

You would think that the high point of rap was a white boy you ignorant fuck.

I may have missed something here(maybe the original post was edited) but why do you call the original poster an "ignorant fuck" Sunny?? Isn't he just stating his opinion. Even if it is a stupid opinion to you, is that enough to get you that angry? Sorry if i missed something before hand but it seems like your being a bit defensive.

[LightningBolt]

ATCQ > Eminem

[moreblack]

It will never die...

[Spoon87]

I'd say 87-97 was the best time period for rap. Public Enemy, Ice-T, Ice Cube, Eazy E, Dr Dre, MC Ren, N.W.A., Tupac, MC Eiht, Comptons Most Wanted, Souls of Mischief, Big Daddy Kane, EPMD, Too Short, Biggie, Brand Nubian, Outkast, Ghetto Boys, Cypress Hill, The Alkaholiks, Method Man, ODB, RZA, GZA, Wu Tang Clan, Das EFX, Eric B and Rakim, Tribe Called Quest, Naughty By Nature and Snoop Dogg all released their best albums and songs during this period. The mainstream rap of today is what 80's hair metal was in relation to 70's rock.

Great post! I totally agree.

[Guest Len B'stard]

Anyone whoose appreciation of music requires racial context is a fucking fool. There is no black america and no white america, there is america and there's black, white, yellow, green and blue people in it. These divides are a product of ink and paper, in a club when a song comes on, it all goes out the window and thats the thing here. Music belongs to everybody, no one gives a shit about that black white crap anymore, this is a new day, the notion that Eminem meant nothing for black america is fucking ridiculous, he meant as much and as little to black america as he did for white. The bottom line is its just music and if people like it they like it, regardless of race.

As for best era of hip hop? I guess its down to your taste, the creative peak was early to mid 80s, late 80s was the consolidation of a commercially viable format and the 90s and beyond was the milking of that format.

Basically thats how every mainstream music trend goes, someone has an idea, the ideas raw, it hits home, it raises eyebrows, the rest of its development is basically working out how large or little a spoonful of sugar is required to make this new medicine right for mass consumption.

Thats how punk got from The Sex Pistols to New Wave to Green Day or how Hip Hop went from Red Alert, The Last Poets, Grandmaster Flash to Diddy, Vanilla Ice & Eminem or how The Blues went from fuckin Charley Patton and Robert Johnson to Cream at The Royal Albert Hall.

No form of music can die out, it doesn't really make sense. In a broad sense, Rap isn't really that different from Rock n Roll now anyway, it has verse and choruses, it has the emphasis on a frontman (or MC) its a repeated rhythm so...y'know, the debates about which is better is just bitchy shit, the fact that a guy uses 3 or 2 fingers to mix discs or 4 fingers and a thumb to hold down and strum strings doesn't really make a lot of difference to the end product, as much as some people want it too. How can music die anyway, its a ridiculous question, what form of music ever died before now? Shit, the Indians got nearly wiped off the face of the planet and you can by Hopi War Dance stuff and Navajo dawn calls in records stores across the country.

Music doesn't die, it evolves, hip hop is just what rock n roll sounds like in the 21st Century, yeah, its a crying shame we couldn't have Elvis forever but thats life. the grass is always greener, the other guys plate always blah blah.

[SunnyDRE]

Anyone whoose appreciation of music requires racial context is a fucking fool. There is no black america and no white america, there is america and there's black, white, yellow, green and blue people in it. These divides are a product of ink and paper, in a club when a song comes on, it all goes out the window and thats the thing here. Music belongs to everybody, no one gives a shit about that black white crap anymore, this is a new day, the notion that Eminem meant nothing for black america is fucking ridiculous, he meant as much and as little to black america as he did for white. The bottom line is its just music and if people like it they like it, regardless of race.

And anyone who doesn't believe that race sometimes is part of the equation, in why people apprecriate things, including music, is ignorant imo.

[Guest Len B'stard]

Anyone whoose appreciation of music requires racial context is a fucking fool. There is no black america and no white america, there is america and there's black, white, yellow, green and blue people in it. These divides are a product of ink and paper, in a club when a song comes on, it all goes out the window and thats the thing here. Music belongs to everybody, no one gives a shit about that black white crap anymore, this is a new day, the notion that Eminem meant nothing for black america is fucking ridiculous, he meant as much and as little to black america as he did for white. The bottom line is its just music and if people like it they like it, regardless of race.

And anyone who doesn't believe that race sometimes is part of the equation, in why people apprecriate things, including music, is ignorant imo.

Its part of the equation sure, all art is a reflection to some degree of the artist that creates it but its not defined by that, art isn't divisive, its useless if it doesn't bring people together in someway, reflecting oneself to ones own is a cocksuck, Hip Hop projected a particular culture to the world for the worlds appreciation, like hey, this is us, join the fun, not hey, this is us, look but don't touch or even more boringly, just reflecting a community back upon itself. This is why your "black america felt this, white america felt that" spiel makes everything such a fucking drag. its intellectualisation of the ugliest kind, music, at its best, is a problem solver, its a bunch of people hoppin and boppin and having a good time to the beat or its a 12 bar blues exorcising bad times, its clearing the way and waving good times in.

Also, its just so fucking insulting? I'm me...that ain't got shit to do with you, him, her or them. The minute you imply some sort of parrallel, based on race, in the way people think an act and use that as a means to make your judgements you're immediately devaluing the people that you're referring too. Like you said black america, well hold the fuck on, that means me and who the fuck are you to speak for me?!?! Where the fuck did i sign my rights over, when the fuck did i suddenly become this fuckin idea in your head to be filed under a heading and processed like that? I'm a human being man, i got two decades of living under my belt, you think you can define me or pluck me out of the millions and tell me, by virtue of the color of my skin, what i feel, how i respond and why i do that? Well excuse me but fuck you, you don't know me, you don't know shit about me and you don't know shit about everybody else on this forum except to know that they're people and they're all different.

If you wanna hide behind your race thats fine but don't drag everyone else along. Music, the arts are the one place that, in the history of mankind has shown some glimmer or being capable of truly bringing people together despite or race, religion, creed, color, all of that shit. Perhaps it would be beneficial for us to attempt to explore THAT side of it, leave your uniform at home and bring your gladrags to the Hop

"i have a dream.."

Edited March 28, 2010 by sugaraylen

[sweetness]

As far as the college culture is concerned I can see rap already dying out, but maybe thats just because me, my class, and the people I associate with are all growing up. The only people I can think of who still give a shit about hip hop are high schoolers who are just getting into the party scene and that crowd of bro losers who wear fitted hats and act all hard about selling weed and shit, lol. I remember when most parties would be blasting Mims, Tpain, TI and other shitty hip hop artists but now everywhere you go its either techno, dubstep, or pop. Rap is turning into kids music it seems

[Guest Len B'stard]

Rap is turning into kids music it seems

Y'know thats the most interesting observation in this thread so far. I can see how that would work too. In fact, it makes perfect sense for rap, especially gangster rap, to operate on that level. I mean, social conscience shit aside, its sort of the celebration of every young boys aspirations, isn't it? Chicks, money, cars, being a tough guy etc.